1. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    You stated that the "newest" MacBook Pro devices have already been significantly dropped in price by some sellers? Please display a few links backing that up. As for my assumption, it is not terrible, but hey, if you see it that way, so be it. Enjoy the rest of your weekend...��
    It was up with pretty nice discounts immediately after launch at several retailers. It was all over the tech press.

    I'm not in the mood (and don't have the time) to scour for links right now. I have no reason to lie about this. It's a trivial matter, to be frank.
    10-30-2016 09:59 PM
  2. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Did you know that Apple hasn't raised the price of the MacBook Pro since it's induction by Steve Jobs in '06? Did you also notice that only when you can't afford to buy something is it overpriced? Please haters go buy all the $300 dollar Windows laptops your heart desires, it will just make the line at The Apple Store that much shorter for when I go to pick up my new 15" MBP ...
    I can get whatever computer I want, whenever I want. It's not about not being able to afford something. Even people with money to burn want to extract what they perceive as justifiable value out of those dollars.

    If you think this is an issue of not being able to afford something, you're off your rocker. The MacBook Pro and macOS isn't better enough than a Surface Book and Windows 10 to justify paying a $300+ premium right out of the gate for a less flexible machine simply because they added an OLED bar and the company selling them is named "Apple."

    For people locked into Apple's ecosystem, this is a shame, because it means they will have no choice but to pay the prices. If you're using FCPX and LPX you won't be able to switch off to a comparable (and cheaper) Windows machine without overrunning the savings in Software licensing fees.

    Check Mate.

    Personally, I think they're just trying extract revenue out of their PCs to make up for some of the falling revenues in other areas of their business (like iPads and iPhones). This is the only other area where they can reliably do this. I actually think Apple's PC users are more fiercely devoted than their smartphone users; and in many cases, definitely more invested.
    10-30-2016 10:01 PM
  3. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    The prices don't surprise me anymore. It's expensive? Yes it is. And it will be always expensive. Maybe apple find that the prices are fair for the product they are selling or maybe they know that apple is a major company and although the price they gonna sell it. Steve Jobs once have said they don't make cheap so... yeah.
    Expensive is okay if you're getting your money's worth.

    Clearly that is a subjective matter, but the distinction is worth making.

    I'm okay paying more for a BMW than a Corolla, for that very reason. No one complains that their BMW is too expensive, because they feel like they are getting the value for the dollar spent, and it goes beyond "brand recognition" (otherwise Tesla would never have sold any cars, cause they'd have failed instantly due to being an upstart). If Toyota upped the price on the Corolla by 15% and added nothing but a sunroof, then people would look at it the same way they're looking at the new MacBook pricing.
    10-30-2016 10:05 PM
  4. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Did you quote the wrong post? I'm with you. I'm so angry about the prices of these devices.

    Apple is making laptops a luxury, which is criminal in a generation still falling in the realm of Moore's Law.
    Honestly, both Apple and Microsoft are doing this. Microsoft also discontinued it's Surface 3 to sell more Pro and Book SKUs.

    Other manufacturers are starting to discover that "Metal + High Prices" = premium to a lot of people... Thanks to none other than Apple.
    10-30-2016 10:10 PM
  5. bigrobstunner's Avatar
    Apple said so..
    10-30-2016 10:58 PM
  6. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    It's not about not being able to afford something.
    Obviously with you it is or you wouldn't be ranting about how much Apple sells their laptops for ...
    10-31-2016 12:51 AM
  7. Matty's Avatar
    This is Apple doing the equivalent of the 16Gb iPhone again - sure there is a cheaper model but we know you'll hate yourself for buying it because as well as not having the touch bar, we've put in slower RAM, a much slower CPU and a worse graphics set. I don't see anything lucky about this for buyers! It's the classic Apple upsell with bells on!
    LOL, ah this made me laugh.

    'but we know you'll hate yourself for buying it'

    Its so true! ^_^ Spending all that money and then you don't even get the thing that new. Apple will always be Apple.
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    10-31-2016 03:06 AM
  8. vimagreg's Avatar
    Apple puts its price on a stratospheric high bar because people buy it. Simple like that! Company doesn't care about massive sales, it do care about massive profits on low volume units. That's Apple way of life.

    Look, in this single thread there are passionate people defending until death Apple's right to put obscene high prices on this products. So, why change? Why make cheaper computers, iPhones and iPads? I know two guys who hates iPhone SE because it is a "cheaper" iPhone. Well, I don't know in your countries, but in mine you simply can't put "cheap" and "iPhone" on the same sentence. Never! Even SE is much more pricey than, say, a Galaxy S7 Edge, here. But that people doesn't like it because it isn't that expensive as a regular iPhone 7.

    So that's it. People are very strange animals who likes to pay more just to show they can. Because of it Apple puts high prices on its products. Because is about this type of client they do care, not about us who complain about their prices and do months of cut-spending just to change iPhone once in 4-5 years...

    Cheers,
    10-31-2016 04:32 AM
  9. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Obviously with you it is or you wouldn't be ranting about how much Apple sells their laptops for ...
    Well, you would say that when you snip one part of a post out to set of a ridiculous ad hominem. Nice try?
    Breuklen likes this.
    10-31-2016 09:00 AM
  10. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    Well, you would say that when you snip one part of a post out to set of a ridiculous ad hominem. Nice try?
    Who's trying what?... You're the one trying be a baller with no dollars ...
    Apple makes something you want, and you don't have the money to buy one, so the only thing left for you to do is come on here and complain about how unfair, and overpriced Apple is. People who can afford Apple products have no problem with Apples pricing that's why their stores are jam packed from open to close, 7 days a week, and Apple is one of if not the largest corp in the world ...
    10-31-2016 09:19 AM
  11. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    The ad hominem.

    You're fanning so hard that you're making it personal. You're trying to troll me. That's what I meant.

    I'm not sure if I'm a baller, but I certainly not lacking dollars.
    10-31-2016 12:39 PM
  12. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    [WARN]Please keep the conversation respectful. There's nothing wrong with a debate but insults will not be tolerated. Thanks.[/WARN]
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    10-31-2016 01:14 PM
  13. Breuklen's Avatar
    The ad hominem.

    You're fanning so hard that you're making it personal. You're trying to troll me. That's what I meant.

    I'm not sure if I'm a baller, but I certainly not lacking dollars.
    I don't understand why people don't realize it's about the price matching the product and most importantly, the customer's needs. I have a relatively new MBA, so there's no way to justify getting this new, over-priced machine. The first MBA in our home was an extravagant, impulse buy that won't be repeated.

    It's these same wannabe ballers that are drowning in debt, ducking bill collectors, yet carrying around the latest smartphones, portables and wolfin' down $25+ salads.*

    * Yes, I'm a cranky old man that pines for the old days of responsible spending & getting your money's worth at the same time
    10-31-2016 05:14 PM
  14. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I've learned long ago that what doesn't make sense to some people makes perfect sense to others......Apple is a company that has positioned itself as a company that makes premium products and outstanding customer service. With that in mind, premium doesn't necessarily equate to better because better is subjective to the individual. It's the same with justification. Some people can't justify paying the price of a MacBook Pro when they can get a better spec'd Windows laptop. On the other hand, some people can justify getting the MacBook in lieu of the Windows laptop and it has nothing to do with Apple loyalty. Some people simply "prefer" the MacBook to the Windows laptop. Yes, it's really that simple for some people. Too many people spend too much time trying to find justification for what someone else chooses to purchase in comparison to what they'd purchase, and the simplest of reasons, preference and satisfaction, are often too difficult for them to accept. What doesn't make sense to some makes perfect sense to others.
    10-31-2016 07:46 PM
  15. vimagreg's Avatar
    I've learned long ago that what doesn't make sense to some people makes perfect sense to others......Apple is a company that has positioned itself as a company that makes premium products and outstanding customer service. With that in mind, premium doesn't necessarily equate to better because better is subjective to the individual. It's the same with justification. Some people can't justify paying the price of a MacBook Pro when they can get a better spec'd Windows laptop. On the other hand, some people can justify getting the MacBook in lieu of the Windows laptop and it has nothing to do with Apple loyalty. Some people simply "prefer" the MacBook to the Windows laptop. Yes, it's really that simple for some people. Too many people spend too much time trying to find justification for what someone else chooses to purchase in comparison to what they'd purchase, and the simplest of reasons, preference and satisfaction, are often too difficult for them to accept. What doesn't make sense to some makes perfect sense to others.
    Perfect! It is just that! In fact I do prefer Mac over Windows, simple like that. And don't have to justify it for anybody. When I decide to buy a new MacBook I'll do it. And that's all!

    Again: perfect post!

    Cheers,
    Just_Me_D likes this.
    11-01-2016 08:55 AM
  16. Premium1's Avatar
    the price has gone up so much why is this
    "Courage" that is why 😂
    11-01-2016 08:32 PM
  17. wkelly24's Avatar
    Agree that R&D and 'new' technology will drive the cost up. Hopefully, the parts will become cheeper and the price will drop over the next year.
    11-04-2016 06:59 AM
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