1. DannyMichel's Avatar
    Look, I'm not going to pretend to be some expert, or that I even know what I'm talking about as this is concerned, but I think the whole jailbreaking and Cydia thing is pretty awesome. I'm not the most optimistic person in the world though, so i had a question about that. I know how apple is about wanting to get every cent that they can out of people, and we also know that they are aware that a good majority of the pwoplw who jailbreak, use it to get free stuff. We also know that they are aware that there is a good percentage of the people out there who have iPhones do jailbreak.

    My question: is it at all possible that they can somehow, if they decide in the future, to crack down on jailbreaking and cydia?
    09-17-2011 09:05 PM
  2. Eileen89's Avatar
    IMHO, Apple has already tried this by the quick little iOS updates that they put out every time an untethered jailbreak becomes available. It's all a cat and mouse game if ya ask me. Apple hasn't been successful at stopping the jailbreakers so far and I doubt they ever will.
    09-17-2011 09:11 PM
  3. DannyMichel's Avatar
    I'm also trying to figure out is why cell phone unlocking receives an exemption and others done
    Unlike cell-phone unlocking (which receives an exemption from the Digital Millennium Copyright Act),
    Hacker says he's unlocked the PS3 – SciTechBlog - CNN.com Blogs
    Library of Congress rules in favor of jailbreaking | TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog
    09-17-2011 09:31 PM
  4. Massie's Avatar
    Not sure what you mean; jailbreaking IS legal, Apple just doesn't have to support it.
    09-17-2011 09:39 PM
  5. DannyMichel's Avatar
    Not sure what you mean; jailbreaking IS legal, Apple just doesn't have to support it.
    if it's illegal, why hasnt the guy that invented it been arrested like the ps3 guy?
    09-17-2011 09:43 PM
  6. Massie's Avatar
    ??? I just said it wasn't illegal. ???
    09-17-2011 10:43 PM
  7. DannyMichel's Avatar
    Not sure what you mean; jailbreaking IS legal, Apple just doesn't have to support it.
    ??? I just said it wasn't illegal. ???
    sorry about that. i meant it the other way around. as stated above, my whole thing is why are cell phones exempt
    09-17-2011 10:46 PM
  8. Massie's Avatar
    Yeah I've often wondered about thatmy best guess is that console devices have bigger lobbying groups behind them since they often have ties to Hollywood and bigger gaming dollars. But I believe the official reason was that jb'ing was allowed so people could use their handsets on a carrier of their choice. Interestingly, it's only legal to do it to your own device.

    There are some good points about it all in these articles:
    The jailbreaking exemption has its limits | News - Politics and Law - CNET News
    Jailbreaking officially granted DMCA exemption | Phones | iOS Central | Macworld
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    09-17-2011 11:18 PM
  9. DannyMichel's Avatar
    Yeah I've often wondered about thatmy best guess is that console devices have bigger lobbying groups behind them since they often have ties to Hollywood and bigger gaming dollars. But I believe the official reason was that jb'ing was allowed so people could use their handsets on a carrier of their choice. Interestingly, it's only legal to do it to your own device.

    There are some good points about it all in these articles:
    The jailbreaking exemption has its limits | News - Politics and Law - CNET News
    Jailbreaking officially granted DMCA exemption | Phones | iOS Central | Macworld
    very good. thanks.
    [edit] just read those. interesting indeed. still kinda cloudy as to how they managed to make it illegal on consoles
    Last edited by dannymichel; 09-18-2011 at 12:28 AM.
    09-18-2011 12:06 AM
  10. liquidzoo's Avatar
    very good. thanks.
    [edit] just read those. interesting indeed. still kinda cloudy as to how they managed to make it illegal on consoles
    Piracy.

    Video game piracy is one of the main reasons to jailbreak a console. Yes there are other things that it can do, but piracy is still rampant. Most people who jailbreak a phone do so for tweaks and customizations that aren't otherwise available and not to pirate games or apps.

    Multimillion dollar (or pound, euro, etc) gaming companies lobby very hard every day to stop piracy. That's why it's illegal on consoles.
    09-19-2011 10:34 AM
  11. Jellotime91's Avatar
    I really dislike your tone. I'm sorry but I believe the developers who work hard to produce the apps on the app store deserve their paycheques, and Apple is no more money-grubbing than any other corporation. I don't like that you are making it seem like Apple is evil because they want to protect their developers from piracy.
    09-19-2011 02:08 PM
  12. liquidzoo's Avatar
    Not sure if that was directed at me, but...

    I'm not saying that app developers shouldn't be protected from piracy. They absolutely should. They work hard and have every right to not have their work pirated.
    09-19-2011 03:33 PM
  13. Massie's Avatar
    Agreed, and I'm not sure the OP meant it any other way either. To me it just sounded like he was worried that piracy would make Apple crack down harder on jailbreaking in general...
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    09-19-2011 03:39 PM
  14. djevolushun's Avatar
    Speaking to a friend of mine in the industry stated that Apple is trying to add something to their phones that will work like windows with windows updates. If your phone doesn't transmit the correct signal then the phone locks down and can't be used. Apparently, jailbreaking your phone removes the signal or whatever it is and renders your phone useless. Of course I don't know how true or possible this really is but I thought it fit this category. Maybe somebody else has heard of this too.
    09-19-2011 04:00 PM
  15. DannyMichel's Avatar
    Speaking to a friend of mine in the industry stated that Apple is trying to add something to their phones that will work like windows with windows updates. If your phone doesn't transmit the correct signal then the phone locks down and can't be used. Apparently, jailbreaking your phone removes the signal or whatever it is and renders your phone useless. Of course I don't know how true or possible this really is but I thought it fit this category. Maybe somebody else has heard of this too.
    wow, if there is any truth to that, it will cause a major uproar. i barely ever jailbroke my iphones in the past and am on a vanilla iphone now, but i can imagine others would be upset
    09-19-2011 04:03 PM
  16. djevolushun's Avatar
    Found this...maybe this is what he was referring to.

    http://technorati.com/technology/gad...o-cease-ios-5/
    09-19-2011 04:11 PM
  17. DannyMichel's Avatar
    Found this...maybe this is what he was referring to.

    Apple Hopes to Cease iOS 5 Jailbreak by Jailbreakers - Technorati Gadgets
    wow. wont really affect me, but that's gonna suck for a good percentage of the people on this forum
    09-19-2011 04:19 PM
  18. djevolushun's Avatar
    Again, at this point it is all speculation so we will have to wait and see what transpires but at least this gives us something to talk about until we know for sure.

    Worrying and speculating are like rocking in a rocking chair...it gives you something to do but it doesn't get you anywhere!
    09-19-2011 04:27 PM
  19. liquidzoo's Avatar
    wow. wont really affect me, but that's gonna suck for a good percentage of the people on this forum
    I've never rolled back, but I can see how this would be problematic to those that do.

    It's not going to stop jailbreaking, though. I read in another thread that the dev team have already said they have found 5 exploits in iOS5 that they can use for a jailbreak.
    09-19-2011 05:09 PM
  20. djevolushun's Avatar
    I hope they can but these are beta's so we will have to see what truly transpires.
    09-19-2011 05:16 PM
  21. DannyMichel's Avatar
    I've never rolled back, but I can see how this would be problematic to those that do.

    It's not going to stop jailbreaking, though. I read in another thread that the dev team have already said they have found 5 exploits in iOS5 that they can use for a jailbreak.
    I hope they can but these are beta's so we will have to see what truly transpires.
    yes, hes right. those are betas. speculation and rumar it may be, but it sounds very plausible. i can imagine it can 'stop' jailbreakers, or at least force them to reinvent it
    09-19-2011 05:25 PM
  22. liquidzoo's Avatar
    The fact that they are betas is the reason that no untethered jailbreak has been released for iOS5 yet. No sense revealing the hole before a final product is out.

    However, you are correct. We will see what happens when the final is released to the general public.
    09-20-2011 09:43 AM
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