1. milanika's Avatar
    I hate when code doesn`t works!
    09-10-2010 09:37 AM
  2. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I'm really starting to hate summer...
    09-10-2010 10:05 AM
  3. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    Anyone here can tell you that I am not a big fan of AT&T business practices. However, in fairness, AT&T has to pay the "roaming" carrier to provide service to their, AT&T's, customer, namely you. Some carriers are better at negotiating roaming agreements than others.
    Sorry, I see you've been brainwashed by the cell companies. It costs the exact same amount of money to modulate a carrier frequency in Canada as it does in the US. These fees are bogus and completely misleading and bordering on absolute fraud on the consumer. It costs the same amount of money to send a radio broadcast on a frequency-modulated carrier wave in Canada as it does in the US, and it costs the same amount of money to demodulate that carrier frequency to listen to that FM radio station.
    09-10-2010 12:04 PM
  4. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    Let me expound upon this:

    Two people.
    Sitting side by side.
    Both using iPhone 4 handsets.
    Both downloading 190 megs of data.
    Both on the same frequency.
    One user has a Canadian billing address.
    One user has a US billing address.
    One user gets RAPED with a $3000 bill because he/she has a US billing address.

    Same phone, same tower, same frequency, same GSM system, same handset, same amount of data...

    See where I'm going with this?
    09-10-2010 12:17 PM
  5. GlennEU's Avatar
    I'm a podcast addict and i hate it that i can't wirelessly sync all my podcasts to my iPod app on my iPhone & iPad.
    Just a little thing
    09-10-2010 01:23 PM
  6. BLiNK's Avatar
    Let me expound upon this:

    Two people.
    Sitting side by side.
    Both using iPhone 4 handsets.
    Both downloading 190 megs of data.
    Both on the same frequency.
    One user has a Canadian billing address.
    One user has a US billing address.
    One user gets RAPED with a $3000 bill because he/she has a US billing address.

    Same phone, same tower, same frequency, same GSM system, same handset, same amount of data...

    See where I'm going with this?
    yeah, someone's gettin' bent over
    09-10-2010 07:50 PM
  7. whmurray's Avatar
    yeah, someone's gettin' bent over
    Really? One is native, one is roaming. Move the two south of the border and the charges would reverse.

    That said, I would like to see the GSM carriers negotiate more competitive agreements. The network is really pretty flat; it does not cost Rogers a lot more to service an AT&T customer than one of its own. Moreover, there is little motive for Rogers to discourage AT&T users roaming on its network. Indeed, a lot of AT&T users are AT&T users in part to be GSM users, to be able to use their phones any place in the World, something that CDMA users cannot do and that Verizon cannot offer them. To attract people by providing the capability and then pricing such that no one dare use it, is self-defeating. If one cannot afford to use one's GSM phone, then one might as well be a CDMA user. not value to somehing that one dare not use.
    09-17-2010 04:44 PM
  8. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    There is no such thing as roaming!! Guys, get it through your heads that it's something carriers charge because they CAN, not because they NEED to. Roaming boils down to your billing address and nothing more.
    09-18-2010 06:27 AM
  9. whmurray's Avatar
    There is no such thing as roaming!! Guys, get it through your heads that it's something carriers charge because they CAN, not because they NEED to. Roaming boils down to your billing address and nothing more.
    Perhaps. Nonetheless, the carriers spend a lot of money measuring where there load is coming from, that is from whose users, and exchanging money over it

    Rogers has to expend more capital per user to provide the same coverage and capacity in their franchise than does AT&T. Moreover, they provide more service to AT&T customers than AT&T does to Rogers's customers. They are entitled to net revenue from AT&T for doing that. Thus, it costs AT&T more to provide service to their customers when they are in Canada.

    You are correct that AT&T could choose to spread that extra cost evenly over all it's customers; it probably would not change the average bill by a dollar a month. The issue would be much more complicated when one includes India where costs are much higher.

    I come down very much more on your side when we talk about domestic, rather than international, roaming. While AT&T publishes a map that shows where they do and do not provide service, they make a choice. Usually they do that based upon whether it is more profitable to cover by building or by buying. They should not penalize their customers for such a choice. They should not decide not to build and then charge their customer extra because of that decision.

    The difference is that AT&T does not have the choice to build in Canada or India while it's customer does have the choice to use and how much in those countries.
    09-18-2010 01:21 PM
  10. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    Sorry, but 190 megs of data is not a "load." Hypothetically, there could 500 people downloading 190 megs of data who live there, and one person from another country downloading 190 megs of data. Now where's the load coming from? The 500 people or the one?

    Like I said, it boils down to the billing address and nothing more. It costs the same amount of money to modulate a carrier frequency no matter where your billing address is.
    09-18-2010 04:00 PM
  11. whmurray's Avatar
    Sorry, but 190 megs of data is not a "load." Hypothetically, there could 500 people downloading 190 megs of data who live there, and one person from another country downloading 190 megs of data. Now where's the load coming from? The 500 people or the one?

    Like I said, it boils down to the billing address and nothing more. It costs the same amount of money to modulate a carrier frequency no matter where your billing address is.
    OK, I give up. You win.
    09-18-2010 08:16 PM
  12. aestival's Avatar
    Sorry, but 190 megs of data is not a "load." Hypothetically, there could 500 people downloading 190 megs of data who live there, and one person from another country downloading 190 megs of data. Now where's the load coming from? The 500 people or the one?

    Like I said, it boils down to the billing address and nothing more. It costs the same amount of money to modulate a carrier frequency no matter where your billing address is.
    Well said: since the base charges are all highway robbery to begin with, roaming is just another excuse to extract another pound of flesh. The carriers have extensive interactions and I suspect the cross-billing is virtually free for them. The only issues are ones of local capacity, but aside from major tourist destinations, that's never a real issue.
    09-18-2010 10:28 PM
  13. emmy2phones's Avatar
    Its got to be people who keep dogs in handbags, I mean what's the point!
    09-27-2010 05:50 AM
  14. BLiNK's Avatar
    running out of propane in the middle of a BBQ
    10-14-2010 05:39 PM
  15. Hack-My-i's Avatar
    ...when my girl talks to me about my attitude for 2 hours on the phone... jeeeeez us!
    10-14-2010 06:11 PM
  16. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    I hate liberal ****** bags who automatically assume that all conservative right wing people are racists. So what do you call a black person who is a conservative or an actual elected Republican? Uncle Tom?
    10-15-2010 08:50 AM
  17. BLiNK's Avatar
    I hate liberal ****** bags who automatically assume that all conservative right wing people are racists. So what do you call a black person who is a conservative or an actual elected Republican? Uncle Tom?
    Oh Snap!
    10-15-2010 05:38 PM
  18. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    The reason I say that is because I know quite a few black people who are conservative and HATE Obama. They are called Uncle Toms by their fellow blacks. And to think that whitey is the racist one, right?
    10-15-2010 07:27 PM
  19. BLiNK's Avatar
    Andy Irons early exit... RIP
    11-04-2010 01:41 AM
  20. ChrisGonzales90's Avatar
    When the government sticks their big fat noses in to peoples business. Like peoples eating habits. Now I agree people should eat more healthy, but come on, if John Doe wants to have an unhealthy life style, its HIS problem. Not the governments.

    Oh and I also hate posers, and stupid people.
    11-04-2010 02:12 AM
  21. BLiNK's Avatar
    people who post ads on craigslist but never reply to emails..

    i mean, if it's sold then delete your listing or reply back with a simple "sorry, it's sold"

    FFS!!
    11-10-2010 02:34 PM
  22. MobileMania's Avatar
    i hate it when other people can't seem to understand that rules are rules. green is for go and red is for stop.
    11-12-2010 04:44 AM
  23. BLiNK's Avatar
    Mark McGrath. not sure if anyone here watches 'Don't Forget the Lyrics' ... didn't realize how much of a ****** he was until recently

    bring back Wayne Brady!!
    11-12-2010 10:08 PM
  24. BLiNK's Avatar
    Yoko Ono and the fact that she thinks she can sing. sounds like 2 water buffaloes mating
    11-15-2010 07:39 PM
  25. az19's Avatar
    when i have to repeat myself.
    11-16-2010 09:50 PM
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