1. bobbob1016's Avatar
    And you are an attorney? Oh yeah, we've been down this road... please, put me on your ignore list too since I'm such a know-nothing...
    Can you actually block a mod?... Wouldn't you be able to see it anyways? haha
    12-25-2013 03:30 PM
  2. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    I just consider that unmoral. If you want you can do it but, remember don't blame anyone but yourself when you lose your unlimited data.
    Last edited by galaxyboy; 12-27-2013 at 03:41 PM.
    12-27-2013 02:58 PM
  3. DayThyme's Avatar
    I just consider that unlawful. If you want you can do it but, remember don't blame anyone but yourself when you lose your unlimited data.
    you can consider it anything you want. But you are wrong and have no basis in the law for thinking that. You are literally just making things up and insisting they are true when all of the facts and the law point to the opposite conclusion.

    Verizon cannot take away your unlimited data for tethering without being in violation of their block c licenses. So they would be the entity in the wrong and would be punished by fines if they did that.

    Obviously reading comprehension isn't your forte.
    12-27-2013 03:03 PM
  4. acerace113's Avatar
    I think people are confused between what the law says and what people classify as "Ethical". By law you can use a 3rd party app tethering app and Verizon can't do anything about but is it ethical? No. That's what people are getting confused by.


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    12-27-2013 03:13 PM
  5. kch50428's Avatar
    you can consider it anything you want. But you are wrong and have no basis in the law for thinking that. You are literally just making things up and insisting they are true when all of the facts and the law point to the opposite conclusion.

    Verizon cannot take away your unlimited data for tethering without being in violation of their block c licenses. So they would be the entity in the wrong and would be punished by fines if they did that.

    Obviously reading comprehension isn't your forte.
    Tone it down counselor.

    Verizon is well within their legal rights to act on the terms of service which currently allow them to manage their network traffic - and any user deemed to be dissruptive to the operation of their network can be dealt with on the basis of the T&C of service under their contracts.
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    12-27-2013 03:18 PM
  6. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    Verizon has found out about people using this. There is more data used while tethering and when they find out they will rid you of unlimited data.
    12-27-2013 03:43 PM
  7. DayThyme's Avatar
    Verizon is well within their legal rights to act on the terms of service which currently allow them to manage their network traffic - and any user deemed to be dissruptive to the operation of their network can be dealt with on the basis of the T&C of service under their contracts.
    Look I know legal issues are challenging for some, but I have spelled out this very simple point at least 5 times now: Verizon's T&C DO NOT SUPERCEDE THE LAW.

    You also are literally making things up if you think that Verizon selling me a data plan that VERIZON calls unlimited data (not me, I didn't name the plan they did) and then if i actually use a lot of data calling that dissruptive (ROFLMAO). There is no doubt that Verizon doesn't have to offer unlimited data plans to people once they go off contract, but as long as they do offer them, they have to deal with that in the context of their block c licenses. Verizon knows this too, that is why unlike ATT, they don't kick you off their network for using tons of data nor do they throttle you.

    The facts are the facts - Verizon wants people off of unlimited data and is providing incentives to get people off. Yet they never take it away from anyone. You have to voluntarily give it up by using an upgrade or switching to a different plan. Why? Is it because Verizon's executives are just such nice good hearted people that they wouldn't do that to anyone? Of course not. It is because they CAN'T. If they could, they would. It surprises me that people are so naive they don't get this point. Verizon isn't doing anything out of the goodness of their hearts. People are using tons of data under their unlimited data plans and not getting throttled and not getting booted off because Verizon has to let them as long as they offer the unlimited data plans or they are in violation of their licenses.

    Anyhow, you are wrong and randomly trying to come up with arguments because you either can't understand what I am saying or you can, but you don't like the fact that I am right and are just arguing for argument's sake.
    12-27-2013 03:51 PM
  8. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    Tone it down counselor.

    Verizon is well within their legal rights to act on the terms of service which currently allow them to manage their network traffic - and any user deemed to be dissruptive to the operation of their network can be dealt with on the basis of the T&C of service under their contracts.
    I think this thread has served its purpose. Don't you think so?
    12-27-2013 03:51 PM
  9. DayThyme's Avatar
    I think this thread has served its purpose. Don't you think so?
    Hon, I am putting you on ignore because if this thread has shown anything, it is that legal concepts are hard for some people to grasp. It is hard for me to understand why because there is nothing difficult about understanding that a company cannot override the law via a contract, but clearly it is not something everyone can understand.
    12-27-2013 03:54 PM
  10. kch50428's Avatar
    Look I know legal issues are challenging for some, but I have spelled out this very simple point at least 5 times now: Verizon's T&C DO NOT SUPERCEDE THE LAW.

    You also are literally making things up if you think that Verizon selling me a data plan that VERIZON calls unlimited data (not me, I didn't name the plan they did) and then if i actually use a lot of data calling that dissruptive (ROFLMAO). There is no doubt that Verizon doesn't have to offer unlimited data plans to people once they go off contract, but as long as they do offer them, they have to deal with that in the context of their block c licenses. Verizon knows this too, that is why unlike ATT, they don't kick you off their network for using tons of data nor do they throttle you.

    The facts are the facts - Verizon wants people off of unlimited data and is providing incentives to get people off. Yet they never take it away from anyone. You have to voluntarily give it up by using an upgrade or switching to a different plan. Why? Is it because Verizon's executives are just such nice good hearted people that they wouldn't do that to anyone? Of course not. It is because they CAN'T. If they could, they would. It surprises me that people are so naive they don't get this point. Verizon isn't doing anything out of the goodness of their hearts. People are using tons of data under their unlimited data plans and not getting throttled and not getting booted off because Verizon has to let them as long as they offer the unlimited data plans or they are in violation of their licenses.

    Anyhow, you are wrong and randomly trying to come up with arguments because you either can't understand what I am saying or you can, but you don't like the fact that I am right and are just arguing for argument's sake.
    THE LAW allows Verizon to manage their network and take actions necessary to do so... a fact that seems to totally elude you. Pay heed to your last sentence quoted above. Physician, heal thyself.
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    12-27-2013 03:56 PM
  11. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    you can consider it anything you want. But you are wrong and have no basis in the law for thinking that. You are literally just making things up and insisting they are true when all of the facts and the law point to the opposite conclusion.

    Verizon cannot take away your unlimited data for tethering without being in violation of their block c licenses. So they would be the entity in the wrong and would be punished by fines if they did that.

    Obviously reading comprehension isn't your forte.
    What you are talking about comes from a limited amount of knowledge. Please research this and then we will talk. I'm not making things up and if saying that floats your boat, you can keep saying it.
    12-27-2013 04:00 PM
  12. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    Look I know legal issues are challenging for some, but I have spelled out this very simple point at least 5 times now: Verizon's T&C DO NOT SUPERCEDE THE LAW.

    You also are literally making things up if you think that Verizon selling me a data plan that VERIZON calls unlimited data (not me, I didn't name the plan they did) and then if i actually use a lot of data calling that dissruptive (ROFLMAO). There is no doubt that Verizon doesn't have to offer unlimited data plans to people once they go off contract, but as long as they do offer them, they have to deal with that in the context of their block c licenses. Verizon knows this too, that is why unlike ATT, they don't kick you off their network for using tons of data nor do they throttle you.

    The facts are the facts - Verizon wants people off of unlimited data and is providing incentives to get people off. Yet they never take it away from anyone. You have to voluntarily give it up by using an upgrade or switching to a different plan. Why? Is it because Verizon's executives are just such nice good hearted people that they wouldn't do that to anyone? Of course not. It is because they CAN'T. If they could, they would. It surprises me that people are so naive they don't get this point. Verizon isn't doing anything out of the goodness of their hearts. People are using tons of data under their unlimited data plans and not getting throttled and not getting booted off because Verizon has to let them as long as they offer the unlimited data plans or they are in violation of their licenses.

    Anyhow, you are wrong and randomly trying to come up with arguments because you either can't understand what I am saying or you can, but you don't like the fact that I am right and are just arguing for argument's sake.
    If you sign that contract you have to abide by the T&C. The LAW allows that.
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    12-27-2013 04:07 PM
  13. DayThyme's Avatar
    THE LAW allows Verizon to manage their network and take actions necessary to do so...
    Only so long as they are not in violation of their block C licenses, a point you conveniently keep ignoring.

    There is a reason Verizon throttles high data users only on their 3G network and it's because they can't on their 4G LTE network. What happens if you have a data hog on the 4G LTE network is that the network slows for everyone due to congestion. But it doesn't slow selectively for the data hog, like what happens when you throttle a user. And Verizon DOES throttle on their 3G network.

    The fact is no one has ever been throttled on Verizon's 4G LTE network. So you can make your legally baseless arguments all you want, but the reality is that Verizon behaves this way because they have to behave this way due to the law not because they want to behave this way. They want to throttle high data users on their 4G LTE network, but can't.
    12-27-2013 04:33 PM
  14. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    If you sign that contract you have to abide by the T&C. The LAW allows that.
    So what about what I said?
    12-27-2013 04:40 PM
  15. kch50428's Avatar
    So what about what I said?
    You're probably being ignored... because you're correct.
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    12-27-2013 04:42 PM
  16. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    You're probably being ignored... because you're correct.
    Yeah.
    12-27-2013 04:44 PM
  17. DayThyme's Avatar
    You're probably being ignored... because you're correct.
    he is being ignored but not because he is correct. There are just only so many times I can explain this stuff before I realize that a person doesn't have the grey matter to get it or they get it but don't like that I am right so that is why they keep making baseless arguments (the latter is you, btw).
    12-27-2013 04:45 PM
  18. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    I am correct. Learn to accept the truth.
    12-27-2013 04:47 PM
  19. kch50428's Avatar
    he is being ignored but not because he is correct. There is just only so many times I can explain this stuff before I realize that a person just doesn't have the grey matter to get it or they get it but don't like that I am right so that is why they keep making baseless arguments (the latter is you, btw).
    And this is what is know as projection folks...
    12-27-2013 04:48 PM
  20. DayThyme's Avatar
    And this is what is know as projection folks...
    and this is what is known as the last resort of someone who has lost an argument.
    12-27-2013 04:50 PM
  21. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    and this is what is known as the last resort of someone who has lost an argument.
    Keith didn't lose anything.
    12-27-2013 04:52 PM
  22. i7guy's Avatar
    Put me on ignore then since after this YOU will be on everyone's ignore list. Many people that tried this and used too much data got throttled and some lost their unlimited data.
    I'm already on ignore and I don't understand what is difficult? The decree, which i posted and verizon's t and c, which i posted, states the following:
    - verizon cannot block tether apps
    - unlimited data customers have to pay a fee for tethering and there is a 5 gig limit
    - bandwidth on lte can be used on your phone until the cows come home and cant be throttled
    - verizon can survey it's network but won't snoop on your data
    - verizon can enforce it's t and c
    - verizon can terminate you if it deems you are harming their network

    Bottom line, abusing the system by bypassing controls, ie jailbreak to tether for free will cause verizon to sit up and take notice. Whether they mete out punishment for the abusers or the masses is yet to be seen, but the arrogance of the arm chair lawyer of being able to beat the system is laughable. The only winner is verizon and the losers are us, due to those who game the system.
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    12-27-2013 04:53 PM
  23. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    He doesn't want to know that he lost the argument.
    12-27-2013 04:55 PM
  24. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    I'm talking about DayThyme not Keith.
    12-27-2013 05:05 PM
  25. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    and this is what is known as the last resort of someone who has lost an argument.
    Psychology states, "when a person is losing in an argument their last resort is to correct the other person's grammar." So if Keith was losing, he would be correcting your grammar and it would be really easy for him to do that.
    12-27-2013 05:09 PM
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