1. DayThyme's Avatar
    But in terms of jailbreaking to use a tethering app to get around Verizon's requirements, I personally don't support it but I'm not going to stop you from using it nor argue against you using it.
    You are missing the point. Verizon can "require" anything they want to but it doesn't mean that they have any legal right to "require" it nor does it mean that they aren't violating their licenses by making such a "requirement." And any such "requirement" that is in violation of their licenses is void as a matter of law.

    But someone has to complain to the FCC and pursue it and at the end of the day, Verizon doesn't have to offer unlimited data to us once we are off contract, so there really is not point in pursuing it. Rather, I will continue to do what is perfectly legal and in line with Verizon's licenses and confront anyone who tries to tell me I am not allowed to do this with facts, logic, sound reasoning and the law.

    Verizon has violated the terms of their licenses in the past and the current Nexus 7 LTE controversy indicates they are not afraid to continue to do so.
    12-24-2013 08:12 PM
  2. acerace113's Avatar
    You are missing the point. Verizon can "require" anything they want to but it doesn't mean that they have any legal right to "require" it nor does it mean that they aren't violating their licenses by making such a "requirement." And any such "requirement" that is in violation of their licenses is void as a matter of law.

    But someone has to complain to the FCC and pursue it and at the end of the day, Verizon doesn't have to offer unlimited data to us once we are off contract, so there really is not point in pursuing it. Rather, I will continue to do what is perfectly legal and in line with Verizon's licenses and confront anyone who tries to tell me I am not allowed to do this with facts, logic, sound reasoning and the law.

    Verizon has violated the terms of their licenses in the past and the current Nexus 7 LTE controversy indicates they are not afraid to continue to do so.
    This is why I won't argue against you cause this is very confusing to customers. One side says one thing and the other is saying something different. The problem is customers are not aware of this and just do what the carrier says to do. You know what you are allowed to do and that's what Verizon is mad at.


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    12-24-2013 08:37 PM
  3. DayThyme's Avatar
    You know what you are allowed to do and that's what Verizon is mad at.
    I don't think they are mad; they are just a corporation that in a capitalistic society will try to make as much money as it can. They will push the envelope when it comes to profits as far as they can and will only be constrained by the law when they are forced to be.

    What is so odd to me is that posters on a jailbreaking forum of all things will defend corporate america against its subscribers. I pay for my unlimited data every month on auto pay no less. I am never even late at paying. I don't steal anything. I pay for what I use.
    12-24-2013 09:13 PM
  4. acerace113's Avatar
    I don't think they are mad; they are just a corporation that in a capitalistic society will try to make as much money as it can. They will push the envelope when it comes to profits as far as they can and will only be constrained by the law when they are forced to be.
    Every company pushes the envelope until there is a problem or the law says otherwise.

    What is so odd to me is that posters on a jailbreaking forum of all things will defend corporate america against its subscribers. I pay for my unlimited data every month on auto pay no less. I am never even late at paying. I don't steal anything. I pay for what I use.
    The way I see it you can use your unlimited data however you want on your phone. I'm terms of tether via a 3rd party app I'm not saying anything about that.


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    12-24-2013 09:54 PM
  5. DayThyme's Avatar
    I'm terms of tether via a 3rd party app I'm not saying anything about that.
    well get ready for some criticism then. I walk you through, hold your hand and spoon feed you all of the relevant facts and law and you can't form an opinion? really? lol!

    Seriously, if you can't use your powers of deductive reasoning and your googling ability to figure out what the legal issue is here and how the law would be applied in this case after all I have posted, I caution anyone from listening to your jailbreak advice.

    The law is not rocket science, but yes, you do actually have to read the stuff, pay attention when you do and think about it critically. But I would think anyone giving out jailbreaking advice would have those skills.
    12-24-2013 10:31 PM
  6. i7guy's Avatar
    Every company pushes the envelope until there is a problem or the law says otherwise.



    The way I see it you can use your unlimited data however you want on your phone. I'm terms of tether via a 3rd party app I'm not saying anything about that.


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    The setiment of ignoring verizons t and c to avoid paying the fee would be the same as you splitting your cable signal to give your neighboor free tv and internet. I mean its my bandwidth i pay for it and i can do what i want, even though it's against the cable companys' t and c. Right?

    Theft of service is theft of service. With the cable company however, i've read where the fbi was called in to make arrests for theft of service.

    I agree about lte, stream 24x7 on your phone no harm no foul. Bypass verizon's fee and loose caps for tethering is a whole other matter. You think VZW is going to let that happen? They will figure a way to screw the whole lot of us because of the actions of a small number or maybe large number of individuals.
    12-25-2013 12:07 AM
  7. acerace113's Avatar
    well get ready for some criticism then. I walk you through, hold your hand and spoon feed you all of the relevant facts and law and you can't form an opinion? really? lol!

    Seriously, if you can't use your powers of deductive reasoning and your googling ability to figure out what the legal issue is here and how the law would be applied in this case after all I have posted, I caution anyone from listening to your jailbreak advice.

    The law is not rocket science, but yes, you do actually have to read the stuff, pay attention when you do and think about it critically. But I would think anyone giving out jailbreaking advice would have those skills.
    I just re-read everything and I did miss read some of the wording since I was doing other stuff at the same time (that was my fault) and your posts are 100% correct.

    And if you want my opinion; if you pay for tethering and just want more control and advanced settings for you personal hotspot then sure download a 3rd party app, but if you don't pay for tethering or it's not included in your plan then use a 3rd party app at your own risk with other carriers. By law you should be ok though with Verizon and shouldn't be an issue. I would still recommend people read the laws in there own country before using 3rd party tethering apps though just to make sure it's ok but I'm not responsible if you get caught using those apps when your not suppose to.

    People have different views on this and this discussion will go on forever but by the looks of it if your on Verizon they shouldn't be able to do anything about it, and if they do you can "take matters into your own hands".


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    12-25-2013 12:11 AM
  8. acerace113's Avatar
    The setiment of ignoring verizons t and c to avoid paying the fee would be the same as you splitting your cable signal to give your neighboor free tv and internet. I mean its my bandwidth i pay for it and i can do what i want, even though it's against the cable companys' t and c. Right?

    Theft of service is theft of service. With the cable company however, i've read where the fbi was called in to make arrests for theft of service.

    I agree about lte, stream 24x7 on your phone no harm no foul. Bypass verizon's fee and loose caps for tethering is a whole other matter. You think VZW is going to let that happen? They will figure a way to screw the whole lot of us because of the actions of a small number or maybe large number of individuals.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a law bypass Verizon's t & c? Plus isn't the Terms and conditions that apply to the plan are the ones that were written at the time of signing the contract and not the ones added after?


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    12-25-2013 12:14 AM
  9. DayThyme's Avatar
    Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a law bypass Verizon's t & c?
    Absolutely. Anyone can put anything they want in a contract. Doesn't mean it is a legally enforceable contract provision.

    That's the whole point here - Verizon does things that violate their licenses.
    12-25-2013 12:34 AM
  10. natasftw's Avatar
    Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a law bypass Verizon's t & c? Plus isn't the Terms and conditions that apply to the plan are the ones that were written at the time of signing the contract and not the ones added after?


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    You're partially correct. The law definitely takes precedent over Verizon's terms. Anyone on Verizon with unlimited data is on a month to month contract at this point. As they could walk away without penalty, Verizon could easily expect to uphold the newest version of their terms. That's the glory of month to month.

    Regardless, the cable analogy was ****-poor. Tethering your phone is like splitting your cable to go into multiple rooms in your home. The FBI has never been called in for such a thing.
    12-25-2013 12:36 AM
  11. acerace113's Avatar
    You're partially correct. The law definitely takes precedent over Verizon's terms. Anyone on Verizon with unlimited data is on a month to month contract at this point. As they could walk away without penalty, Verizon could easily expect to uphold the newest version of their terms. That's the glory of month to month.

    Regardless, the cable analogy was ****-poor. Tethering your phone is like splitting your cable to go into multiple rooms in your home. The FBI has never been called in for such a thing.
    Based on the logic of that cable analogy that was posted that would mean that wireless routers are illegal also IMO.


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    12-25-2013 12:41 AM
  12. DayThyme's Avatar
    Anyone on Verizon with unlimited data is on a month to month contract at this point.
    Not if you do the upgrade transfer. I just did this on 2 verizon unlimited data lines in november and december. You transfer your unlimited data upgrade to a basic phone or tiered data phone line on the same account. Then upgrade on that line. It extends the contract on the unlimited data line by 2 years.

    I am now the proud owner of 2 unlimited data lines with contract end dates at the end of 2015

    This is verizon's system. I didn't tell them to configure their system to do this. They allow it; I just do what they allow.
    12-25-2013 12:41 AM
  13. bobbob1016's Avatar
    "(1) Insofar as such use would not be compliant with published technical standards reasonably necessary for the management or protection of the licensee's network..."

    They protect their network by not allowing unlimited tethering. Case and point, they are not violating anything by kicking you off for tethering, without $30, on an unlimited plan. The "applications" part is because they don't understand the tech as well. They don't mean an app, that basically means net neutrality. They can't slow Netflix, unless every user goes to Netflix at the same time and it messes with their bandwidth. Also, torrents.
    12-25-2013 11:00 AM
  14. i7guy's Avatar
    This is really a simple question getting a yes or no answer...do you have a personal hotspot that comes with your unjailbroken iphone 5S? If yes, while I'm surprised, putting in the tethering app of your choice is perfectly legal. If not, well you know my stance.

    VZW does have a confusing maze of services and plans, for example:

    - My old blackberry with unlimited data had to have the old $20 VZW access plan to tether.
    - Family's iphone 4's (iphone 4 not 4s) with unlimited data all come with personal hotspot enabled, at no additional charge.
    - My fully paid 5S, which I bought outright to replace my BB and to keep unlimited data does not come with personal hotspot enabled. I could legally enable it at a cost of $30/mo. (As a side benefit I'm on month to month, so an iphone 6 acquisition is not out of the question)

    If personal hotspot is enabled due to some upgrade perk on your 5c or 5s, what is being done seems is within guidelines/law/terms and conditions. If personal hotspot is not enabled and you are able to "game/hack" the system then just admit this is what is happening.
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    12-25-2013 11:03 AM
  15. bobbob1016's Avatar
    This is really a simple question getting a yes or no answer...do you have a personal hotspot that comes with your unjailbroken iphone 5S? If yes, while I'm surprised, putting in the tethering app of your choice is perfectly legal. If not, well you know my stance.
    I thought OP did at first. Wouldn't have to talk about the FCC ruling or whatever if it was a legit way to get tethering. And honestly, not sure how many people use a different iOS tethering app when they already have it on their plan TBH. I mean, yeah, could have different features, but yeah.
    12-25-2013 11:28 AM
  16. i7guy's Avatar
    I thought OP did at first. Wouldn't have to talk about the FCC ruling or whatever if it was a legit way to get tethering. And honestly, not sure how many people use a different iOS tethering app when they already have it on their plan TBH. I mean, yeah, could have different features, but yeah.
    That's why I re-asked the question. However, in a real show in internet maturity, I think I was put on ignore, so I doubt the question will get answered.

    http://www.fcc.gov/document/order-an...ay-125-million

    There is a blurb in there about unlimited customers paying a fee to tether.
    12-25-2013 11:36 AM
  17. DayThyme's Avatar
    "(1) Insofar as such use would not be compliant with published technical standards reasonably necessary for the management or protection of the licensee's network..."

    They protect their network by not allowing unlimited tethering. Case and point, they are not violating anything by kicking you off for tethering, without $30, on an unlimited plan.
    you are just making things up now. There is no ruling that supports your interpretation. AND Verizon doesn't kick people off for tethering, ATT does.
    12-25-2013 12:13 PM
  18. DayThyme's Avatar
    Wouldn't have to talk about the FCC ruling or whatever if it was a legit way to get tethering. .
    Wrong. The only reason I brought up the FCC is because some a$$clown called it theft. It was merely to prove him wrong, as I did.

    It's totally legit. Verizon knows it is going on and knows they don't have a legal leg to stand on to stop it. That is why they pressured google to get the apps out of the playstore.

    The only party here who has broken the law and hasn't been legit is Verizon.
    12-25-2013 12:16 PM
  19. i7guy's Avatar
    Wrong. The only reason I brought up the FCC is because some a$$clown called it theft. It was merely to prove him wrong, as I did.

    It's totally legit. Verizon knows it is going on and knows they don't have a legal leg to stand on to stop it. That is why they pressured google to get the apps out of the playstore.

    The only party here who has broken the law and hasn't been legit is Verizon.
    I agree about the part there is an a$$clown on the forum; which is why I posted the FCC ruling. You still haven't answered the question. Oh wait...I'm on ignore.
    12-25-2013 12:42 PM
  20. bobbob1016's Avatar
    you are just making things up now. There is no ruling that supports your interpretation. AND Verizon doesn't kick people off for tethering, ATT does.
    That was a quote from the top post here... They made it up then? Verizon isn't kicking anyone off... *yet*. You interpret it one way, I do another. I would wager that a lawyer/judge would read it the way I do though, and there not being a ruling doesn't over-ride the way the law reads.
    12-25-2013 01:23 PM
  21. DayThyme's Avatar
    You interpret it one way, I do another. I would wager that a lawyer/judge would read it the way I do though, and there not being a ruling doesn't over-ride the way the law reads.
    Clearly you are not an attorney. Gonna have to cut you off and put you on ignore because I don't have time to educate you nor do I want to read your drivel. You don't know what you are talking about.
    12-25-2013 02:26 PM
  22. acerace113's Avatar
    Wrong. The only reason I brought up the FCC is because some a$$clown called it theft. It was merely to prove him wrong, as I did.

    It's totally legit. Verizon knows it is going on and knows they don't have a legal leg to stand on to stop it. That is why they pressured google to get the apps out of the playstore.

    The only party here who has broken the law and hasn't been legit is Verizon.
    I agree with the tethering part that Verizon can't do anything. But people still have to remember that Verizon still has the right to terminate your services if you abuse their network (not sure what Verizon counts as abuse, post a link cause I'm curious too)


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    12-25-2013 02:50 PM
  23. i7guy's Avatar
    That was a quote from the top post here... They made it up then? Verizon isn't kicking anyone off... *yet*. You interpret it one way, I do another. I would wager that a lawyer/judge would read it the way I do though, and there not being a ruling doesn't over-ride the way the law reads.
    It's funny how the posters who post the most nonsense have the least tolerance. Maybe if we're lucky he will put the entire imore community on ignore.

    The idjut might actually learn something if he didn't hit that ignore button.
    12-25-2013 02:50 PM
  24. bobbob1016's Avatar
    It's funny how the posters who post the most nonsense have the least tolerance. Maybe if we're lucky he will put the entire imore community on ignore.

    The idjut might actually learn something if he didn't hit that ignore button.
    I'm on block now too, I got:
    "Clearly you are not an attorney. Gonna have to cut you off and put you on ignore because I don't have time to educate you nor do I want to read your drivel. You don't know what you are talking about."
    12-25-2013 03:14 PM
  25. kch50428's Avatar
    Clearly you are not an attorney. Gonna have to cut you off and put you on ignore because I don't have time to educate you nor do I want to read your drivel. You don't know what you are talking about.
    And you are an attorney? Oh yeah, we've been down this road... please, put me on your ignore list too since I'm such a know-nothing...
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    12-25-2013 03:25 PM
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