1. wbkm85's Avatar
    hey lets fight online like we are 12!

    anyone gotten this to work? this has gone way off topic for no reason at all.
    02-24-2014 08:38 AM
  2. 3cit's Avatar
    hey lets fight online like we are 12!

    anyone gotten this to work? this has gone way off topic for no reason at all.
    no tethering from att without paying for it unless you jailbreak
    even if you jailbreak att will catch you and charge / change your plan

    make sense?
    02-24-2014 12:38 PM
  3. Hugoneus's Avatar
    Yes, that's what I have to add... I'm one of those odd people that believes one should pay for services rendered and not seek means of circumventing carrier restrictions in order to steal service... I'm a freak... This is exactly why there's no consensus on the issue... on one hand there's the want everything free crowd...and there's my point of view. You've made your point... I've made mine. Have a nice day.
    People like you are the reason why companies like ATT can get away with charging us twice for the same service.
    03-26-2014 03:27 PM
  4. kch50428's Avatar
    People like you are the reason why companies like ATT can get away with charging us twice for the same service.
    See post 27 above.
    03-26-2014 03:32 PM
  5. sinfool's Avatar
    no tethering from att without paying for it unless you jailbreak
    even if you jailbreak att will catch you and charge / change your plan

    make sense?
    See post 27 above.
    Sorry, this is incorrect.

    I've had the AT&T unlimited data plan since its inception ...back when the iPhone 3G was released and unlimited data was actually "unlimited" like they promised. At that time, they didn't even offer a tethering plan. Subsequetly, I discovered jailbreaking & MyWi. I've been tethering ever since & have never been warned for tethering. Granted, usually I only tether to my iPad but a few times I've checked my email from my laptop.

    The only warnings I ever received from AT&T was when they originally started their throttling BS ...I received a text about approaching the 3GB threshold & was throttled the last 3 days of that month. That only happened once and was unrelated to tethering.

    So, while I obviously disagree that tethering is "stealing"...I also disagree that AT&T will necessarily "catch & charge" you. From my experience & what I've read... being caught depends on how much data you're consuming & what devices you're tethering to.
    03-27-2014 12:11 AM
  6. 3cit's Avatar
    Sorry, this is incorrect.

    I've had the AT&T unlimited data plan since its inception ...back when the iPhone 3G was released and unlimited data was actually "unlimited" like they promised. At that time, they didn't even offer a tethering plan. Subsequetly, I discovered jailbreaking & MyWi. I've been tethering ever since & have never been warned for tethering. Granted, usually I only tether to my iPad but a few times I've checked my email from my laptop.

    The only warnings I ever received from AT&T was when they originally started their throttling BS ...I received a text about approaching the 3GB threshold & was throttled the last 3 days of that month. That only happened once and was unrelated to tethering.

    So, while I obviously disagree that tethering is "stealing"...I also disagree that AT&T will necessarily "catch & charge" you. From my experience & what I've read... being caught depends on how much data you're consuming & what devices you're tethering to.
    Says the dude who hasn't been caught yet.
    You will be caught, and you will lose your data plan
    03-27-2014 01:17 AM
  7. johnboysupergolf's Avatar
    My personal hotspot switch was greyed out until ios7 came around, then it appeared as if by magic. I use it because like a lot of other folk I pay for it.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
    03-27-2014 03:23 AM
  8. sinfool's Avatar
    Says the dude who hasn't been caught… yet.
    You will be caught, and you will lose your data plan
    Says the dude who is ignorant to the facts... still.

    Dude, It's been 6 years! What, do you think I'm new to this? ...pfff

    Stop preaching non-sense.
    03-27-2014 08:58 AM
  9. kch50428's Avatar
    Stop preaching non-sense.
    You too.
    03-27-2014 09:35 AM
  10. sinfool's Avatar
    You too.
    You three.
    03-27-2014 10:18 AM
  11. kch50428's Avatar
    You can't escape the fact that when you sign up for cellular service from a provider you sign a contract that contains certain terms and conditions... enabling a wifi hotspot on devices that don't include that service as a part of their plan, or an added feature to their plan is contrary to the contract and terms & conditions.
    03-27-2014 10:32 AM
  12. sinfool's Avatar
    You can't escape the fact that when you sign up for cellular service from a provider you sign a contract that contains certain terms and conditions... enabling a wifi hotspot on devices that don't include that service as a part of their plan, or an added feature to their plan is contrary to the contract and terms & conditions.
    Sure, but as I said, when Unlimited Data customers first signed up, the iPhone was exclusive to AT&T. Tethering wasn't an option & we were all told that the unlimited data would truly be unlimited "without" any restrictions (which it was). This policy was fine & dandy as it persuaded millions of its customers to upgrade/update their contracts... we were all told yes, you'll keep the exact "same" unlimited data when you update when in reality this was obviously a rouse and not the case.

    The fact is, AT&T (& Apple for that matter) realized that as mobile technology started trending & customers started consuming much more data, subsequently their networks began taking a hit. A poor public perception of AT&T service would also project negatively on Apple as a whole. Their solutions, reduce your usage by limiting some apps from functioning on 3G and eventually by throttling. Do you not remember the outrage amongst unlimited data users when AT&T first started implementing the throttling?

    Of course you can argue, well you agreed to the fine print but I will also argue that AT&T's practice of pushing customers to agree to new 2 year contracts by "reassuring" it's customers that their plans will be exactly the same is BS. AT&T & Apple's original exclusivity deal helped them both prosper immensely. Back then, if you wanted an iPhone, it was AT&T or nothing.

    BTW, I'm not saying my opinion regarding tethering is "currently" justifiable but neither was AT&T's bait and switch contract upgrades. Everything isn't so cut & dry. I was just stating that the comment made earlier is NOT necessarily true... "AT&T will catch & change your plan".
    03-27-2014 12:02 PM
  13. Septembersrain's Avatar
    Sorry, this is incorrect.

    I've had the AT&T unlimited data plan since its inception ...back when the iPhone 3G was released and unlimited data was actually "unlimited" like they promised. At that time, they didn't even offer a tethering plan. Subsequetly, I discovered jailbreaking & MyWi. I've been tethering ever since & have never been warned for tethering. Granted, usually I only tether to my iPad but a few times I've checked my email from my laptop.

    The only warnings I ever received from AT&T was when they originally started their throttling BS ...I received a text about approaching the 3GB threshold & was throttled the last 3 days of that month. That only happened once and was unrelated to tethering.

    So, while I obviously disagree that tethering is "stealing"...I also disagree that AT&T will necessarily "catch & charge" you. From my experience & what I've read... being caught depends on how much data you're consuming & what devices you're tethering to.
    Thing is, you're not seeing the real cost of this. You may be getting it "Free" but there are people out there who have to inevitably pay more.

    I used to mod my androids and get free tethering until I realized I'm basically just costing others more.

    Like stealing a pack of gum, it isn't all that big right? However when gum starts costing $5 instead of $1 because everyone is stealing it...


    Sent from the colored one using Tapatalk
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    03-27-2014 02:23 PM
  14. sinfool's Avatar
    Thing is, you're not seeing the real cost of this. You may be getting it "Free" but there are people out there who have to inevitably pay more.

    I used to mod my androids and get free tethering until I realized I'm basically just costing others more.

    Like stealing a pack of gum, it isn't all that big right? However when gum starts costing $5 instead of $1 because everyone is stealing it...


    •Sent from the colored one using Tapatalk•
    If you read my last post, a tethering plan didn't even exist when I first agreed to my unlimited plan so how could I steal it?

    ...but granted, using your logic, that's exactly what AT&T did when they first imposed throttling. They themselves were "stealing"/ acting as their own in house Robin Hood, i.e. "stealing" data speeds from/at the expense of unlimited data users just to compensate for the increased traffic of NEW standard data plan users. Is this fair? Not IMO.

    I'm not defending my opinion in terms of what's relevant with current contracts but....in general, I still feel that data use is data use no matter how you spin it. ...And ultimately, most carriers agree which is why they're now including tethering with most of these package plans. My whole point is throttling was "ONLY" implemented when they realized they couldn't sustain all the data traffic.
    Last edited by sinfool; 03-27-2014 at 03:23 PM.
    03-27-2014 03:02 PM
  15. 3cit's Avatar
    I'm not against tethering and using "your data" (the data you pay for) however you want to.
    I'm just saying, AT&T will catch you.

    I tether, quite frequently since I got my 5s and my kids got iPods for Xmas. Now I turn on MyWi whenever we go on a long ride or kids are having a hard time shopping.
    But, my post is true, and has been documented by many.
    AT&T catches people who tether without authorization, and they punish them for it
    03-27-2014 03:40 PM
  16. sinfool's Avatar
    I'm not against tethering and using "your data" (the data you pay for) however you want to.
    I'm just saying, AT&T will catch you.

    I tether, quite frequently since I got my 5s and my kids got iPods for Xmas. Now I turn on MyWi whenever we go on a long ride or kids are having a hard time shopping.
    But, my post is true, and has been documented by many.
    AT&T catches people who tether without authorization, and they punish them for it
    No, I hear you. I pay for (so called) unlimited data ...But yeah, as far as tethering goes, that's why I'm telling you it isn't necessarily true that they'll catch you. It depends on which devices & how much data you use. Standard iOS devices should be fine (i.e. iPods, iPads etc.). People who get caught are using high amounts of data & they're tethering to PC etc.

    I'm not lying when I said I've been tethering for 6 years. I tether to my iPad from my iP5 nearly everyday. Believe me, just because I don't frequent this forum often, I'm still a well seasoned idevice user.
    03-27-2014 04:12 PM
  17. CaptainTB's Avatar
    So any family plan has free tethering option included?!
    09-24-2014 06:05 PM
  18. natasftw's Avatar
    This really isn't the best thread to revive to ask that. If you have plan questions, why don't you ask your provider? They likely know as they're paid to know
    09-27-2014 02:41 PM
  19. InCali's Avatar
    I was going to read this, but after reading one email, it became clear to me that the "moderator" needed to remove that stick that got stuck. Bye folks.
    10-10-2014 08:39 AM
  20. oldtimerguru's Avatar
    Ok nobody seems to know what there talking about in this forum

    First tethering is not stealing anything , you have a set data amount no matter if you tether or ( personal hot spot ) or not . Your not using anymore data then if your not tethering. There is no difference , so what are you stealing . Nothing you have a set amount of data, it should not matter what you do with it and is why personal hot spots are now included on all apple devices for free

    all apple devices now have free personal hot spots and tethering and is included free in the new cellular contracts

    The people getting cough are the same people stealing cellular service . Thats a fact . There was a time but Its to costly for a cellular company to track down and prosecute a hacked phone if its not stealing service. Hacking and tethering was a breach in contract but not stealing

    All the cellular companies where concerned about at that time was about was overwhelming there hardware with to much data ( cell towers ) at that time the cellular towers and there hardware was not designed for the new smart phones and all the data they use

    Now att just spent the last 3 years upgrading and adding new cellphone towers and it shows

    The reason the ipad2 does not have a personal hot spot is the physical design of the iPad2,
    I not going into that any farther, but has nothing to do with paying for tethering or your contract . Tethering and personal hot spots are now free and included on ipad3 and newer ipads and iPhones

    All new apple devices have personal hot spot and or teathering

    I have been in the computer field for over 4 decades before the first personal computers.

    I have countless computer world records

    I have worked with att and microsoft since before the windows operating system helping resolve issues

    Please dont take this the wong way but i feel as if i am in a kindergarden forum

    Amazing how peaple love to talk of what they not know and even argue over thing when both parties are incorrect. You guys wasting your breath and my time

    Get a life, even better a newer ipad that supports personal hot spots and tethering and stop arguing over spilt milk
    12-20-2014 07:53 AM
  21. kch50428's Avatar
    Ok nobody seems to know what there talking about in this forum
    they're... Pot/kettle...

    Please dont take this the wong way but i feel as if i am in a kindergarden forum
    You're not going to win friends with that attitude... Scroll up to post #36... Reread...
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    12-20-2014 12:46 PM
  22. natasftw's Avatar
    First tethering is not stealing anything , you have a set data amount no matter if you tether or ( personal hot spot ) or not . Your not using anymore data then if your not tethering. There is no difference , so what are you stealing . Nothing you have a set amount of data, it should not matter what you do with it and is why personal hot spots are now included on all apple devices for free
    You're missing their point. Many of the users are on grandfathered unlimited plans. In these settings, any points you make about a "set amount of data" shows you don't understand what infinite really is. For any other plan, their argument is similar to claiming that if you go to a theater with two movies, A and B, and pay for A it is stealing for you to determine you don't like A and go watch B instead. In theory, you spend the same time at the theater. You just added functionality by walking between the two rooms. They view it as stealing. I tend to disagree with the claim. But, that's not the point. You must understand their point to make any claims about their level of understanding in the topic. Start with that.
    The people getting cough are the same people stealing cellular service . Thats a fact . There was a time but Its to costly for a cellular company to track down and prosecute a hacked phone if its not stealing service. Hacking and tethering was a breach in contract but not stealing
    What exactly are you on? Nobody is talking about a "hacked" phone. The conversation of jailbreaking is only relevant as it allows you to install other apps. The providers simply don't care about this. They DO care about the tethering apps. They've also, factually, sent threatening letters to paying subscribers in reference to their tethering. There's several ways to detect this. The apps at the time used a communication means that made it much easier to detect, for one. The fact you brought up isn't relevant. It's like me pointing out beef comes from cows. While factually true, it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. We don't care about providers seeking out jailbroken phones. They seek out both those that tether and those that steal service. Welcome to the conversation.

    Now att just spent the last 3 years upgrading and adding new cellphone towers and it shows
    If we're being fair, we would note having fewer users on a network helps with increased speeds. We should expect the higher data rates to attract more users and bring the network down a bit. But, let's pretend we don't understand how networks work.
    All new apple devices have personal hot spot and or teathering
    That's not the discussion. Please understand the topic before including yourself or feeling the need to bump an old thread to add nothing to the conversation.
    I have been in the computer field for over 4 decades before the first personal computers.
    I have countless computer world records
    I have worked with att and microsoft since before the windows operating system helping resolve issues
    Who are you trying to impress? People that don't understand tech simply won't care. Those that do will know better. Even if we take you at your word, this likely means you work with processor architecture. That has absolutely nothing to do with a discussion of contracts and ethics. That's what this conversation is really about. Your area of expertise doesn't really add anything to your credibility.
    Please dont take this the wong way but i feel as if i am in a kindergarden forum
    Amazing how peaple love to talk of what they not know and even argue over thing when both parties are incorrect. You guys wasting your breath and my time
    You'd fit right in with your inability to spell basic words, grasp elementary logic, or comprehend what you read. You should be proud of one thing: Keith and I rarely see eye to eye. Your offering to the conversation was so beyond asinine we appear to agree on what we think of your opinion.
    Get a life, even better a newer ipad that supports personal hot spots and tethering and stop arguing over spilt milk
    Hopefully, one last time will bring the point home. This statement has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation. The iPad has nothing to do with the contract. It has nothing to do with the ethics of the clauses the provider is adding to the contract. Please, take some time to formulate an educated opinion before bumping any other zombie threads.
    12-22-2014 09:08 PM
  23. 3cit's Avatar
    Did you sign up just to comment on this thread??
    12-23-2014 02:47 AM
  24. cp7's Avatar
    Aren't moderators suppose to keep the damn topics on point? and not derail them to another discussion?

    Now back to the point, is it actually working?
    12-23-2014 06:24 PM
  25. joewalsh91's Avatar
    As am I. And since I have a PREPAID plan I should be able to use what I have already paid for as I wish. Tethering should not be restricted on prepaid plans, locked or unlocked.
    02-10-2015 07:01 PM
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