1. JohnH59's Avatar
    How would connecting MyWi from iPhone to iPad via Bluetooth (On Demand) show up?
    03-21-2011 03:14 PM
  2. xalittlegirlx's Avatar
    I think this is just a scare tactic. if you are on a two year contract with a grandfathered unlimited data plan (like I am because I carried it into my iPhone 4 upgrade last year) if they are going to change the terms of your contract without your permission that should be grounds to be able to terminate that contract without ETF.

    I would consider "heavy" or "high" data usage to be between 5-10GB and going up from there.

    there were always issues with customers when they had those Data Connect Laptop plans for 5GB was $60 per month. They were sold to customers in stores as "Unlimited" laptop connect plans and then AT&T starting dinging accounts with over 5 GB usage over consistent billing cycles because in actuality, that was the plan threshold.

    They gave those customers an option to change to a plan where after 5GB they would be paying per data transfer rate above that (dont remember what it was) or they could terminate their contract without penalty because of "false advertising at point of sale"

    the number that is in those e-mails about the first poster is probably some "Excessive Data Usage" team that take calls for cases like this iphone deal and also for other devices that are tagged on the network as using too much data per month and also Excessive roaming within U.S.

    I wouldn't worry about it and if they did try something like that on my account I would call and raise Cain because my contract says I have an unlimited plan and that is that!
    03-21-2011 07:22 PM
  3. Fausty82's Avatar
    I think this is just a scare tactic. if you are on a two year contract with a grandfathered unlimited data plan (like I am because I carried it into my iPhone 4 upgrade last year) if they are going to change the terms of your contract without your permission that should be grounds to be able to terminate that contract without ETF.

    I would consider "heavy" or "high" data usage to be between 5-10GB and going up from there.

    there were always issues with customers when they had those Data Connect Laptop plans for 5GB was $60 per month. They were sold to customers in stores as "Unlimited" laptop connect plans and then AT&T starting dinging accounts with over 5 GB usage over consistent billing cycles because in actuality, that was the plan threshold.

    They gave those customers an option to change to a plan where after 5GB they would be paying per data transfer rate above that (dont remember what it was) or they could terminate their contract without penalty because of "false advertising at point of sale"

    the number that is in those e-mails about the first poster is probably some "Excessive Data Usage" team that take calls for cases like this iphone deal and also for other devices that are tagged on the network as using too much data per month and also Excessive roaming within U.S.

    I wouldn't worry about it and if they did try something like that on my account I would call and raise Cain because my contract says I have an unlimited plan and that is that!

    The problem with your argument is that AT&T isn't changing anything about the terms of their contract... the contract says that tethering is NOT allowed under the unlimited data plan... if you want to tether, you need a TETHERING plan... so technically you are already in violation of the terms of your contract... so legally they COULD cancel your contract and charge you the ETF... odds are very good that that will not happen, but they have the right to do so...

    And yes, it's probably a scare tactic... find a "poster boy" type of abuser, throw the book at them and watch everyone else fall back into line... I suspect that will happen to a couple of people then this will all blow over... is tethering against the terms of your contract? Yes. Is it a huge deal for the casual tetherer? Not at all... Let's just wait and see what happens...

    Then again, this guy (NOT Woody, but the "friend" that he references) is just begging for it...
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    03-21-2011 07:42 PM
  4. Lanulos's Avatar
    How would connecting MyWi from iPhone to iPad via Bluetooth (On Demand) show up?
    I think you are asking about tethering your iPad through your iPhone with MyWi on your phone? The packets from your iPad start out with TTL=64 but after going through your phone would arrive at AT&T with TTL=63 which would indicate tethering. AT&T is expecting TTL=64 for packets originating from your phone.
    03-21-2011 08:05 PM
  5. Lanulos's Avatar
    Changing the TTL on the iPad would be an excellent feature enhancement for MyWi !
    I answered your post before but I just realized that I might have misinterpreted it. What would be great would be if MyFi could make every outgoing packet from the phone to AT&T have TTL=64. I don't know if MyFi has the low level access to the packets that it would need to do that though.
    03-21-2011 08:24 PM
  6. Fausty82's Avatar
    Any messages from them while using pdanet?
    I am not sure it has anything to do with the tethering app... it's a matter of inspecting the packets and seeing the value of the TTL setting for those packets... looks like AT&T is setting/expecting certain values, and based on the values returned, can determine whether or not tethering is occurring...

    Again, I am personally taking a "wait and see" attitude... I think it's more sabre-rattling than anything else... and until they actually start forcing people off of the unlimited data plans and putting them on 2GB plans AND tethering plans, there's probably not a lot to worry about wether you're using mywi, pdanet or something else...
    03-22-2011 01:23 AM
  7. bumblbe's Avatar
    Mywi has a bluetooth function that tethers an iPad to the iPhone via bluetooth.
    Would this circumvent the TTL number thought to be the way that AT&T catches tethering??
    03-26-2011 07:05 AM
  8. Lanulos's Avatar
    Mywi has a bluetooth function that tethers an iPad to the iPhone via bluetooth.
    Would this circumvent the TTL number thought to be the way that AT&T catches tethering??
    Not as I understand it. I think you are still sending a packet through a node (the phone) which would still decrement the TTL number. I could be wrong because I am not the world's expert on this. But from what I've read that is what would happen.
    03-27-2011 10:38 AM
  9. bumblbe's Avatar
    FWIW
    I downloaded User Agent Faker from Cydia and have my iPad set to identify itself as the same string as my iPhone (custom).
    I rarely tether, I have unlimited data, but when I tether I do not want to be forced into a higher priced lower data plan.
    Hopefully this will help
    Bill
    04-01-2011 08:20 AM
  10. bergman's Avatar
    Does User Agent Faker have a setting to spoof the TTL or are you just making your iPad Safari look like the iPhone Safari?
    04-01-2011 08:29 AM
  11. bumblbe's Avatar
    I'm just making my iPad Safari look like the iPhone Safari
    Hope this helps
    04-01-2011 10:01 AM
  12. EasTexAg's Avatar
    The iPhone 4 is my first iPhone. I was a big BB user before the switch. I used an app called "Tether" with my last BB. I still get emails from websites that sell BB apps and they are still promoting the Tether app. Is this only a problem with the iPhone or are they doing the same for other platforms? And this has all been with AT&T.
    04-01-2011 05:03 PM
  13. macharborguy's Avatar
    FWIW
    I downloaded User Agent Faker from Cydia and have my iPad set to identify itself as the same string as my iPhone (custom).
    I rarely tether, I have unlimited data, but when I tether I do not want to be forced into a higher priced lower data plan.
    Hopefully this will help
    Bill
    Keep in mind that you are openly and actively using your iPhone's data plan against the terms of your contract, a contract that you agreed to and signed when you got your phone. If you don't want to risk getting put into a higher priced lower data plan, don't tether. If you want to tether, go to at&t and switch your data/tethering plan.
    04-01-2011 06:02 PM
  14. bumblbe's Avatar
    Thanks but I feel that you are taking a hard line.
    I pay 45$ a month as my work requires an enterprise data plan.
    For a very infrequent use of tethering I should lose this and go to a 2 gb cap??
    I use very little data.
    It's a shame that AT&T is so big that a real dialog between users and the company is not possible or that a real contract vs a "one size fits all" cannot be done
    04-01-2011 06:51 PM
  15. macharborguy's Avatar
    Thanks but I feel that you are taking a hard line.
    I pay 45$ a month as my work requires an enterprise data plan.
    For a very infrequent use of tethering I should lose this and go to a 2 gb cap??
    I use very little data.
    It's a shame that AT&T is so big that a real dialog between users and the company is not possible or that a real contract vs a "one size fits all" cannot be done
    When it comes to business law, as well as contracts, there is only the hard line. The line isnt fussy just because you disagree, and if you do disagree you had the chance to voice that before signing the contract. It's as simple as that. Either agree and follow the terms of the contract, or don't and accept the consequences spelled out in that contract.

    Do I agree with the contract from a personal opinion, not so much. It could be better and more reasonable, however, I made the decision that I could deal with the contact. It will take far more than a few people that disagree with the contract terms to change AT&T's position. It would take a mass of people to do so, a majority of AT&T's users, and will that ever happen? Nope.


    My suggestion to everyone out there is to take some initiative, read your contract start to finish, and become knowledgable in what you signed. If you already have, good on you, defend yourself if you have found that you have a defendable position.
    04-02-2011 10:33 AM
  16. Fausty82's Avatar
    When it comes to business law, as well as contracts, there is only the hard line. The line isnt fussy just because you disagree, and if you do disagree you had the chance to voice that before signing the contract. It's as simple as that. Either agree and follow the terms of the contract, or don't and accept the consequences spelled out in that contract.

    Do I agree with the contract from a personal opinion, not so much. It could be better and more reasonable, however, I made the decision that I could deal with the contact. It will take far more than a few people that disagree with the contract terms to change AT&T's position. It would take a mass of people to do so, a majority of AT&T's users, and will that ever happen? Nope.

    My suggestion to everyone out there is to take some initiative, read your contract start to finish, and become knowledgable in what you signed. If you already have, good on you, defend yourself if you have found that you have a defendable position.
    Exactly. And whether or not we consumers take the "hard line", we know for a fact that AT&T is... and based on the contract that we all (at least all AT&T customers) signed, they are within their rights to do so.

    While I agree that the contract may be excessive, we all willingly signed it, so that becomes moot very quickly.
    04-02-2011 10:49 AM
  17. BLiNK's Avatar
    macharborguy, unfortunately everything you have mentioned is indeed exactly right. in fact, even if the whole entire jailbreak community were to try to change AT&T's position it would most definitely not make a difference

    i recently jailbroke again and have not loaded MyWi back onto my device... yet

    that being said, i guess all i can really say is it was a good run and i am money ahead?

    however, what frustrates me is the fact IF i do decide to use AT&T's tethering option i will lose my unlimited data plan
    04-02-2011 01:04 PM
  18. Fausty82's Avatar
    however, what frustrates me is the fact IF i do decide to use AT&T's tethering option i will lose my unlimited data plan
    ... and that, my friend, is the rub.

    I am sure no one has any doubt on where I stand on this issue overall, it really bothers me that AT&T wants to have their cake and eat it too. Yes, using the tethering apps without paying for tethering service is a violation of the ToS, and therefore, is morally wrong (IMHO), I can see the other side if the issue - that AT&T is forcing/daring you to use them.

    You are paying $30/month for "unlimited" data (that's a whole 'nother discussion), but NOT letting you tether for that $30. And IF you do play by their rules and get a tether plan, you CANNOT have "unlimited" data. That is just plain stupid. AT&T needs to get off the dime and state their position: either you get "unlimited" data for $30 or you don't. They should charge $30 for unlimited data and let you use it however you want. Or they give you 2GB for $20 and let you use that however you want. But the whole concept of charging $20 for tethering AND $20 for 2GB (and $10/GB for overage) is flat out wrong on so many levels...
    04-02-2011 01:14 PM
  19. smileyboy's Avatar
    I only do 3-7 gbs a month. I didn't get a letter or text, my friend did he uses 80-90gb a month.... I didn't think that was possible.
    04-03-2011 02:24 PM
  20. twild's Avatar
    I want to jailbreak to be able to tether my ipad, but after reading this I'm not too sure :S
    04-04-2011 09:48 AM
  21. sting7k's Avatar
    Thanks but I feel that you are taking a hard line.
    I pay 45$ a month as my work requires an enterprise data plan.
    For a very infrequent use of tethering I should lose this and go to a 2 gb cap??
    I use very little data.
    It's a shame that AT&T is so big that a real dialog between users and the company is not possible or that a real contract vs a "one size fits all" cannot be done
    What do you mean real contract vs. one size fits all cannot be done?

    They did the one size fits all model for over 3 years and we almost brought the network down with exploding data use. It's supply and demand. Demand is high for mobile data and supply is low. They are going to charge more for those who use a lot.

    They don't care what you think it should be because you are telling them it's ok by paying them every month. It's nothing personal, it's business. Take your money else where and they will get the message.
    04-04-2011 10:15 AM
  22. bumblbe's Avatar
    What I mean is that I am on the $45/month enterprise data plan (unlimited) for my work.
    The tethering data plan is $45 for 2 gb but is not the enterprise plan.
    I cannot tether and keep the enterprise plan.
    If I did get the tethering plan AT&T would not make more money.
    If this was a deal negotiated between 2 parties, I'm sure that we could reach an understanding, but as I cannot directly deal with an AT&T contract negotiator I cannot resolve this legally.
    04-07-2011 07:25 PM
  23. swampbaby's Avatar
    I have a question: for those of you who say that theft of paid apps aren't condoned here within this forum (which I agree with by the way) then why is it that so many of you swear by MyWi and othe tethering apps available via Cydia? Wouldn't the use of said apps count as theft of data that we aren't paying for from our carriers?
    04-08-2011 01:24 AM
  24. Scatabrain's Avatar
    I have a question: for those of you who say that theft of paid apps aren't condoned here within this forum (which I agree with by the way) then why is it that so many of you swear by MyWi and othe tethering apps available via Cydia? Wouldn't the use of said apps count as theft of data that we aren't paying for from our carriers?
    I pay for tethering currently but i kind of understand the idea that the carriers are porking people for tethering when their bill is way high already. To steal an app is taking money from the little guy making an honest buck rather then a really big bully taking advantage.

    Some people cite huge #s thru miwi. Thats just not smart and crosses the line OMHO. They will certainly eventually get caught.

    As much as it stinks that ATT is cracking down they could have done it in a much less nice way by delivering a $1000 bill or more for the usage off of the plan. Big red has done that to people occassionaly in the past.
    04-08-2011 01:41 AM
  25. swampbaby's Avatar
    I agree with you. I was just questioning why so many would praise MyWi in the way that that they do. I'll be honest I've bought the MyWi app and am grandfathered in on AT&T's unlimited data plan. Does that mean I'm using MyWi every waking moment of the day using up crazy amounts of data? No. I've used it a couple of times in the past but always find myself turning it off after a few minutes of use as I feel guilty using a "privilege" that I'm not actually paying for.

    Do I think AT&T's pricing structure for those of us who want tethering is fair? Hell no. Not by a long shot.
    04-08-2011 09:30 AM
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