1. Jeremy's Avatar
    Don't say I did not warn you about sim unlocks... according to the Dev Team with the new firmware 2.2, Apple has rendered them USELESS... Like I said, I warned you guys who chose this path...

    "The use of SIM-Proxies (small circuit boards/chips that sit underneath the SIM card) to provide GSM/UMTS service on your locked iPhone 3G is a method that we have always advised against. Early reports suggest that the 2.2 update disables the functionality of these devices. The techniques used were always unreliable and we are surprised that they have lasted this long."

    *I have heard rumblings that SIM unlocks may be releasing a update for them to work with 2.2. This is just a rumor so take it with a grain of salt.
    Last edited by Jeremy Sikora; 12-03-2008 at 02:48 PM.
    11-21-2008 02:04 PM
  2. RyoSaeba's Avatar
    I don't get it... what is there to warn?? I read this everywhere as if they found a solution before the sim-unlocker people did. And what's about this "path?" With this "path", I can still choose any path I wish! It's not like it's non reversible. You and everyone who quoted them sound very ignorant and a bit jealous over people who bought turbosims and have enjoyed their iPhone 3G since that purchase.

    The iPhone 3G is still software locked. The turbosims are the ONLY way to unlock them as for as right now. Are they just jealous because they couldn't unlock the iPhone 3G as fast as the turbosimer's did? What did they think we should of done? Let's see:

    1. Wait while we twiddle our thumbs with our iPhone 3G being useless for the Dev Team to come up with a software unlock solution that we do not know when it will come....

    or

    2. Buy a cheap $15 turbosim that is proven to work (in most cases) AND proven to be 100% reversible AND enjoy our iPhone 3G NOW while we wait for the Dev Team to come up with a software unlock solution that we do not know when it will come...

    Heck, worse case, I won't update to 2.2 until a new turbosim comes out OR a software unlock is provided... so I miss out on a few minor updates of 2.2... big deal... Better then the Dev Team's solution to "not get a turbosim." Hell, they even tell people not to update to 2.2 yet! What is this????

    They are cheap enough that even if does not work with 2.2, it is worth every penny since it does worked with 2.1 and I've been using mine for the past 2 months. Full signal, EDGE works, calls are clear, and I get to show it off to everyone!

    I will gladly spend another $15 for another one that works with 2.2, and 2.3, and 2.4, and 2.5. Better then not being able to enjoy my iPhone 3G.

    I'd bet that the turbosimers will come out with a 2.2 unlocker before the iPhone Dev team comes out with a 2.1 soft unlock... If I spend $650 for my iPhone 3G, I'd gladly spend $15 to enjoy it now rather then wait... and wait... and wait... and wait... and wait... and wait... and wait... and wait... and wait... and wait... and wait... and wait... and wait...
    Last edited by RyoSaeba; 11-22-2008 at 12:06 AM.
    11-21-2008 11:57 PM
  3. Jeremy's Avatar
    Hmmm... There are other reasons not to use them and not to mention they are very unreliable. I can't even tell you how many people have come to me with issues - all using this crap. But to each his own. Whatever works for you. Thats awesome then. Good luck.
    11-22-2008 12:06 AM
  4. RyoSaeba's Avatar
    It's not luck or no luck... There will always be problems with everything... This is not saying that people who use soft unlock do not have problems as well...

    It's funny that the Dev Team says people who use turbsims are ruined [if we update] so fast while they warn people to not update to 2.2 while they figure out how to bypass the baseband upgrade...

    Correct me if I'm wrong... if they come out with a 2.2 update that does not update the baseband, wouldn't the current turbosims still work???
    11-22-2008 12:16 AM
  5. Jeremy's Avatar
    It's not luck or no luck... There will always be problems with everything... This is not saying that people who use soft unlock do not have problems as well...

    It's funny that the Dev Team says people who use turbsims are ruined [if we update] so fast while they warn people to not update to 2.2 while they figure out how to bypass the baseband upgrade...

    Correct me if I'm wrong... if they come out with a 2.2 update that does not update the baseband, wouldn't the current turbosims still work???
    I don't know why you are so hostile towards the Dev Team. They don't even sell their software so they have no reason to be dishonest with you.

    As for your question, I don't think these hardware sim hacks are being disabled due to the baseband update. At least the Dev Team has not stated that is the reason. For more information I suggest you try their blog. Maybe you can get a answer from them.
    11-22-2008 12:24 AM
  6. RyoSaeba's Avatar
    Oh don't get me wrong... They are great and they have been doing a wonderful job since the first software unlock...

    I just did not see a reason why they have to tell people NOT to use or even try turbosims. If using the turbosims were non reversible or could brick your iPhone, I would totally understand but this isn't the case... and they don't cost an arm and a leg... most dealers will refund your money if it doesn't work so I don't see a reason NOT to try one while we wait for them to come up with a soft unlock....

    That part of their announcement was just uncalled for... and so are people who are quoting them on that...
    11-22-2008 12:34 AM
  7. Jeremy's Avatar
    Oh don't get me wrong... They are great and they have been doing a wonderful job since the first software unlock...

    I just did not see a reason why they have to tell people NOT to use or even try turbosims. If using the turbosims were non reversible or could brick your iPhone, I would totally understand but this isn't the case... and they don't cost an arm and a leg... most dealers will refund your money if it doesn't work so I don't see a reason NOT to try one while we wait for them to come up with a soft unlock....

    That part of their announcement was just uncalled for... and so are people who are quoting them on that...
    Not sure if you read this but it may help shed some more light on the situation for you.

    "Weve been monitoring the whole SIM-card unlock proxy-SIM situation. This involves using a chip that is attached to your SIM card (with a small modification to your SIM) or sometimes a small PCB soldered inside the phone. These sim mods so far seem very very very questionable. Zf has found that they use trickery of the GSM and UMTS network that is considered highly illegal in most countries and they rely on sending bogus IMSIs and various other nasty hacks to obtain service on your iPhone. A couple of our members have worked out how this all works and well try to publish our findings soon. DevTeam recommendation: Steer clear, dont use!"
    11-22-2008 12:37 AM
  8. RyoSaeba's Avatar
    yup.. read that somewhere else long time ago... downloading music is illegal as well... did people stop? RIAA sends letters to people houses asking people to pay money... did this stop people from downloading music?

    Lots of things are illegal in this digital age but it still hasn't stop people from breaking the law. AFAIK, there hasn't been one single arrest or fines from people using turbosims. When they come knocking on my door, my turbosim is the last thing I'll be worrying about... I'll have to scramble to delete the 2TB of HD movies I have!!!
    11-22-2008 12:47 AM
  9. Jeremy's Avatar
    yup.. read that somewhere else long time ago... downloading music is illegal as well... did people stop? RIAA sends letters to people houses asking people to pay money... did this stop people from downloading music?

    Lots of things are illegal in this digital age but it still hasn't stop people from breaking the law. AFAIK, there hasn't been one single arrest or fines from people using turbosims. When they come knocking on my door, my turbosim is the last thing I'll be worrying about... I'll have to scramble to delete the 2TB of HD movies I have!!!
    I think you are overlooking the more important reliability factor. Like I said, I have seen more and more people with issues more than anything else while using those things. Far way more issues than any software unlock has ever created. But like I said, if it works for you, then stick with it. That pretty much sums it up. Won't stop me from being anti-sim unlocks...
    11-22-2008 12:50 AM
  10. RyoSaeba's Avatar
    That's because people who don't have problems don't posts about it... do you really know how many people don't have problems vs people who have problems?

    Again, for $15 and most places refundable and will not damage your iPhone, I think it's worth a try... worse case is you're out $15 and you go back to waiting for a soft unlock...

    For being virtually risk free and the ONLY 3G unlock solution at the moment, I just don't see why you have to be anti-sim unlock...
    11-22-2008 01:06 AM
  11. Jeremy's Avatar
    That's because people who don't have problems don't posts about it... do you really know how many people don't have problems vs people who have problems?

    Again, for $15 and most places refundable and will not damage your iPhone, I think it's worth a try... worse case is you're out $15 and you go back to waiting for a soft unlock...

    For being virtually risk free and the ONLY 3G unlock solution at the moment, I just don't see why you have to be anti-sim unlock...
    I've given my reasons. Like I said, to each his/her own. That's what makes this country so good, it lets us, as individuals choose what we want and don't want. I can ask you a similar question, why do you have to be pro-sim unlocks? Especially since a software unlock is "hours" away...? Goodnight.
    11-22-2008 01:10 AM
  12. RyoSaeba's Avatar
    Put it this way, I'm pro "whatever works." And the soft unlock was said to be available "hours away" 2 months ago when I got my turbosim. It seems the soft unlock is really tougher then they thought... and to each passing day, it seems less and less likely they will be available before another firmware update. Which at that time they will have to do it all pretty much over again... Seems Apple is really winning this cat and mouse game...
    11-22-2008 01:43 AM
  13. Jeremy's Avatar
    Put it this way, I'm pro "whatever works." And the soft unlock was said to be available "hours away" 2 months ago when I got my turbosim. It seems the soft unlock is really tougher then they thought... and to each passing day, it seems less and less likely they will be available before another firmware update. Which at that time they will have to do it all pretty much over again... Seems Apple is really winning this cat and mouse game...
    They already announced that everything is set to go, now its just the implementation. They are going to be testing now, just like they always do before release... like I said, expect it soon.
    11-22-2008 09:33 AM
  14. sethclifford's Avatar
    RyoSaeba: First off, after reading this, I can't understand why your tone is so confrontational. No one's telling you what you can't do with your phone, and while you seem to understand that, you've continued a dialogue that doesn't even reach a logical conclusion. But that's your prerogative.

    That being said, what the Dev Team is doing is completely going against the grain of everything Apple is doing on their software. They are the primary go-to solution for iPhone jailbreaking, and I would have to imagine that as they have gained that level of notoriety, they want to take certain steps on their part to uphold the good relationship they've fostered in the iPhone community.

    Which would be why they recommended not using the methods you've described above. It was their recommendation, not the word of God. If you don't want to listen to it, you don't have to. But then you can't hold them responsible when your hardware ceases to work the way you expect it to. They're providing a service, free-of-charge, to a large population. As software developers, on any level, they feel (rightly so) that they have a responsibility to be honest with their user base.

    Good luck with the turbosims. Stop attacking Bad Ash for quoting a group of invaluable developers. It's just not necessary.
    11-22-2008 11:45 AM
  15. Jeremy's Avatar
    RyoSaeba: First off, after reading this, I can't understand why your tone is so confrontational. No one's telling you what you can't do with your phone, and while you seem to understand that, you've continued a dialogue that doesn't even reach a logical conclusion. But that's your prerogative.

    That being said, what the Dev Team is doing is completely going against the grain of everything Apple is doing on their software. They are the primary go-to solution for iPhone jailbreaking, and I would have to imagine that as they have gained that level of notoriety, they want to take certain steps on their part to uphold the good relationship they've fostered in the iPhone community.

    Which would be why they recommended not using the methods you've described above. It was their recommendation, not the word of God. If you don't want to listen to it, you don't have to. But then you can't hold them responsible when your hardware ceases to work the way you expect it to. They're providing a service, free-of-charge, to a large population. As software developers, on any level, they feel (rightly so) that they have a responsibility to be honest with their user base.

    Good luck with the turbosims. Stop attacking Bad Ash for quoting a group of invaluable developers. It's just not necessary.
    Wow, someone who actually gets what I've been saying in this thread!
    11-22-2008 12:47 PM
  16. technogeekchris's Avatar
    Hi, i have an IPHONE 3G running on turbosim. Can you please help me jailbreak this Iphone. Will the turbosim will work even after the jailbreak? I have 2.1 and would like to keep same firmware. I heard people who upgraded to 2.2 and turbosim didnt work. How about for 2.1? Can you please help me jailbreak my 2.1 IPHONE 3G. I only have a Windows Vista and waht tool i need for jailbreak? I have some questions:

    1) Shall i remove the turbosim and chip before the jailbreak?
    2) after jailbreak, i can put turbosim and will it work?
    3) i heard i need to activare in jailbreak, where can i find this in the steps and what is this for?
    4) Do I still need to use the original AT&T sim, for i dont have that now.? I have the turbosim only for my BAHRAIN midlle east SIM?
    5) Will I be able to sync thru Itunes - in turbosim i dont have issues on synchronizing.?

    thanks, chris
    11-25-2008 03:32 AM
  17. MrEClass's Avatar
    Hey there! Check out this iPhoneDevTeam's site here and I believe you are under the section "SIM Free/SP Unlocked/Factory Unlocked iPhone 3G
    11-25-2008 11:57 AM
  18. Jeremy's Avatar
    2.1 will still work. 2.2 will not. It's that easy.
    11-25-2008 01:03 PM
  19. omerrozen's Avatar
    that is somewhat a contradiction to the following site: blog.iphone-dev.org | The man from DelMonte - He say Yes!
    which recomends upgrading to 2.2 any comments?
    11-26-2008 01:05 PM
  20. Jeremy's Avatar
    that is somewhat a contradiction to the following site: blog.iphone-dev.org | The man from DelMonte - He say Yes!
    which recomends upgrading to 2.2 any comments?
    The link you posted it says nothing about using Sim Adapter hacks. If you read the blog post before that particular one they go into more detail about it.

    "The use of SIM-Proxies (small circuit boards/chips that sit underneath the SIM card) to provide GSM/UMTS service on your locked iPhone 3G is a method that we have always advised against. Early reports suggest that the 2.2 update disables the functionality of these devices. The techniques used were always unreliable and we are surprised that they have lasted this long."
    11-26-2008 01:10 PM
  21. Mander66's Avatar
    iHello iAll, and I hate to post on a dead horse but here is my first posting details.....


    I recently made a trip back home (St. Louis) and managed to get one of those really cool iPhone 3G 16GB iPhones on ebay that came with a gevey turbosim card. I live in Sweden, and will be working here for at least another...... well at least until the end of this year...... Well at least until the end of today...... (Global Economic Crisis joke inserted here. I did NOT want to pay the ridiculous monthly fee here in Sweden for the iPhone off the shelf contract they have here which is FAR more expensive than the AT & T ones). I thought I had made a great decision in getting an ...well here is the direct Caption listed in ebay "Apple iPhone 3G Black 16gb NIB Unlocked and Jailbroken" I guess I must own the most expensive iTouch in Europe, or am I not alone? What are my options? if any? am I truly Gris Knullad? (Swedish) Sorry again to beat a dead horse but... any comments or recommendations will be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks in advance!
    Mander66
    11-28-2008 11:48 AM
  22. omerrozen's Avatar
    Bad Ash, being the Iphone god maybe u can save me! I bought Iphone 3G 16GB with gevey turbosim(threw ebay) the moment i turn on the screen i see the sign of USB cord and a arrow pointing to itunes....... I cant do anything to pass that stage! I saw a lot of other people in other forums that had the same problem. if you can point out a solution so i can save myself and point them all to this blog on how to save themselves will defiantly get you on mine and other people HOLY list.
    Please be our saviour! :-)
    11-28-2008 09:23 PM
  23. MrEClass's Avatar
    @Mander66: I would love to help but I am really not sure what you are asking. Sorry, but sometimes I get with all the words haha

    @omerrozen: Sounds like you need to do a restore...what iTunes are you using, OS for computer, and what firmware (if you know) is the iPhone running?
    12-01-2008 01:05 PM
  24. Stuartino's Avatar
    I recd this email this morning from RebelSIM who supplied my SIM adapter card.
    I guess if one company can do it then they all can(eventually).

    But it should be remembered that if you ever want to use a software unlock(in the hopefully near future) then the dev team say NOT to upgrade to 2.2.

    Dear Rebel User,

    Great News for you !!

    Our engineers have now cracked the new Apple iPhone 3G 2.2 Security.

    Do not purchase a new unlocking simcard from other companies who would like to charge you 30.

    Their is no need to buy a new one as the latest firmware of rebel simcard which we are publishing tomorrow can be used on all existing rebel simcard using the rebel compact and full size programmers.

    Both the versions of rebel simcard can be updated
    Rebel simcard cut versions - ok to update
    Rebel simcard no cut version - ok to update

    See the Video below to see the iphone 3g 2.2 being unlocked with rebel simcard.
    Video: Rebel simcard unlocking iphone 3g v2.2 with v2.28 latest baseband firmware

    We will email all of the existing 50,000 rebel simcard users worldwide over the the next couple of day to give the Good news that the download of the new firmware has been posted on the website.

    Rebel Simcard Development Team
    Solutions Point Limited

    Happy Rebelling!
    12-03-2008 03:57 AM
  25. Robbie#IM's Avatar
    Hey everyone, I'm using a 3G iphone with a SIM proxy, all was well before I updated to 2.2, here is what I did:
    - Downloaded the 2.2 update and updated, without thinking. I've been able to successfully allow my iphone to connect to itunes AFTER removing the proxied SIM card, but even if iTunes detects my proxied SIM, I STILL DID NOT GET LOCKED OUT.
    - iTunes detects my unofficial proxied SIM, any attempts to restart the iphone is unsuccessful, all show "NO SERVICE".
    - A even dumber move: I then tried to restore my iPhone, without thinking, with 2.2.
    - Now I need to activate the iPhone again through iTunes, but I can not do that with my proxied SIM card, which is not official.
    - My iPhone just shows me a USB cord connecting to iTunes, and if I insert my proxied SIM card, iTunes tells me my SIM is invalid.

    I am confused as to what I can do:
    - How do I downgrade the baseband firmware to 2.1? I have downloaded the 2.1 firmware but am having trouble installing it. Putting the iPhone in restore mode by holding the sleep and home buttons did not work well, iTunes could not select the downloaded firmware.
    - I activated the iphone without problems when I got it, when it was still in 2.1, even with the proxied SIM.

    PLEASE, any solutions would be highly appreciated, as this iPhone is very important to what I do.
    Thanks
    Robbie
    12-03-2008 11:22 PM
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