1. Iosnation's Avatar
    The new Mac Pro (base version) will start selling at $2999 (probably much more here). So what do you get for that money? Here:

    3.7 Quad Core Intel Xeon E5-1620 V2.
    12 GB of DDR3 RAM.
    2x AMD FirePro D300 (2 GB GDDR5 VRAM Each)
    256 GB SSD
    802.11a/b/g/n/ac up to 1.3 Gbit
    No optical drive
    No parts changeable, except the RAM.

    So, that looks pretty good, right? Check out this link from eBay:
    Asus Z87 Deluxe i7 4770K 3 5GHz H80I GTX780 Plextor 256G SSD 32GB RAM | eBay

    It is $4 cheaper, and it has higher specs.

    Sorry if that offended you, Apple fans.
    11-01-2013 12:42 PM
  2. kch50428's Avatar
    It is $4 cheaper, and it has higher specs.

    Sorry if that offended you, Apple fans.
    Does that Asus piece of kit run OSX Mavericks?
    Fausty82 and Algus like this.
    11-01-2013 12:45 PM
  3. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    The new Mac Pro (base version) will start selling at $2999 (probably much more here). So what do you get for that money? Here:

    3.7 Quad Core Intel Xeon E5-1620 V2.
    12 GB of DDR3 RAM.
    2x AMD FirePro D300 (2 GB GDDR5 VRAM Each)
    256 GB SSD
    802.11a/b/g/n/ac up to 1.3 Gbit
    No optical drive
    No parts changeable, except the RAM.

    So, that looks pretty good, right? Check out this link from eBay:
    Asus Z87 Deluxe i7 4770K 3 5GHz H80I GTX780 Plextor 256G SSD 32GB RAM | eBay

    It is $4 cheaper, and it has higher specs.

    Sorry if that offended you, Apple fans.
    If you want the Asus, then buy it. None of us care.
    Algus, Reparkable, jmr1015 and 1 others like this.
    11-01-2013 01:43 PM
  4. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    The new Mac Pro (base version) will start selling at $2999 (probably much more here). So what do you get for that money? Here:

    3.7 Quad Core Intel Xeon E5-1620 V2.
    12 GB of DDR3 RAM.
    2x AMD FirePro D300 (2 GB GDDR5 VRAM Each)
    256 GB SSD
    802.11a/b/g/n/ac up to 1.3 Gbit
    No optical drive
    No parts changeable, except the RAM.

    So, that looks pretty good, right? Check out this link from eBay:
    Asus Z87 Deluxe i7 4770K 3 5GHz H80I GTX780 Plextor 256G SSD 32GB RAM | eBay

    It is $4 cheaper, and it has higher specs.

    Sorry if that offended you, Apple fans.
    No one will get offended by your post or question. Having said that, those of us who have been using electronics for many years have long concluded that specs alone do not make for a better user experience. Just like when I used to build PCs for people back in the 90's and early 2000's, it was only as fast as the slowest part. People used to ask why their overly spec'd PC with an integrated video card was lagging in comparison to a moderately spec'd alternative with a dedicated video card. Besides, price is ultimately determined by how much the customers are willing to pay.
    jmr1015 and taz323 like this.
    11-01-2013 02:58 PM
  5. HAWK's Avatar
    Of course its not worth 2999.00..... I can purchase the raw materials to build 300 mac books for half the price! you pay for the idea, the technology, and the labor involved with putting this thing into operation. we pay 800.00 for an iphone 5s, something that's worth probably 45.00 in materials if that. the software and year worth of planning, prepping and paying staff to get this technology ready is why your paying 2999.00
    11-01-2013 03:07 PM
  6. Fausty82's Avatar
    Of course its not worth 2999.00..... I can purchase the raw materials to build 300 mac books for half the price! you pay for the idea, the technology, and the labor involved with putting this thing into operation. we pay 800.00 for an iphone 5s, something that's worth probably 45.00 in materials if that. the software and year worth of planning, prepping and paying staff to get this technology ready is why your paying 2999.00
    iPhone 5S bill of materials has been pegged at about $200. But you point is well taken. I’d also guess that the bom cost for the to be much less than the $3000 price tag... but there’s the cost of all of the R&D, manufacturing, etc to consider... and of course there is Apple's profit, which is largely the issue at hand in this thread.

    Groundbreaking iPhone 5s Carries $199 BOM and Manufacturing Cost, IHS Teardown Reveals - IHS iSuppli’s® Teardown portal provides deeper insights into bill of materials, BOM cost, photo analysis and graphical representation of electronics. To learn
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    11-01-2013 03:30 PM
  7. eastbayrae's Avatar
    What is not included in the BOM, but is in the price, is overhead. Overhead being marketing, R&D, etc.


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    11-02-2013 12:40 AM
  8. iEd's Avatar
    The new Mac Pro (base version) will start selling at $2999 (probably much more here). So what do you get for that money? Here:

    3.7 Quad Core Intel Xeon E5-1620 V2.
    12 GB of DDR3 RAM.
    2x AMD FirePro D300 (2 GB GDDR5 VRAM Each)
    256 GB SSD
    802.11a/b/g/n/ac up to 1.3 Gbit
    No optical drive
    No parts changeable, except the RAM.

    So, that looks pretty good, right? Check out this link from eBay:
    Asus Z87 Deluxe i7 4770K 3 5GHz H80I GTX780 Plextor 256G SSD 32GB RAM | eBay

    It is $4 cheaper, and it has higher specs.

    Sorry if that offended you, Apple fans.
    Is the Storm Trooper included? Or extra?


    #Naked Tuesday
    11-02-2013 02:04 AM
  9. Reparkable's Avatar

    Sorry if that offended you, Apple fans.
    Troll much?


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    11-02-2013 02:09 AM
  10. jmr1015's Avatar
    To consider something "overpriced" one must first establish an average value for a device of this nature. Specs, build quality, software, customer service and support, overall ownership experience... Etc etc

    So what is the average price for something with a comparable set of qualities to the Mac Pro?
    11-02-2013 02:29 AM
  11. Peligro911's Avatar
    Specs don't really matter now a days except to boost your ego ..
    This isn't 1998 when Ram CPU and video cards were what defined your performance.
    I mean how is it the 5s and now Ipad Air only pushing the mighty 1gb of ram is out shining everyone ???
    It's software and you pay for the Guys at apple who wrote it and designed it and made the hardware to compliment it.
    11-02-2013 03:32 AM
  12. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Specs don't really matter now a days except to boost your ego ..
    This isn't 1998 when Ram CPU and video cards were what defined your performance.
    I mean how is it the 5s and now Ipad Air only pushing the mighty 1gb of ram is out shining everyone ???
    It's software and you pay for the Guys at apple who wrote it and designed it and made the hardware to compliment it.
    Mostly I'd agree, but for the intended audience of the Mac Pro, specs do matter. They need that CPU, GPU, RAM, and other really fast components for high-end video editing.
    11-02-2013 08:07 AM
  13. SprSynJn's Avatar
    For what you're getting I'd say the Pro isn't really that overpriced if you're going to put up that comparison. Apple's products are well made, from what I've experienced. I have no idea what Asus is, nor would I believe them to be on par. Plus, as someone already mentioned, you get Windows 8 with it and not Mavericks. That alone is reason for me not to get it, let alone the other large amount of problems you'll have to deal with I'm sure. If I were in the market, I'd definitely get the Pro.
    11-02-2013 09:36 AM
  14. Trees's Avatar
    Karenkcoulter captured the key differentiator here. The Pro page on Apple's site mentions "pro" numerous times. This system is designed for those who need the computational horsepower for video rendering, simulations, engineering, and scientific related apps and tasks.

    Yes, the Pro is expensive compared to consumer (Non-Pro) systems. Looking at it from a productivity standpoint the Pro's Overview pages give good examples for how much more work this system can do in the same amount of time compared to prior generation. For organizations, this translates into greater productivity, shorter time to market, and answers to problems sooner than before. In general I think this translates into a good return on investment from a business and personal level for those that rely upon systems like the Pro for their livelihood.
    11-02-2013 11:07 AM
  15. Algus's Avatar
    For what you're getting I'd say the Pro isn't really that overpriced if you're going to put up that comparison. Apple's products are well made, from what I've experienced. I have no idea what Asus is, nor would I believe them to be on par. Plus, as someone already mentioned, you get Windows 8 with it and not Mavericks. That alone is reason for me not to get it, let alone the other large amount of problems you'll have to deal with I'm sure. If I were in the market, I'd definitely get the Pro.
    Asus is a manufacturer from Taiwan that produces some excellent tech. Among the various feathers in their cap, they've done up the Nexus 7 for Google (arguably one of the best Android tablets) and they started the whole Netbook thing with the EeePC several years ago. Their build quality isn't the same as Apple's...but then no one's is. The amount of money Apple spends on R&D for things like case aesthetics is nuts compared to every other tech company out there.

    Agree w/you that it really isn't overpriced. I am happy to have the price of the OS rolled into my hardware purchase rather than subsidized via crapware (although I'd like to hope that at $3k you wouldn't have to bother with a clean install...but I would probably want Linux anyway)
    11-02-2013 11:25 AM
  16. Iosnation's Avatar
    Does that Asus piece of kit run OSX Mavericks?
    No, but you can install it to make it a Hackintosh.
    If you want the Asus, then buy it. None of us care.
    I don't want to buy anything. My point of starting this thread is because I thought it was not really worth the money.
    To consider something "overpriced" one must first establish an average value for a device of this nature. Specs, build quality, software, customer service and support, overall ownership experience... Etc etc

    So what is the average price for something with a comparable set of qualities to the Mac Pro?
    I want to say... $2500?
    Last edited by Iosnation; 11-02-2013 at 02:50 PM.
    11-02-2013 02:32 PM
  17. BradleyKelly's Avatar
    My point may have been said but when you purchase apple it isn't about the spec its the operating system that sells it the most for me personally. however I wont be buying it as my Laptop and MacBook are doing me well however it is nice to see apple still changing the market even now.
    11-02-2013 07:43 PM
  18. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Troll much?


    Sent from my iPhone 5 iMore Forum App
    He owns an iPad, and his name is Iosnation, so I don't think he is a troll.
    11-03-2013 12:08 AM
  19. eastbayrae's Avatar
    It should be compared to what it is: a workstation and not some consumer grade toy. Would you compare and Dell server to an Mac Mini with osx server? I think not.

    There is also the resale value to look at. Apple products maintain high resale values.

    If I wasn't on the move so much I would get one of these for sure.


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    11-03-2013 01:14 AM
  20. Iosnation's Avatar
    @BradleyKelly I don't think the operating system makes it expensive because in the last Apple special event in October they said Mavericks will be free.
    11-03-2013 01:18 AM
  21. Algus's Avatar
    They can say the OS is free but we're still eating the R&D for it on the price of the computers and legally you still have to buy an Apple computer to get the OS. All the exclusive software is part of the reason Macs cost more vs non - Apple machines.

    Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk 4
    11-03-2013 02:39 AM
  22. BradleyKelly's Avatar
    You get me wrong i think the fact that it has that os means more people see it as a better system as lets be serious for productivity which this system has been made for btw Mac osx is far better then window.
    11-04-2013 06:06 AM
  23. LazyStarGazer's Avatar
    I would definitely buy the Asus instead of that overpriced Mac.
    If I had any problems with it I would take it to the Asus store and...oh, wait...
    Totalimmortal363 likes this.
    11-04-2013 06:50 AM
  24. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    I would definitely buy the Asus instead of that overpriced Mac.
    If I had any problems with it I would take it to the Asus store and...oh, wait...
    Which is a HUGE advantage Apple has over competitors. I mean, there are Microsoft stores if I bought it from there or can service it there, but there aren't many. And best buy, meh.
    11-05-2013 01:14 AM
  25. JKeigh's Avatar
    Different category, but ... I chose an Asus over a MacBook Air earlier this year, and I regret it every time I have to use it. It continually crashes, disconnects from Wi-Fi and switches apps if my hand brushes the touchpad. It's a piece of junk and I want to throw it through a window. But I'm sure you'll enjoy yours.
    SprSynJn likes this.
    11-05-2013 07:14 AM
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