1. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I’m always amazed at people, after claiming to have done research on the latest smartphone brands, choose the iPhone and then complain about it not having the capabilities they need although the other brands do. Shouldn’t their complaint be to themselves for their own poor decision? Seriously! If you had done the research like you’ve claimed then you should have known that the iPhone was not the right device for your specific needs and that leads me to ask why did you buy the iPhone instead of the device that best suited your needs?
    09-03-2017 08:50 AM
  2. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    I think the problem is that people become extremely invested in a particular ecosystem. For me to leave Apple and switch to Android, for example, would be very costly. So these users are essentially “stuck” and can only hope that Apple innovates at the level they desire.

    Honestly, I understand the frustration. I’m not at all dissatisfied with Apple (my feelings are quite contrary) but many arguments can be made that Apple lacks features that competitors have been offering for a while now. They’re buying Apple devices to have the latest of what APPLE offers but they’re still wanting more.
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    09-03-2017 08:58 AM
  3. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I think the problem is that people become extremely invested in a particular ecosystem. For me to leave Apple and switch to Android, for example, would be very costly. So these users are essentially “stuck” and can only hope that Apple innovates at the level they desire.

    Honestly, I understand the frustration. I’m not at all dissatisfied with Apple (my feelings are quite contrary) but many arguments can be made that Apple lacks features that competitors have been offering for a while now. They’re buying Apple devices to have the latest of what APPLE offers but they’re still wanting more.
    No no no. I understand all of that. I’m referring to the decision to purchase a device that didn’t fit their smartphone needs without any ecosystem investment. I suppose I should have mentioned that.
    09-03-2017 09:01 AM
  4. TgeekB's Avatar
    If you want the latest features, no matter how poorly they work, get Android. I don't mind Apple perfecting things slowly. That has always been their objective and it's well know. People should know that before buying.
    09-03-2017 09:01 AM
  5. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    No no no. I understand all of that. I’m referring to the decision to purchase a device that didn’t fit their smartphone needs without any ecosystem investment. I suppose I should have mentioned that.
    Oh gotcha. Well that’s their own darn fault then lol! Don’t spend a bunch of money on a device and then complain that it doesn’t have the features you wanted. If you want the latest bells and whistles buy a Samsung. Apple has little interest in being first to market.
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    09-03-2017 09:05 AM
  6. Tpence2177's Avatar
    I feel like it's a cultural thing now. People are being raised with no consequences for their actions and are getting a false sense of entitlement. That tied in with large companies being demonized now everywhere leads to everyone feeling whatever smartphone brand they buy owes them (fill in the blank). It's definitely rightful to expect certain things out of expensive objects, but you should at least do your part in researching each phone your interested in and get the one that meets your needs the best. I think Apple gets a lot of flack because people see them everywhere so they must think they work for everyone and blindly get them for a status object. I remember the first computer my parents ever got was a windows 95 computer. It cost 3 grand and wouldn't even get online. Yes a thousand dollar iPhone is expensive but technology products do way more for way less now a days than they used to. Heck my parents paid $800 for a 27 inch Sony flat screen when they first came out and it was only 720p now that was 10 plus years ago and the thing still runs like a champ but you can buy a 55 inch 4K tv for $400ish now.
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    09-03-2017 09:17 AM
  7. nikkisharif's Avatar
    People just love to complain and never want to take responsibility for their actions. It's Apple's fault they didn't get what they wanted, even though Apple never said they had it.
    09-03-2017 09:37 AM
  8. DEman19901's Avatar
    If you want the latest features, no matter how poorly they work, get Android. I don't mind Apple perfecting things slowly. That has always been their objective and it's well know. People should know that before buying.
    Apple is not perfecting things any more than Samsung or any other top Android phone makers. They are so far behind that's why all of the major updates for the iPhoneX. This is coming from someone who is not so narrow minded to stick to one platform. I buy the latest iPhone and Android phone every year. I currently do not have a current flagship Android phone because I sold my S7 Edge waiting on the Pixel 2. I am using an iPhone 7 until the X comes out. I have no need to bash the other platform because they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
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    09-03-2017 10:14 AM
  9. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    ...This is coming from someone who is not so narrow minded to stick to one platform....
    Wait a minute! Narrow minded? That’s a bit harsh, don’t you think? I mean, is it wrong for someone to find the one thing that does everything they need it to do and then stick with it? Is being at peace also being narrow minded?
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    09-03-2017 10:21 AM
  10. TgeekB's Avatar
    Apple is not perfecting things any more than Samsung or any other top Android phone makers. They are so far behind that's why all of the major updates for the iPhoneX. This is coming from someone who is not so narrow minded to stick to one platform. I buy the latest iPhone and Android phone every year. I currently do not have a current flagship Android phone because I sold my S7 Edge waiting on the Pixel 2. I am using an iPhone 7 until the X comes out. I have no need to bash the other platform because they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
    As far as perfecting, I was referring to their ecosystem.
    Just because some new feature comes out doesn't mean it will fit comfortably with your other features. That can produce fragmentation. Apple wants their devices to create an enjoyable experience and their success backs that up.

    I have used all of the platforms, Apple, Android, WM, BlackBerry, etc. and you are correct, they all have their strengths and weaknesses. There is no perfect platform or phone. That variety gives us choices though so most of us can find the one that comes closest to fitting our needs.
    09-03-2017 10:25 AM
  11. DEman19901's Avatar
    Wait a minute! Narrow minded? That’s a bit harsh, don’t you think? I mean, is it wrong for someone to find the one thing that does everything they need it to do and then stick with it? Is being at peace also being narrow minded?
    "If you want the latest features, no matter how poorly they work, get Android" That first statement is a narrow minded as it gets.
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    09-03-2017 10:28 AM
  12. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    ...
    I have used all of the platforms, Apple, Android, WM, BlackBerry, etc. and you are correct, they all have their strengths and weaknesses. There is no perfect platform or phone. That variety gives us choices though so most of us can find the one that comes closest to fitting our needs.
    Well stated. Unfortunately, the problem arises all too often when people who prefer one platform over the other wants you to enjoy the one they prefer.
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    09-03-2017 10:29 AM
  13. TgeekB's Avatar
    Well stated. Unfortunately, the problem arises all too often when people who prefer one platform over the other wants you to enjoy the one they prefer.
    Yup, it does seem to be the current fad.
    Some of it is driven by the platforms themselves with advertising, showing how their platform is better than the competition. Remember the Mac vs. PC commercials? Those were brilliant and maybe some of the animosity is left over from that.
    I don't know, it gives us something to talk about in our spare time. I'm mostly entertained from it.
    09-03-2017 10:32 AM
  14. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    "If you want the latest features, no matter how poorly they work, get Android" That first statement is a narrow minded as it gets.
    Oh I see what you’re saying. I’m sorry.
    09-03-2017 10:32 AM
  15. DEman19901's Avatar
    Oh I see what you’re saying. I’m sorry.
    No need to apologize, it's all good.
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    09-03-2017 10:34 AM
  16. ItnStln's Avatar
    I think the problem is that people become extremely invested in a particular ecosystem. For me to leave Apple and switch to Android, for example, would be very costly. So these users are essentially “stuck” and can only hope that Apple innovates at the level they desire.

    Honestly, I understand the frustration. I’m not at all dissatisfied with Apple (my feelings are quite contrary) but many arguments can be made that Apple lacks features that competitors have been offering for a while now. They’re buying Apple devices to have the latest of what APPLE offers but they’re still wanting more.
    Very well said, sir! But I want to hit something specific that you said: “So these users are essentially “stuck” and can only hope that Apple innovates at the level they desire.” That seems to be the case with a lot of people that I know.
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    09-03-2017 12:07 PM
  17. ItnStln's Avatar
    I feel like it's a cultural thing now. People are being raised with no consequences for their actions and are getting a false sense of entitlement.
    Post of the year!
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    09-03-2017 12:09 PM
  18. TgeekB's Avatar
    "If you want the latest features, no matter how poorly they work, get Android" That first statement is a narrow minded as it gets.
    I shouldn't have used the word poorly, I was just trying to make a point. Android generally gets many features first. Apple waits until they feel they work best with their ecosystem.
    I hope this clears things up. I wasn't trying to be narrow minded.
    09-03-2017 12:54 PM
  19. DMP89145's Avatar
    Apple has little interest in being first to market.
    I have always been curious about this. Perhaps it's just the choice of words (though, I've heard the phrase many times). I have always wondered if enthusiasts of iOS wouldn't prefer at least a second manufacturer for that system? The totalitarian nature of Apple definitely has it's advantages, but it's easy to become stagnant without due competitive pressure.

    I have heard the phrase coined a few different ways "no interest in being first, wait until it's right for the system.." etc, etc. But what if the truth really is they just have the luxury of a captive consumer? How do you know, since there is no competitive pressure, that Apple simply isn't just resting on their laurels, being lazy and coming to market late?

    Serious inquiry.
    09-03-2017 04:36 PM
  20. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I have always been curious about this. Perhaps it's just the choice of words (though, I've heard the phrase many times). I have always wondered if enthusiasts of iOS wouldn't prefer at least a second manufacturer for that system? The totalitarian nature of Apple definitely has it's advantages, but it's easy to become stagnant without due competitive pressure.

    I have heard the phrase coined a few different ways "no interest in being first, wait until it's right for the system.." etc, etc. But what if the truth really is they just have the luxury of a captive consumer? How do you know, since there is no competitive pressure, that Apple simply isn't just resting on their laurels, being lazy and coming to market late?

    Serious inquiry.
    Captive consumer? No. Content consumer? Yes. Apple consumers, in my opinion, relish ease of use, quality build, and outstanding customer service. Many of those consumers know and understand that other brands may offer more for less, until the iPhone quit satisfying their needs, they will stick with it. Period. That’s not being captive. That’s being content. If iPhone users as a whole demanded to have what Apple’s competitors offered, Apple will indeed oblige, but like any great company, Apple knows it’s consumers and moves at a pace suitable to them.
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    09-03-2017 05:04 PM
  21. DMP89145's Avatar
    Captive consumer? No. Content consumer? Yes. Apple consumers, in my opinion, relish ease of use, quality build, and outstanding customer service. Many of those consumers know and understand that other brands may offer more for less, until the iPhone quit satisfying their needs, they will stick with it. Period. That’s not being captive. That’s being content. If iPhone users as a whole demanded to have what Apple’s competitors offered, Apple will indeed oblige, but like any great company, Apple knows it’s consumers and moves at a pace suitable to them.
    We'll I guess we'll never know since there is only one choice for iOS. I definitely appreciate being content, but as the start of thread stated, not all on iOS are. Some are truly the captured consumer with nowhere to turn if they want to stay on iOS and not have to reinvest in another ecosystem.

    If the theory is everyone that's on iOS is content and happy, I guess I'd find that a challenging reality.
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    09-03-2017 05:23 PM
  22. TripleOne's Avatar
    At this day and age, people tend to blame others for their own faults instead of looking within and see what they did wrong.
    09-03-2017 05:40 PM
  23. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    If the theory is everyone that's on iOS is content and happy, I guess I'd find that a challenging reality.
    Obviously not everyone can be content and happy but I think the vast majority are. For most, their device does everything they need it to do. These users would be content and happy on Android or any other smartphone too though. We tech enthusiasts, spending a good portion of our time combing through tech forums, listening to tech podcasts, and shifting through RSS feeds are a very special breed of user. We have specific needs and very much understand the differences between ecosystems. We nitpick and tend to find issues with small things that most users don’t even notice.

    So, yes, I really think the vast majority of users are content and happy—but we are not the majority.
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    09-03-2017 05:47 PM
  24. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    I have always been curious about this. Perhaps it's just the choice of words (though, I've heard the phrase many times). I have always wondered if enthusiasts of iOS wouldn't prefer at least a second manufacturer for that system? The totalitarian nature of Apple definitely has it's advantages, but it's easy to become stagnant without due competitive pressure.

    I have heard the phrase coined a few different ways "no interest in being first, wait until it's right for the system.." etc, etc. But what if the truth really is they just have the luxury of a captive consumer? How do you know, since there is no competitive pressure, that Apple simply isn't just resting on their laurels, being lazy and coming to market late?

    Serious inquiry.
    Just now seeing this post. Not sure how it got away from me!

    I’ve asked myself the same thing but then I always have to ask this: Why would Apple NOT want to be earlier to market with new technology unless it were to make sure it is mature enough to not interfere with user experience and do it better than the competition? Apple, just like any other smartphone manufacturer, wants to have as many people using their devices as possible. So this means retaining existing customers as well as bringing on new customers. So you’d think that they would want to be first to market with everything then, right? But they’re not. Not even close. We are sitting here talking about a new life-altering iPhone that’s going to have inductive charging, an OLED display, face recognition, and a nearly bezel-less design when, in fact, all of those features have been in many Android devices for quite some time. Are they first to market? Nope. Are they going to do those things better than the competition? Probably.
    Last edited by Rob Phillips; 09-03-2017 at 06:52 PM.
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    09-03-2017 06:04 PM
  25. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    We'll I guess we'll never know since there is only one choice for iOS. I definitely appreciate being content, but as the start of thread stated, not all on iOS are. Some are truly the captured consumer with nowhere to turn if they want to stay on iOS and not have to reinvest in another ecosystem.

    If the theory is everyone that's on iOS is content and happy, I guess I'd find that a challenging reality.
    Don’t get me wrong. I get what you’re saying, but I want to stress that not everyone stays with the iPhone and iOS simply because they’re invested in Apple’s ecosystem. iCloud can be accessed via both Android and Windows devices and we all know that documents and spreadsheets can be exported and imported in several formats. Many of us who have used all platforms at some point in time choose to stay with the iPhone for the simplest of reasons - we like it and it works best for “us”.
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    09-03-2017 07:17 PM
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