1. doogald's Avatar
    What about a Sprint version? Since Verizon are both CDMA.
    Unlike Verizon (at least historically), Sprint does SIM-lock their phones. The story about Verizon not locking is not something that they were doing out of generosity of spirit but because they won a government auction of the spectrum that became their first LTE band and one of the restrictions on the auctioned band is that customers could never be locked to the network if the phone used that band (which iPhones definitely still do.). It's pretty ballsy of Verizon to start SIM locking because of this. (They say it's to prevent people who steal phones from using them with another SIM.)
    04-02-2018 09:59 AM
  2. Garz's Avatar
    Unlike Verizon (at least historically), Sprint does SIM-lock their phones. The story about Verizon not locking is not something that they were doing out of generosity of spirit but because they won a government auction of the spectrum that became their first LTE band and one of the restrictions on the auctioned band is that customers could never be locked to the network if the phone used that band (which iPhones definitely still do.). It's pretty ballsy of Verizon to start SIM locking because of this. (They say it's to prevent people who steal phones from using them with another SIM.)
    Yeah it’s a BS excuse. They are losing customers left and right. It’s to not make it so easy for them to take their phone and leave. Now a days peoples phones are either password, Face, or fingerprint protected.
    04-02-2018 11:57 AM
  3. camaroz1985's Avatar
    What about a Sprint version? Since Verizon are both CDMA.
    If they are unlocked they would be the same as the Verizon model, but they are locked out of the box, and need to be active on a Sprint account for 60 days before they are unlocked, and must be unlocked by the person that used them (i.e. if the original owner used it for 5 months and sells it to you, you still can't unlock it unless you use it with Sprint for 60 days, at least that was my experience recently).

    I prefer to buy Verizon or factory unlocked when I buy used. We are using Sprint now, so I don't mind the wait if I have to, but I know we will be switching in a few months so I got my wife's phone unlocked ASAP.
    04-02-2018 01:42 PM
  4. gottria's Avatar
    Awesome, thanks guys. Best unit to buy is the Verizon version A1865 as it's the most compatible with carriers.
    04-02-2018 06:27 PM
  5. mogelijk's Avatar
    Yeah it’s a BS excuse. They are losing customers left and right. It’s to not make it so easy for them to take their phone and leave. Now a days peoples phones are either password, Face, or fingerprint protected.
    I'm pretty sure the former Verizon lawyer heading up the FCC makes them feel they can get away with breaking their agreement.
    04-02-2018 10:41 PM
  6. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    I'm pretty sure the former Verizon lawyer heading up the FCC makes them feel they can get away with breaking their agreement.
    What agreement are they breaking? The agreement is made at the time of purchase. Are they going back and retroactively locking phones that were previously purchased? I’m not saying I like what Verizon is doing but they’re only doing what their competitors have been doing for a long time.
    As @Garz stated, their excuse is BS. Maybe they’re combating theft and fraud but that’s certainly not their only motivation. They’re not acting for the good of the people. A free and open internet is good for the people, not restricting a user’s carrier.
    04-03-2018 12:24 AM
  7. Garz's Avatar
    What agreement are they breaking? The agreement is made at the time of purchase. Are they going back and retroactively locking phones that were previously purchased? I’m not saying I like what Verizon is doing but they’re only doing what their competitors have been doing for a long time.
    As @Garz stated, their excuse is BS. Maybe they’re combating theft and fraud but that’s certainly not their only motivation. They’re not acting for the good of the people. A free and open internet is good for the people, not restricting a user’s carrier.
    Exactly. All phones bought at other carrier phones are locked. You can request unlock if the phone is paid off. The carriers don’t sell their phones unlocked if paid outright like Apple. Verizon is just doing what the other carriers do.
    04-03-2018 12:49 AM
  8. doogald's Avatar
    What agreement are they breaking? The agreement is made at the time of purchase.
    https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/0...tters-anymore/

    Per the restrictions imposed by the 700MHz Upper Block C spectrum auction it won in 2008, Verizon is expressly barred from locking down handsets on its network that utilize this spectrum. The plain text from the restrictions makes this absolutely clear.
    (e)Handset locking prohibited. No licensee may disable features on handsets it provides to customers, to the extent such features are compliant with the licensee's standards pursuant to paragraph (b)of this section, nor configure handsets it provides to prohibit use of such handsets on other providers' networks. (Emphasis added)
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    04-03-2018 05:26 AM
  9. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    Okay, so Verizon agreed not to sell locked phones for ten years. Didn’t realize there was a time commitment on their end. That being said, it’s possible they aren’t actually breaching their agreement with the FCC. According to ZDNET...

    “A Verizon spokesman also said the new phone locking policy "is not inconsistent with our obligations under the C Block" because the move is designed to deter theft, identity fraud and fraud.
    The carrier says it will continue to unlock phones even if they're not paid off and will accept unlocked phones from other carriers. It plans to reveal more precise details about the policy before rolling it out.”

    I really doubt the AndroidPolice writer consulted with an actual attorney before claiming that Verizon was in violation of their agreement. I don’t know a ton about business law but from the few business law courses I took in college I do know that those contracts are complex and the terms aren’t always as black and white as someone without experience in the field would think.
    I’m not saying that what Verizon is doing doesn’t suck for those who buy their phones. I’m just saying that a tech blogger claiming they’re in breach of contract is like an electrician giving out medical advice.
    04-03-2018 06:07 AM
  10. doogald's Avatar
    Okay, so Verizon agreed not to sell locked phones for ten years. Didn’t realize there was a time commitment on their end.
    No, the requirements of the spectrum auction that they won ten years ago included that provision. There was no time limit on that; Verizon is committed to that requirement for all handsets that use that spectrum, and they continue to use the 700MHz band for LTE.

    That being said, it’s possible they aren’t actually breaching their agreement with the FCC. According to ZDNET...

    “A Verizon spokesman also said the new phone locking policy "is not inconsistent with our obligations under the C Block" because the move is designed to deter theft, identity fraud and fraud.
    The carrier says it will continue to unlock phones even if they're not paid off and will accept unlocked phones from other carriers. It plans to reveal more precise details about the policy before rolling it out.”
    Right, the AndroidPolice article was taking an extreme view, but it is one that Verizon also seemed to be taking for the last ten years. They were the only ones of the big four US carriers that have not SIM locked any of their phones since they started selling LTE phones with SIM cards (their previous CDMA/EVDO phones did not use SIMs), which I believe was in 2011. I just shared the article because it included the actual provision in the auction that Verizon won.

    Also, there is a better CNET story that seems to say that Verizon is locking the phones before they are sold, so when they are in transit and in storage at carrier stores, and the phones get unlocked with a carrier update shortly after the customer activates the phone; also, unlocks will be provided even if the phone is not paid off, and if that's the case, I think I can live with this. I should also note that anybody who buys a SIM-free phone from Apple and activates on Verizon, as I just did, wouldn't have to deal with this - this is only for phones sold by Verizon, Apple, Best Buy, etc., that comes with a Verizon SIM. If you buy from Apple and are on Verizon, you can buy a Verizon SIM phone (and pay a Verizon upgrade fee) or a SIM-free phone and transfer the SIM from your existing phone (and avoid the upgrade fee).
    Last edited by doogald; 04-03-2018 at 09:53 AM.
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    04-03-2018 09:29 AM
  11. mogelijk's Avatar
    No, the requirements of the spectrum auction that they won ten years ago included that provision. There was no time limit on that; Verizon is committed to that requirement for all handsets that use that spectrum, and they continue to use the 700MHz band for LTE.



    Right, the AndroidPolice article was taking an extreme view, but it is one that Verizon also seemed to be taking for the last ten years. They were the only ones of the big four US carriers that have not SIM locked any of their phones since they started selling LTE phones with SIM cards (their previous CDMA/EVDO phones did not use SIMs), which I believe was in 2011. I just shared the article because it included the actual provision in the auction that Verizon won.

    Also, there is a better CNET story that seems to say that Verizon is locking the phones before they are sold, so when they are in transit and in storage at carrier stores, and the phones get unlocked with a carrier update shortly after the customer activates the phone; also, unlocks will be provided even if the phone is not paid off, and if that's the case, I think I can live with this. I should also note that anybody who buys a SIM-free phone from Apple and activates on Verizon, as I just did, wouldn't have to deal with this - this is only for phones sold by Verizon, Apple, Best Buy, etc., that comes with a Verizon SIM. If you buy from Apple and are on Verizon, you can buy a Verizon SIM phone (and pay a Verizon upgrade fee) or a SIM-free phone and transfer the SIM from your existing phone (and avoid the upgrade fee).
    That is interesting, it will be interesting to see how it will work out. I do suspect this is tied to Ajit Pai being the FCC head; they likely that he (at least as a Verizon lawyer) felt that this policy would be legal -- and the question is if they'll give anyone issues that wants to unlock their phones. I doubt Verizon would have attempted this if we still had a more "consumer friendly" FCC.
    04-03-2018 12:01 PM
  12. mrluky60's Avatar
    As long as the iPhone X is GSM unlocked it will work and AT&T and T Mobile. A Verizon model will also work on GSM networks, but be careful because Verizon is now locking phones themselves.

    Make sure before you buy any used iPhone that you check the IMEI number and make sure there are no bills owed on the device and it’s OK to use on your network before you buy it.

    I have bought many used iPhones and never had any issues, but I make sure to do my homework first, better to be safe then sorry. Just my two cents worth.
    I have note 8 and iPhone X. I will sell you my x if you want.
    04-03-2018 05:38 PM
  13. eyecrispy's Avatar
    I have note 8 and iPhone X. I will sell you my x if you want.
    Please post any sales in the Marketplace. This part of the forum is not for buying and selling.
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    04-03-2018 07:00 PM
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