1. jsntrenkler's Avatar
    That works brilliantly for files that are often changing...

    Anyone recommend a better PDF reader?
    PDF Expert is my go to.
    07-09-2018 01:19 AM
  2. ssbtech's Avatar
    I would be lost on a BB10. The more you use the iPhone, the more sense it makes.
    The more I use iOS, the more I question why Apple made the decisions they did. There are so many small ways the OS could be improved and yet we get Animoji.
    07-09-2018 09:09 AM
  3. Tartarus's Avatar
    The more I use iOS, the more I question why Apple made the decisions they did. There are so many small ways the OS could be improved and yet we get Animoji.
    Apple has always done things different. Heck, their slogan was even “Think Different” for a long while.
    That’s why they are one of the greatest, richest tech companies out there.

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/05/inve...zon/index.html


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_different
    07-09-2018 09:27 AM
  4. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    The more I use iOS, the more I question why Apple made the decisions they did. There are so many small ways the OS could be improved and yet we get Animoji.
    I don't have any issues with the OS. And I'm still on iOS 10.1.1. The main (possibly only) thing I don't like about iOS 11, is they killed 32 bit apps. I've never used a Blackberry or an Android. The iPhone is different from a Blackberry. It sounds as though you expected it to be like a Blackberry. Give it time. You'll adjust to the changes. Many here on iMore were long time Blackberry users. They've adjusted and love their iPhone.
    07-09-2018 11:09 AM
  5. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    None of my OneDrive files in the Files app have the cloud icon on them, and I certainly haven't opened that many of them.

    I've got over 7GB of files in OneDrive, but the files app is showing 20KB of file storage used when I check on it in Settings.

    Something doesn't add up there.
    I’m a little confused here. Are you looking at the OneDrive storage or the Files storage in settings? If you’re saving local copies to OneDrive the Files app storage is not going to change because those files are saved locally to OneDrive.
    07-09-2018 12:38 PM
  6. Tartarus's Avatar
    I’m a little confused here. Are you looking at the OneDrive storage or the Files storage in settings? If you’re saving local copies to OneDrive the Files app storage is not going to change because those files are saved locally to OneDrive.
    To be clear, that cloud on files I previously mentioned is in the Files app, not in the OneDrive app.
    I hardly use those apps anymore since the Files app came to iOS.
    07-09-2018 12:52 PM
  7. ssbtech's Avatar
    I’m a little confused here. Are you looking at the OneDrive storage or the Files storage in settings? If you’re saving local copies to OneDrive the Files app storage is not going to change because those files are saved locally to OneDrive.
    I was looking at Settings -> General ->iPhone Storage -> Files to show me the storage usage of the Files app.

    I don't see a way to save local copies, or identify local vs cloud status, for OneDrive files in the Apple Files app.

    I use the OneDrive app to sync local copies of certain files for offline viewing, usually due to size.
    07-09-2018 07:58 PM
  8. ssbtech's Avatar
    Many here on iMore were long time Blackberry users. They've adjusted and love their iPhone.
    if by adjusted you mean giving up functionality, then I suppose the phone is lovable. Don't get me wrong, it's a great piece of hardware and the app selection is great. But simple things like being able to open my offline copy of a PDF from OneDrive without duplicating it to Adobe Reader missing from the OS is insane.
    07-09-2018 08:00 PM
  9. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I was looking at Settings -> General ->iPhone Storage -> Files to show me the storage usage of the Files app.

    I don't see a way to save local copies, or identify local vs cloud status, for OneDrive files in the Apple Files app.

    I use the OneDrive app to sync local copies of certain files for offline viewing, usually due to size.
    Yes, and if you use OneDrive to make a file available offline it saves it to OneDrive. Therefore OneDrive’s storage space increases, not the Files app.
    07-09-2018 08:07 PM
  10. ssbtech's Avatar
    Yes, and if you use OneDrive to make a file available offline it saves it to OneDrive. Therefore OneDrive’s storage space increases, not the Files app.
    I don't think I challenged that.

    It was stated in post #17 that opening a cloud file in the Files app saves a local copy. I used the storage status of the Files app to suggest that wasn't happening, as I only have ~20KB or so of file-related storage showing for the Apple Files app where it was expected that I'd have 80MB.
    07-09-2018 08:10 PM
  11. Tartarus's Avatar
    I don't see a way to save local copies, or identify local vs cloud status, for OneDrive files in the Apple Files app.



    As you can see in above screenshot, there is a cloud in the upper right corner.

    That cloud indicates that the file is not saved locally and needs to be downloaded.
    If that cloud doesn’t appear on a file, this means that that file is saved locally.
    You can double check this by putting phone in Airplane Mode and open a file with and without cloud. You will see that only the file without cloud will open.

    I used the storage status of the Files app to suggest that wasn't happening, as I only have ~20KB or so of file-related storage showing for the Apple Files app where it was expected that I'd have 80MB.
    You’re assuming that the file is saved in the Files folder.
    I’m not 100% sure but the file may be saved locally to the cache folder on your iPhone instead of said Files folder.
    07-09-2018 11:02 PM
  12. ssbtech's Avatar
    Again, none of my OneDrive files in the Apple Files app show a cloud icon as your image shows. None of them open with airplane mode enabled, so they haven't been previously cached.

    I disabled airplane mode, opened a file then re-enabled airplane mode. I was able to re-open the file again, suggesting it'd had been cached from the first launch. Still no cloud icons giving me any indication of the file cache sate.

    This sort of cache isn't the same as the OneDrive option to selectively pick the files I want saved for offline viewing. What's to say I want everything I open cached on my phone? What happens when I clear the cache to clean up the phone, and then I want one of those cached files? Speaking of which, where do I go to clear that cache? :/

    iOS has taken away from me the choice of what I want to "pin" or permanently save on the device. Again, some of the files are quite large and I don't want them downloading via data when I open them. With OneDrive, I know what's saved locally at a glance and I can choose to open that big file or not.
    07-09-2018 11:27 PM
  13. Tartarus's Avatar
    Again, none of my OneDrive files in the Apple Files app show a cloud icon as your image shows. None of them open with airplane mode enabled, so they haven't been previously cached.

    I disabled airplane mode, opened a file then re-enabled airplane mode. I was able to re-open the file again, suggesting it'd had been cached from the first launch. Still no cloud icons giving me any indication of the file cache sate.

    This sort of cache isn't the same as the OneDrive option to selectively pick the files I want saved for offline viewing. What's to say I want everything I open cached on my phone? What happens when I clear the cache to clean up the phone, and then I want one of those cached files? Speaking of which, where do I go to clear that cache? :/

    iOS has taken away from me the choice of what I want to "pin" or permanently save on the device. Again, some of the files are quite large and I don't want them downloading via data when I open them. With OneDrive, I know what's saved locally at a glance and I can choose to open that big file or not.
    The files app is a container for cloud services that supports it. It isn’t by far as feature-rich as the standalone apps for those cloud services.

    You may be well served with the app for OneDrive.

    As far as I know it is not ‘yet’ possible to clear cache for Files app. iOS manages this for you, depending on how much free storage is left on your device.
    07-10-2018 02:30 AM
  14. doogald's Avatar
    The more I use iOS, the more I question why Apple made the decisions they did.
    I can't speak for Apple, but I do know that from the start the OS was designed to sandbox apps, and the ability for apps to work with data from another app has been slowly and carefully added over time. For some of us it has been a frustrating wait for richer capability. I suspect that options will get richer as time goes by, but it sounds to me that you would be better served from a more powerful computer (an MS Surface tablet, MacBook) for your workflow rather than an iPad.
    07-16-2018 10:38 AM
  15. ssbtech's Avatar
    I can't speak for Apple, but I do know that from the start the OS was designed to sandbox apps, and the ability for apps to work with data from another app has been slowly and carefully added over time. For some of us it has been a frustrating wait for richer capability. I suspect that options will get richer as time goes by, but it sounds to me that you would be better served from a more powerful computer (an MS Surface tablet, MacBook) for your workflow rather than an iPad.
    Not using an iPad. I do have a Surface Pro that'll I'll pull out when I need the full capabilities of a PC, but a brand-new, cutting edge, state of the art $1,200 iPhone shouldn't be out-featured by my 3 year old, $200 (Brand new, unlocked through a promo) BlackBerry.
    07-17-2018 12:40 AM
  16. Tartarus's Avatar
    Not using an iPad. I do have a Surface Pro that'll I'll pull out when I need the full capabilities of a PC, but a brand-new, cutting edge, state of the art $1,200 iPhone shouldn't be out-featured by my 3 year old, $200 (Brand new, unlocked through a promo) BlackBerry.
    Such is life
    07-17-2018 01:39 AM
  17. doogald's Avatar
    Not using an iPad. I do have a Surface Pro that'll I'll pull out when I need the full capabilities of a PC, but a brand-new, cutting edge, state of the art $1,200 iPhone shouldn't be out-featured by my 3 year old, $200 (Brand new, unlocked through a promo) BlackBerry.
    So, use a Blackberry if that is the phone that supports the features you need.
    Tartarus likes this.
    07-17-2018 06:22 AM
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