1. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I have a 2017 MacBook Pro. In addition, I use an iPhone X as my daily driver. It struck me one day that the MacBook Pro still has a traditional audio port whereas the iPhone does not. Why do you think that is? For what reason would Apple prefer we go wireless with the iPhone, but not the MacBook Pro?
    04-21-2018 11:47 AM
  2. mogelijk's Avatar
    It is because of the difference in size. Basically, to keep the iPhone as small as it is but still add all the features, they chose to eliminate the headphone jack. As I understand things, at least with the X, they could have made the phone larger, which would have added larger bezels, or "shrunk" the battery. Shrunk is in quotes because it is likely it would have just caused the removal of one of the two batteries in the iPhone.

    On the iPhone 7, it was caused by adding the taptic feedback engine; they couldn't add the taptic engine and keep the headphone jack without increasing the size of the 7 over the 6s, or putting in a much smaller battery.

    Of course, with a MacBook, the space the headphone jack takes up is not an issue.
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    04-21-2018 03:04 PM
  3. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    It is because of the difference in size. Basically, to keep the iPhone as small as it is but still add all the features, they chose to eliminate the headphone jack. As I understand things, at least with the X, they could have made the phone larger, which would have added larger bezels, or "shrunk" the battery. Shrunk is in quotes because it is likely it would have just caused the removal of one of the two batteries in the iPhone.

    On the iPhone 7, it was caused by adding the taptic feedback engine; they couldn't add the taptic engine and keep the headphone jack without increasing the size of the 7 over the 6s, or putting in a much smaller battery.

    Of course, with a MacBook, the space the headphone jack takes up is not an issue.
    Excellent explanation, and I appreciate you sharing it. Thank you!
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    04-21-2018 03:06 PM
  4. donnation's Avatar
    It is because of the difference in size. Basically, to keep the iPhone as small as it is but still add all the features, they chose to eliminate the headphone jack. As I understand things, at least with the X, they could have made the phone larger, which would have added larger bezels, or "shrunk" the battery. Shrunk is in quotes because it is likely it would have just caused the removal of one of the two batteries in the iPhone.

    On the iPhone 7, it was caused by adding the taptic feedback engine; they couldn't add the taptic engine and keep the headphone jack without increasing the size of the 7 over the 6s, or putting in a much smaller battery.

    Of course, with a MacBook, the space the headphone jack takes up is not an issue.
    Sorry that’s incorrect. The iPhone has room to add the headphone jack. It’s been proven and it’s even been added to it without changing the size of it at all. The reason was simple. Apple wants people using the iPhone with its wireless headphones plain and simple.
    04-22-2018 02:33 PM
  5. mogelijk's Avatar
    Sorry that’s incorrect. The iPhone has room to add the headphone jack. It’s been proven and it’s even been added to it without changing the size of it at all. The reason was simple. Apple wants people using the iPhone with its wireless headphones plain and simple.
    I don't believe it has been "proven." I've seem some people claim that, and even some YouTuber (as you mention) adding a headphone jack -- though my recollection is that he had to remove a feature from the phone to get it to work (my recollection is one of the camera "sensors", maybe the laser focusing but it has been quite a while). I also seem to recall he did it in a Plus model and not the regular sized phone; and Apple is not likely to put a headphone jack in the Plus (if it would fit) and not in the regular phone where it wouldn't.

    OTOH, iFixIt noted that the taptic feedback (and that may be what he removed, and replaced with a less powerful engine) is what took the place of the headphone jack.
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    04-22-2018 05:47 PM
  6. donnation's Avatar
    I don't believe it has been "proven." I've seem some people claim that, and even some YouTuber (as you mention) adding a headphone jack -- though my recollection is that he had to remove a feature from the phone to get it to work (my recollection is one of the camera "sensors", maybe the laser focusing but it has been quite a while). I also seem to recall he did it in a Plus model and not the regular sized phone; and Apple is not likely to put a headphone jack in the Plus (if it would fit) and not in the regular phone where it wouldn't.

    OTOH, iFixIt noted that the taptic feedback (and that may be what he removed, and replaced with a less powerful engine) is what took the place of the headphone jack.
    Dude, come on. Do you honestly believe that "courage" is the reason that Apple ditched the headphone jack? It has everything to to with dollars and trying to move people to their wireless headphones or AirPods (which I happen to love). Let's not play fools here and pretend that Apple couldn't squeeze a headphone jack into the body of the iPhone 7 and 8. Its nearly identical to the 6 and 6S which both have a headphone jack. There is no way they couldn't do it, they just chose not to do it because they are moving to a wireless world and want to try and move as many customers as they can to one of their wireless options. Its as simple as that.
    04-22-2018 08:53 PM
  7. mogelijk's Avatar
    Dude, come on. Do you honestly believe that "courage" is the reason that Apple ditched the headphone jack? It has everything to to with dollars and trying to move people to their wireless headphones or AirPods (which I happen to love). Let's not play fools here and pretend that Apple couldn't squeeze a headphone jack into the body of the iPhone 7 and 8. Its nearly identical to the 6 and 6S which both have a headphone jack. There is no way they couldn't do it, they just chose not to do it because they are moving to a wireless world and want to try and move as many customers as they can to one of their wireless options. Its as simple as that.
    Again, one of the big new "differences" between the iPhone 6s and 7 was the new taptic engine -- and if you look again at the iFixit teardown, they show it is where the headphone jack was previously. I won't say it was impossible for Apple to move the headphone jake and keep the form factor of the 6S but it would have been very difficult.

    And while I don't think it was "courage," I don't buy into the conspiracy theory. If Apple really wanted to push people to AirPods or Bluetooth Beats then they would have also removed the headphone jacks from the iPad and MacBooks -- they also wouldn't be shipping the phones with a free dongle and EarPods.
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    04-23-2018 09:17 AM
  8. anony_mouse's Avatar
    It's a shame they didn't just make the iPhone bigger and keep the headphone socket.
    04-23-2018 09:37 AM
  9. lusid1's Avatar
    I'm still really annoyed by that change. It is a constant aggravation and it added a few hundred dollars to the cost of the phone.
    04-24-2018 01:47 AM
  10. donnation's Avatar
    Again, one of the big new "differences" between the iPhone 6s and 7 was the new taptic engine -- and if you look again at the iFixit teardown, they show it is where the headphone jack was previously. I won't say it was impossible for Apple to move the headphone jake and keep the form factor of the 6S but it would have been very difficult.

    And while I don't think it was "courage," I don't buy into the conspiracy theory. If Apple really wanted to push people to AirPods or Bluetooth Beats then they would have also removed the headphone jacks from the iPad and MacBooks -- they also wouldn't be shipping the phones with a free dongle and EarPods.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't remove the headphone jack from iPads and MacBooks. They probably won't because the difference there is that people aren't working out with their MacBooks and are generally seated when using them.

    If they are going to get rid of them, I think the iPad would be first, and wouldn't be surprised if that happened within the next year. MacBooks I doubt would happen as there would be too much of an uproar over that.

    I just believe it was a conscience decision because Apple wants to move people to wireless whether they like it or not. Personally, I don't care as I actually only use wireless headphones and AirPods, both of which I love. I could see why some people would be upset over the loss of it though.
    04-24-2018 04:53 AM
  11. msm0511's Avatar
    I remember reading an article where an Apple exec explained why the MBP still has a 3.5 port (can't remember which exec). He mentioned it was because people use MBP, iMacs, etc. with professional audio equipment such as microphones to record podcasts, for live events, etc. They left the port for those people.


    Edit: Found the quote:
    Phil Schiller: "Not at all. These are pro machines. If it was just about headphones then it doesn’t need to be there, we believe that wireless is a great solution for headphones. But many users have setups with studio monitors, amps, and other pro audio gear that do not have wireless solutions and need the 3.5mm jack."
    Last edited by msm0511; 04-25-2018 at 06:54 AM. Reason: more info
    04-25-2018 06:51 AM

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