1. SeanHRCC's Avatar

    You're right that the iPhone is highly customizable (with a jailbreak), but at what price? O.K., if it gets screwed up, you can restore it and try again, but who wants to have to go through that BS. I've been there, and done that, but never again. Now, i can't speak for anybody else's battery life. Androids have a bad reputation in that department, and it's probably justified. I've had my Vivid for only three days, and at the end of each day my battery is at about 40%. An overnight charge, and i'm good to go. I'm not trying to start an argument here, just speaking my personal opinion.
    Again, my point was that the iPhone was highly customizable with a Jailbreak...just like Android phones need to be "rooted" to really get into the meat of the device. Are there more native customization options on the android? Yup! But its also missing things as well...most notably in the hardware department (and battery too but i made that point earlier).

    Either way, if the Android phone does what you like and makes life better for you than an iPhone, i got no problem with that, my wife is actually looking at getting some sort of droid when her renewal time is ready this year (just to try something different).

    Where my qualms are is when someone makes the comment that the iPhone isn't customizable enough...it tells me that they haven't' tried, and just want to complain about something for the sake of complaining.

    As far as "going through" reverting an iPhone when something fouls up while jailbroken...lol...i think we can all agree that the process is much less painless than the downsides of many of the other phones...like Blackberry's battery pulls, Androids constant firmware wars, Windows phones...existance... (lol ). I could go on and on...restoring an iPhone in iTunes is one of the most effortless functions i have ever experienced on a cellular phone in my life when it comes to fixing a problem with software.
    02-12-2012 03:52 PM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    ...(snipped)...YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO JAILBREAK, ROOT YOUR PHONE, TO GET IT TO LOOK LIKE YOU WANT IT TO. End of story!
    'nuf said...


    Just Me, D
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    02-12-2012 04:42 PM
  3. saynt j's Avatar
    +1 the above @ grunt0300
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    02-13-2012 11:23 AM
  4. mbobella's Avatar
    No Steve Jobs had everything to do with their managerial model and project process, therefore, they will continue to replicate his methods.
    02-13-2012 12:37 PM
  5. BryanTheRed's Avatar
    If you're an informed consumer you know these things prior to your purchase, therefore you really have nothing to complain about. While YOU may think iOS needs all those little tweeks, apparently there are MILLIONS of people who don't think so. Apple is the most succesful company on the planet right now, someone who makes those decisions apparently knows something you don't... If you need/want all those customization options then the iPhone probably isn't for you.
    02-15-2012 04:48 AM
  6. StormJH1's Avatar
    Yep, I'm a former BlackBerry user who does occasionally wish for more customization on the device, but for the most part, I side with Apple on this. The entire success of Apple has been based on taking average consumers and making them feel like "techies". There's no way that happens if you allow individual carrier, manufacturers, whatever to craft their own version of an "iPhone", "iPad" or whatever. The devices are VERY accessible for how inherently complex they are, and that's true across the whole operating system.

    That being said, I do think Apple is a little slow to the party to accept some basic change. There was time where people on these forums probably defended the lack of tabbed browsing, multi-tasking, and other features that were only added in OS 4 or 5. And I STILL don't understand why Apple doesn't allow you to do things like turning on/off radios or bluetooth without going through several menus. But as the poster said above, that's the other edge of the sword, and the "stubborn" side has been pretty darn successful!
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    02-15-2012 08:48 AM
  7. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    If you're an informed consumer you know these things prior to your purchase, therefore you really have nothing to complain about. While YOU may think iOS needs all those little tweeks, apparently there are MILLIONS of people who don't think so. Apple is the most succesful company on the planet right now, someone who makes those decisions apparently knows something you don't... If you need/want all those customization options then the iPhone probably isn't for you.
    To say that people who "need/want all those customization options then the iPhone probably isn't for you" is unfair and unjust. There is nothing wrong with a customer wanting a company to add certain things to a product to improve his or her user experience. For example: Having a notification L.E.D will not make the iPhone a Blackberry but it would please a great deal of iPhone users.
    I have an iPhone 4S and I love it and yes, it is for me, however, it is not a perfect device and it does lack things that a certain segment of its users want and that is a fact!

    Just Me, D
    Last edited by JustMe'D; 02-15-2012 at 09:15 AM.
    02-15-2012 09:12 AM
  8. Lenerdosy's Avatar
    No, I doubt very highly that Apple well ever loosen up any time in the near future. Jailbreak will still be needed for customization. Btw, Swype is just one of the many tweaks of a jailbroken iPhone. I am using it now on my 4S to post this reply.


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    Sweet I was wondering if it would eventually come to ios devices.
    02-15-2012 11:01 AM
  9. Lenerdosy's Avatar
    Yep, I'm a former BlackBerry user who does occasionally wish for more customization on the device, but for the most part, I side with Apple on this. The entire success of Apple has been based on taking average consumers and making them feel like "techies". There's no way that happens if you allow individual carrier, manufacturers, whatever to craft their own version of an "iPhone", "iPad" or whatever. The devices are VERY accessible for how inherently complex they are, and that's true across the whole operating system.

    That being said, I do think Apple is a little slow to the party to accept some basic change. There was time where people on these forums probably defended the lack of tabbed browsing, multi-tasking, and other features that were only added in OS 4 or 5. And I STILL don't understand why Apple doesn't allow you to do things like turning on/off radios or bluetooth without going through several menus. But as the poster said above, that's the other edge of the sword, and the "stubborn" side has been pretty darn successful!
    Exactly I dont want to go through 4 menus to get to get bluetooth to toggle on which makes things like sbsettings extremerrly useful.
    02-15-2012 11:17 AM
  10. Totalimmortal363's Avatar
    Some of us don't want our iPhone's to be android phones...
    Damn right! I deal Android crap all day, all the "customization" leads to a garbage customer experience in the end.

    The people that jailbreak are generally the people that can responsibly alter their devices to suit their tastes, the mainstream population isn't ready to do that nor is capable of doing it right. Hence Apple's HUGE success with just three phone models, and Android's need to flood the marketplace with new devices everyday to keep up.
    02-15-2012 11:59 AM
  11. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    You can now use custom wallpapers with the iPhone. Does that make it an Android device? Of course not. The iPhone now has a drop down notification bar. Did that transform it into an Android device? No, it did not. My point is this: there is only one 'pure' iPhone and that is the original one. Customers wanted certain things and got it. Now a great deal of current iPhone users want a larger display and will probably get it. All of the things I've mentioned are customizations that people have wanted and received and those customizations did not interfere with the iPhone's identity. Neither will future customizations, in my opinion.


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    02-15-2012 03:03 PM
  12. ruger141's Avatar
    The only reason I asked is because there are a lot of people who I have seen on other forums who left apple because they were fed up with being in a cage all the time. Personally I like many points about my new phone but at the same time see other areas that are lacking behind the competition and certain things that bug me. I understand that if it was a completely free system that things are not going to run nearly as smooth and thats not what I want. I just think that things are bolted down a little more than they have to be and that it wouldnt kill them to loosen up a hair. Does not having the ability to change your own battery or buy a larger one really make all that much sense, escpecially when there is lots of people who would love to be able to do so? Btw, Blackberry used to make a killing as well and only release phones with small changes each iteration, but now look where that got them. Oh and even if I wanted to return the phone it doesnt make sense for me because the $30 fee that is normally charged is $70 because it an Apple
    02-16-2012 02:31 AM
  13. Timhewitt's Avatar
    Apple is extremely successful with their current model. I do not see them making any significant changes to "keep up" with their competition, since they are killing them where it matters.

    There will always be some people who value features in another product, and that's not a bad thing.

    If you want to "muck around" with your phone, buy an Android. If you want something you can simply use, by an iPhone.
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    02-16-2012 05:00 AM
  14. Eileen89's Avatar
    If you want to "muck around" with your phone, buy an Android. If you want something you can simply use, by an iPhone.
    No need to get an Android when I have the best of both worlds now via jailbreak.


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    02-16-2012 07:55 AM
  15. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You can now use custom wallpapers with the iPhone. Does that make it an Android device? Of course not. The iPhone now has a drop down notification bar. Did that transform it into an Android device? No, it did not. My point is this: there is only one 'pure' iPhone and that is the original one. Customers wanted certain things and got it. Now a great deal of current iPhone users want a larger display and will probably get it. All of the things I've mentioned are customizations that people have wanted and received and those customizations did not interfere with the iPhone's identity. Neither will future customizations, in my opinion.


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    My "android device" comment was in relation to customizing the home screen, which seems to be the popular "need" from so many people...which is also why i made the battery life comments since that goes hand in hand with all those fancy animated graphics people so desperately want on their iPhones. And honestly, i have no problem with your want to have those things...jailbreak your iPhone and put them on their and enjoy your terrible battery life!

    This becomes increasingly frustrating, as it's been asked a thousand times without any REAL answer...but WHAT customizations do you want on the iPhone that you can't do now? And i don't want to hear your sob stories about jail breaking...i want an honest to god answer, what customizations do you want to be able to do that you cannot do right now (native or jailbroken)?

    Put some effort into this before you complain about it folks...honestly, all your customization dreams are a jailbreak away.
    02-16-2012 08:15 AM
  16. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    My "android device" comment was in relation to customizing the home screen, which seems to be the popular "need" from so many people...which is also why i made the battery life comments since that goes hand in hand with all those fancy animated graphics people so desperately want on their iPhones. And honestly, i have no problem with your want to have those things...jailbreak your iPhone and put them on their and enjoy your terrible battery life!

    This becomes increasingly frustrating, as it's been asked a thousand times without any REAL answer...but WHAT customizations do you want on the iPhone that you can't do now? And i don't want to hear your sob stories about jail breaking...i want an honest to god answer, what customizations do you want to be able to do that you cannot do right now (native or jailbroken)?

    Put some effort into this before you complain about it folks...honestly, all your customization dreams are a jailbreak away.
    My previous post was in regard to people fearing that opening the iPhone up to numerous customizations will somehow transform it into an Android device and I stick by my comments. Furthermore for the people who correctly state that Apple outsells the competition, I would argue that brand recognition & image are two of its top selling points and does not necessarily mean that it's users do not want more control of the device's settings.


    Just Me, D
    02-16-2012 09:31 AM
  17. bag of kittens's Avatar
    What can android do that iOS cannot?

    I don't understand.
    02-16-2012 03:35 PM
  18. Eileen89's Avatar
    What can android do that iOS cannot?

    I don't understand.
    For starters: widgets, custom home launchers, quick setting toggles that can be changed from any screen with a swipe of the notification center, LTE, Swype, ability to move icons anywhere on the screen, download apps and more from the desktop browser, changeable keyboard, built in navigation app with turn by turn voice directions, removable storage and battery, flash.... There are more, these were just off the top of my head.


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    02-16-2012 04:24 PM
  19. Alli's Avatar
    What can android do that iOS cannot?

    I don't understand.
    The list is longer if you ask what iOS can do that Android can't. This is why some people choose iOS and some choose Android. You go with the feature list that best fits your needs.
    02-16-2012 09:58 PM
  20. msAdele's Avatar
    I came from Blackberry and then Android so I am not too clued in to the politics with Apple. Do you guys think that Apple's infamous Constraint on things and refusal to allow certain things will change now without Steve? Was he even the main reason Apple is this way? This is basically the only reason I dont like Apple. Things like not being able to change the keyboard or install Swype Keyboard, no widgets, far less customization than other phones etc all are a huge dent to what would otherwise be an awesome phone/iPad what have you? Thoughts?
    I do not think that anything concerning the iPhone's fundamentals will change as a result of Steve Jobs' death. The company has long proven its brand worldwide, and it might cause a stir if they try to create a difference on their new offering. A number of additions will seem helpful, but creating a significant difference might not seem advantageous.
    02-17-2012 12:35 AM
  21. rlicim's Avatar
    No I don't think that they are willing to let the consumers in their web of secrecy and just let them takeover with what they want done on their devices. And even though Jobs is out, I don't think that they would be taking that route anytime soon. They are more of the sophisticated brand which is good for a lot of people, as it is evident with their maker acceptance rating.
    02-17-2012 01:50 AM
  22. busyoranges's Avatar
    Apple will live a while. One shouldn't underestimate that giant. Giant's don't fall easily. There can be better or worse times but there's no point in panic and running around shouting 'we're sinking, oh no we're sinking'.
    02-17-2012 02:40 AM
  23. saynt j's Avatar
    Yes, busyoranges.... we'll leave that to RIM.

    ohhhh, too soon?
    02-17-2012 05:45 PM
  24. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    For starters: widgets, custom home launchers, quick setting toggles that can be changed from any screen with a swipe of the notification center, LTE, Swype, ability to move icons anywhere on the screen, download apps and more from the desktop browser, changeable keyboard, built in navigation app with turn by turn voice directions, removable storage and battery, flash.... There are more, these were just off the top of my head.


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    Holy irrelevant points batman!

    We were talking customization and you go off about that stuff? This is why it is so pointless to debate this with some of you...CUSTOMIZATIONS! With the exception of the physical additions you listed (and LTE) i can do ALL of those things for free on the iPhone, including turn by turn voice directed navi.
    02-17-2012 08:44 PM
  25. Eileen89's Avatar
    Holy irrelevant points batman!

    We were talking customization and you go off about that stuff? This is why it is so pointless to debate this with some of you...CUSTOMIZATIONS! With the exception of the physical additions you listed (and LTE) i can do ALL of those things for free on the iPhone, including turn by turn voice directed navi.


    Holy non comprehension skills batman! Did you even READ the post that I was replying to here before going off on a tangent? I thought not. OK, let me refresh your memory a little.

    What can android do that iOS cannot?

    I don't understand.
    Where in THIS POST is the word "CUSTOMIZATIONS"? Well guess what, it's NOT there. That poster was talking about stock iOS, and no, you CAN'T do all of those things with stock iOS UNLESS you jailbreak. For starters you can't do turn by turn voice directed navi as you claim to here because the stock maps app isn't capable of that. As a matter of fact you can't do ANY of the non physical things that I mentioned with stock iOS.
    02-17-2012 09:36 PM
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