1. wolfedude88's Avatar
    While the MacBook Pro is an incredibly well built machine that in itself's wouldn't cost that much. Apple marks the price up because frankly they can. People will buy them regardless just on name alone.

    I myself fell in love with a Mac when I was in IT at Amazon and after that wanted one for myself.

    Are they too expensive? Probably and most don't need one and probably shouldn't buy one.

    I still think windows 7 is a great platform and i would recommend it to most people. Honesty I think it is an easier OS for people that are tech savvy or at least with ones that have used windows before.

    My wife absolutely hates my MacBook because of the OS and probably the price, hehe. Also she uses a windows 7 laptop at work.

    I myself love most things about my MacBook Pro and mountain lion.
    05-07-2013 08:27 AM
  2. Fausty82's Avatar
    These are my exact sentiments.....never really understood why MBP were really pricy......mac users...enlighten me on this.
    The MacBook Pro with Retina display is simply a beautiful machine. Why do some folks buy a $15,000 Chevy and others buy a $70,000 Audi or Mercedes? Because in some people's minds, the Audi or Mercedes is better built and a more quality product. The same thing applies to Apple's products.

    The MacBook Pro is made of quality, high end parts... and if one were to build a Windows laptop using the same quality parts (as opposed to some of the brands who use cheaper, often less reliable parts), there would be a smaller price difference between the products.

    One of the major downfalls of the Windows platform, IMHO, is the plethora of components that can go into a Windows computer. Microsoft must integrate drivers for all of the various components into the OS and ensure that there are no inherent conflicts, problems, etc. With OS X, Apple uses a standard set of quality parts from high end manufacturers, so they only have a subset of products and drivers to support. With Windows, the end user (you) are left to find, install and configure drivers for the various hardware components. With OSX, Apple builds those drivers into the system, and for the most part, just makes it all work for the end user.

    Also, IMHO, the MBP will last longer than a Windows machine. Perhaps it’s the quality components, perhaps it’s something else, but I know of and have heard of people still using fully functional, completely usable Mac computers that are 5, 6, 7 or more years old. Typically, the components in a Windows machine outlive their tech life long before that... so an investment of $1000 or $1500 will get you a usable machine for a longer period of time than a $600 or $700 Windows machine... don’t even think about the sub $500 Windows computers...

    To quote Arthur C Clarke here, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

    IMHO, the Apple product line is magical.
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    05-07-2013 09:50 AM
  3. natasftw's Avatar
    The battery life is what impacted my decision. I'm on campus over 12 hours some days and can't always guarantee outlet access. My handwriting is atrocious, so note taking is virtually a waste of time. I'm better served just listening and hoping I absorb the information. With a laptop, I can type faster than I can write anyway so one that'll last the day is a huge help.

    Most of my courses have some PC usage required. This made it a bit more difficult to consider the MBP as I'd need the Windows solution regardless. Fortunately, most of the work in the Windows environment can be done at home, where I know I'll have the outlet.

    As it's been stated, unless you're doing heavy graphical editing, the two machines are virtually identical. If you are, you should be looking at the Retina models regardless.

    I've only really seen two differences with the MBP. I run both Windows and Mac on the MBP through a mixture of Boot Camp and Parallels. The battery life is only greater when running as a Mac. When using Windows, I experience the same shorter life that is associated with PC laptops. The difference is clearly built into the OS somewhere. The second is graphical abilities for gaming. I rarely play games, but they run much smoother on the Windows side than they do on the Mac side. It's an easy reboot to solve the once or twice a year I care for this, but it's something to look into if that's your style of computing.

    I've had this MBP for just about 3 years now. It's still running solid. This is about when I'd cycle a PC, typically. This was my first Apple product.

    Really, if I could guarantee the outlet, I most likely would have remained with the PC laptop.
    05-07-2013 01:38 PM
  4. Massie's Avatar
    Love my mbp for reasons others listed above: build, ecosystem, ease of use and reliability. It's especially nice as OS X and iOS overlap more and moreiMessage, PhotoStream to iPhoto, Notification Center, etc make the mobile/desktop divide ever smaller.

    Got mine via Apple's refurbished store to save a few $$ (you get the same warranty) and will look there again when the day comes.
    05-07-2013 03:14 PM
  5. Jaguarr40's Avatar
    They haven't had a regular macbook (non-pro) since 2009 i believe.

    Keep in mind that the non-retina MBP's can have both HDD and SSD in them at the same time...it's a nice option for the 2011-2012 MBP models.
    Right on both points about 2009 I found out and also was told that the HDD and SSD option is available. I could live with the 512GB SSD.

    I am just taking my time and it will come to me what I want and which direction. More than likely a stock build will suit my needs.
    05-08-2013 03:09 PM
  6. Jaguarr40's Avatar
    The part that makes them pricey is the build. They are put together better than almost any other laptop you can find. Beyond that...it's name brand. I still prefer Windows 7 to Mountain Lion.
    Can you send me you Mac then, Will email you my mailing address...lol I actually love my desktop PC with Windows 7 that I had custom built by Velocity Micro 2 years ago and never a problem.
    05-08-2013 03:12 PM
  7. Jaguarr40's Avatar
    Another thing to consider in the price of Macs is advertising. They (Apple) play a huge role in Product placement on TV shows that you cannot turn on a reality TV show or even regular show and not see iMacs, iPhone, MacBooks and everything Apple. The shows want them, Apple pays big bucks for the shows to use them and it all gets subliminal messages to the consumer watching them that I have to have an Apple product.
    This has to play a big role in pricing.
    05-08-2013 03:20 PM
  8. phoneguru9's Avatar
    The part that makes them pricey is the build. They are put together better than almost any other laptop you can find. Beyond that...it's name brand. I still prefer Windows 7 to Mountain Lion.
    When you say build do you mean hardware.....as in apple spent a good number of hours putting together the best of the best in their macbooks........
    06-08-2013 07:06 AM
  9. Nophix's Avatar
    I'm looking at the MBP myself, and honestly it doesn't surprise me the build quality is there. Apple knows how to build a product.

    I'm going for the non retina. It's cheaper and slightly upgradable. My laptop gets tossed in a backpack on my bike and thrown in my car all the time. I typically use Lenovo stuff which takes a beating like nobody else.

    To be honest, I looked at Windows machines first. I'm familiar with the Ecosystem. However, their latest moves have given me the bump I needed to walk away.

    Windows 8 broke compatibility with enough of my software that I can move to anything. My games are all bought on Steam, and they mostly have Mac versions. I moved to Adobe Creative Cloud which works on both. The tuning software I use for cars and bikes has been found to work very well via Linux in Wine.

    Between Windows 8, and the Xbox One fiasco, I'm done with Microsoft.
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    06-08-2013 09:22 AM
  10. Nophix's Avatar
    When you say build do you mean hardware.....as in apple spent a good number of hours putting together the best of the best in their macbooks........
    Look at the Ultrabooks on the Windows side. They're right up there in price, so Apple really isn't expensive at all when it comes to premium product. Considering the after sale support Apple offers, I'd argue its much better value these days.
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    06-08-2013 09:25 AM
  11. bamf-hacker's Avatar
    Just got home from Best Buy and their sale and saw a nice MBP with 13.3 inch screen 500GB HD and 8GB of memory for $1,129.00. It had some great features and all I needed being my first Mac.

    ​I will be sleeping on it and maybe pull the trigger next week. What does anyone else think?

    I have had a 2007 MBA for a long time. I loved it but stopped using it because it got slow I am now back to Mac on an MBP and am happy again. There is nothing wrong with a Windows PC, but the build, fit and finish on a MBP is amazing. I hate the propriety nature of the them, but it is getting better.
    06-08-2013 11:50 AM
  12. Fausty82's Avatar
    I have had a 2007 MBA for a long time. I loved it but stopped using it because it got slow I am now back to Mac on an MBP and am happy again. There is nothing wrong with a Windows PC, but the build, fit and finish on a MBP is amazing. I hate the propriety nature of the them, but it is getting better.
    From where I sit, the major drawback to a Windows PC is Windows itself - especially the evolution from Windows 7 to Windows 8. IMHO, Microsoft screwed the pooch with Win 8, and angered a lot of users. As OS X evolves, Apple is careful not to alienate its users in that fashion.

    And I use a Lenovo for my work laptop, but we’re running Red Hat linux (been officially a "windows free zone" for several years) ... the Lenovo ThinkPad line is still solid, but again IMHO, the majority of the Windows PCs are pure crap. HP used to be decent, but I hear a lot of complaints these days about the build quality and cheap components.

    I vote with my wallet... and I buy a new MBP every 4 or 5 years and pass the still very functional older unit down to another family member. If you’re spending your own cash, buy what works for you.
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    06-08-2013 11:59 AM
  13. Ipheuria's Avatar
    Why do you want a Mac in the first place? I use PC's at school, and am happy with them. Still using a 5 year old netbook at home when I need a PC. Only reason I ever bought a Mac was my other job...but I don't do anything with it that I couldn't do with the PC - I'm not a video, music, or image editor.

    If you just want it because it's a Mac, you really need to consider the $$$$. $1200 today for a MBP that will last you 4-5 years. $700 today for a PC that will last you 3, and another $700 in 3 years for the latest, greatest that will last you another 3. Weigh it hard, my friend.
    I'm sorry but I totally disagree with this. If the person wants it because it is a Mac why is that not a real reason? because it cost more money? It's choice, I was a Windows user for years until a friend of mine was selling his Macbook Pro. I didn't need it because I'm into video, image editing, etc. I wanted it because it is a Mac and I could afford it.

    Jag think about it but consider this you don't need to get rid of your windows machine use them both. I do it everyday. Just use the remote desktop app and you can run both from the Mac. Just remember the Mac will last you a long time, the support is great. So as long as you can afford it and all the software you need is available it's a great machine. There are things that I find much easier and more intuitive with a Mac plus the benefit of not having to run antivirus
    06-08-2013 12:38 PM
  14. TurboTiger's Avatar

    I typically use Lenovo stuff which takes a beating like nobody else.
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    Amen to that Nophix.
    I dropped my Lenovo laptop twice and it landed both times on it's conner. No damage.
    It was soo heavy.
    Good Luck
    06-08-2013 12:42 PM
  15. Alli's Avatar
    I'm sorry but I totally disagree with this. If the person wants it because it is a Mac why is that not a real reason? because it cost more money? It's choice, I was a Windows user for years until a friend of mine was selling his Macbook Pro. I didn't need it because I'm into video, image editing, etc. I wanted it because it is a Mac and I could afford it.

    Jag think about it but consider this you don't need to get rid of your windows machine use them both. I do it everyday. Just use the remote desktop app and you can run both from the Mac. Just remember the Mac will last you a long time, the support is great. So as long as you can afford it and all the software you need is available it's a great machine. There are things that I find much easier and more intuitive with a Mac plus the benefit of not having to run antivirus
    If someone can afford it, they can buy whatever they want. But then they don't need to ask for other people's opinions. If I have a few million dollars sitting in my checking account I will not ask your opinion on whether or not I should buy a Mazarati or a Chevrolet even if I only drive 20 miles/day.

    Most people do not have a few million sitting in their checking accounts and have to be responsible with their money, and this includes having sound reasons for purchasing the more expensive of two items. This is why I ask for reasons behind wanting the more expensive. Most people want a Mac because it's a Mac. You won't keep it for 10 years, any more than you'll keep a phone or a PC for ten years. And for the price, you can update to the newest PC halfway through that 10 years, and still have spent less than what you would have spent on a Mac. Not to mention do everything you could do on a Mac, and then some.

    It's nice that you can edit photos on a Mac, but manage a database on Mac? Give me my PC.
    06-08-2013 05:48 PM
  16. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I think your view on mac's is a bit generic there Alli, but to each their own...suffice to say, i disagree. I don't think "most" people buy macs because they are macs, i think most people buy them for quite a few reasons, including their customer service and support, design and size/weight, value holding reasoning, OSX, the fact that there are vastly less issues with viruses and bugs to worry about (for now), bloatware isn't an issue, the fit and finish and dozens of other things. To say most people buy a mac because it's a mac would be like saying most people buy an iPhone because it looks pretty.

    And to be honest, looking at the market...pricing differences are becoming less and less relevant. SSD laptops from Sony, Toshiba and Asus are over $1,000 right now for similarly spec'ed machines. Pricing is becoming irrelevant...and even on computer builds, pricing is really not that different since many of the same parts are used on both sides of the fence, unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), Macs hold value like no other computer on the market, so getting one used isn't going to save you the kind of money you'd be looking at in the Microsoft world, take that for what you will.
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    06-08-2013 09:16 PM
  17. Alli's Avatar
    Well of course it's generic. I wasn't trying to give you a spec by spec comparison, cause that's not really what it's about. If you're doing that, PC's are still 1/3 the cost of a Mac when you look at the high end.

    I'm just saying it's important to figure out what you want to do with a computer first, and then decide what computer can do those things for you at the least expense.
    06-09-2013 11:18 AM
  18. Daytona's Avatar
    Just got home from Best Buy and their sale and saw a nice MBP with 13.3 inch screen 500GB HD and 8GB of memory for $1,129.00. It had some great features and all I needed being my first Mac.

    ​I will be sleeping on it and maybe pull the trigger next week. What does anyone else think?

    Last Wednesday I myself pulled the trigger and purchased a Macbook Pro 13" from Best Buy!! I couldn't be any happier. Its freaking amazing and blazing fast. Best money I ever spent!!
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    06-09-2013 12:07 PM
  19. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Well of course it's generic. I wasn't trying to give you a spec by spec comparison, cause that's not really what it's about. If you're doing that, PC's are still 1/3 the cost of a Mac when you look at the high end.

    I'm just saying it's important to figure out what you want to do with a computer first, and then decide what computer can do those things for you at the least expense.
    I wasn't asking for a spec by spec comparison...I was saying your comment about why "most" (as you put it) people buy macs was because it's a mac is grossly generic and a bit silly.

    And where did you come up with this 1/3rd of the cost idea? Similarly spec'ed microsoft based PC's are MAYBE $300-$400 less than the Macbook Pro they'd compete with. Can you find a computer that is both very cheap and competitive with the MBP's on the market? Of course, but that's like telling someone driving a Ferrari you have a better car because you made a civic that can accelerate as fast as his prancing pony can.

    And let's get real here, not all of us have to go by the "least expense", and while i feel it's completely and totally worth it, Apple is a luxury brand, much like BMW or Lexus.
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    06-10-2013 05:59 PM
  20. Dark_Blu's Avatar
    Buy it, dude. It will more than meet your computing needs for 5 years, minimum. I'm still rocking my 2008 MBP. Won't let go till it dies and that's not happening any time soon.
    06-11-2013 12:53 AM
  21. phoneguru9's Avatar
    Look at the Ultrabooks on the Windows side. They're right up there in price, so Apple really isn't expensive at all when it comes to premium product. Considering the after sale support Apple offers, I'd argue its much better value these days.
    Better support......mmmmm...that's definitely something to consider.....
    06-23-2013 07:37 AM
  22. Guacho's Avatar
    Better support......mmmmm...that's definitely something to consider.....
    Not better support, it's WAY better..
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    06-23-2013 07:41 AM
  23. j_benj's Avatar
    Not better support, it's WAY better..
    This is what got me to convert to Mac/Apple products after having been a PC guy since 1995. The fact that if i have a problem I can bring my MacBook, iPhone or iPad into an Apple store and either have it fixed or walk out with a replacement is huge. No calling tech support.. Getting RMA/shipping labels.. Waiting who knows how long... Etc.
    06-26-2013 05:34 PM
  24. Goodeye's Avatar
    Just got home from Best Buy and their sale and saw a nice MBP with 13.3 inch screen 500GB HD and 8GB of memory for $1,129.00. It had some great features and all I needed being my first Mac.

    ​I will be sleeping on it and maybe pull the trigger next week. What does anyone else think?
    This is exactly what I just did this week. Only problem it took 30 minutes to actually get someone to help me to get it. Not sure if it would have been worth it to just have gone to the Apple Store (In the same area) to get it. Loving my new Macbook Pro!
    07-04-2013 02:07 PM
  25. jsntrenkler's Avatar
    I have been buying macs for the last 8 years and so thankful that I have. While windows looks nice I find the speed and reliability of my macs to be second to none. They last a long time, are very durable and hold their resale value incredibly well.
    10-07-2013 03:19 AM
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