1. Cladster's Avatar
    1. Works on a desk tap-swipe
    2. Works in car holder tap-swipe
    3. Works same raise to wake-swipe
    4. Apps seem to close faster.

    You have to swipe up anyway to unlock so i have set password to 4 hours and FID off.
    It's a better phone now for my uses, i only have 1 app Keeper that uses FID.

    I love the swiping and never liked TID and the home button, so this solves all my issues.
    Last edited by Cladster; 03-01-2018 at 05:06 PM.
    02-27-2018 04:05 AM
  2. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    ....until you leave your phone behind on accident and someone finds it and has complete access for four hours. My iPhone X seems quite fast enough without putting my personal data at risk.
    02-27-2018 06:12 AM
  3. cwbcpa's Avatar
    So are you letting us know that the phone is easier to get into if you turn off or severely cripple security functions? 🤦🏼*♂️
    02-27-2018 06:31 AM
  4. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    So are you letting us know that the phone is easier to get into if you turn off or severely cripple security functions? 🤦🏼*♂️
    Pretty much! I can’t emphasize enough that doing as OP recommended is not a good idea by any means. To each his/her own though.
    Security is a vitally necessary inconvenience. I think Apple does an awesome job making it as efficient as possible though.
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    02-27-2018 06:42 AM
  5. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Try it.

    1. Works on a desk tap-swipe
    2. Works in car holder tap-swipe
    3. Works same raise to wake-swipe
    4. Apps seem to close faster.

    You have to swipe up anyway to unlock so i have set password to 4 hours and FID off.
    It's a better phone now for my uses, i only have 1 app Keeper that uses FID.

    I love the swiping and never liked TID and the home button, so this solves all my issues.
    I’m sure gaining access to your home screen is faster with FaceID disabled, but like the others, I prefer to tolerate the extra two seconds using FaceID. Security alone is worth it, in my opinion.
    02-27-2018 08:18 AM
  6. Quis89's Avatar
    I guess it's possible you don't have anything contained in your phone that you'd be worried about if someone else were to obtain your phone so the convenience for you is beneficial. I'd just be mindful of everything someone could do with your phone if they were to get ahold of it.

    That said, I know a lot of people who don't secure their devices with passcodes, finger prints, face rec. or anything. For some, the ease of access is more important than whatever data they may have on their devices. I would at least hope you've got iCloud and Find My iPhone enabled on your device. That will at least assist you if your device is stolen or misplaced as you can issue wipe/lock commands.
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    02-27-2018 10:09 AM
  7. digitalbreak's Avatar
    Try it.

    1. Works on a desk tap-swipe
    2. Works in car holder tap-swipe
    3. Works same raise to wake-swipe
    4. Apps seem to close faster.

    You have to swipe up anyway to unlock so i have set password to 4 hours and FID off.
    It's a better phone now for my uses, i only have 1 app Keeper that uses FID.

    I love the swiping and never liked TID and the home button, so this solves all my issues.
    Please set up a passcode and enable Face ID. Nobody here and anywhere would recommend setting up your phone the way you mentioned which compromises security. If you lose your phone, it’s just too easy for someone to get hold of your personal data.

    FaceID is convenient and do use it.
    02-27-2018 11:42 AM
  8. anon(5630457)'s Avatar
    Why would I want my personal information available for anyone? FaceID is really fast. Turning it off is not a good idea at all and certainly not recommended.
    02-27-2018 12:02 PM
  9. Almeuit's Avatar
    I don't leave phones unlocked. I did years ago but not anymore... Way too much stuff on the phone for it to just be open for me making a human mistake.
    02-27-2018 12:31 PM
  10. Cladster's Avatar
    I guess it's possible you don't have anything contained in your phone that you'd be worried about if someone else were to obtain your phone so the convenience for you is beneficial. I'd just be mindful of everything someone could do with your phone if they were to get ahold of it.

    That said, I know a lot of people who don't secure their devices with passcodes, finger prints, face rec. or anything. For some, the ease of access is more important than whatever data they may have on their devices. I would at least hope you've got iCloud and Find My iPhone enabled on your device. That will at least assist you if your device is stolen or misplaced as you can issue wipe/lock commands
    Exactly.

    Unless someone wants to check my instagram lol or makes some OS calls or use up my data, but if i lost it which i have never done i would just cancel the sim and wipe it with find iPhone, also have insurance for theft.

    The only reason i used TID was to open phone faster, was hit and miss anyway, before it i never used passwords since 4S and BB phones before that.

    Thanks for all the concern though guys re security. I wouldn't keep anything on a phone that i was worried about being stolen. Good luck if you do.
    02-27-2018 03:47 PM
  11. Quis89's Avatar
    Exactly.

    Unless someone wants to check my instagram lol or makes some OS calls or use up my data, but if i lost it which i have never done i would just cancel the sim and wipe it with find iPhone, also have insurance for theft.

    The only reason i used TID was to open phone faster, was hit and miss anyway, before it i never used passwords since 4S and BB phones before that.

    Thanks for all the concern though guys re security. I wouldn't keep anything on a phone that i was worried about being stolen. Good luck if you do.
    Yea I personally don't keep anything on my phone that I'd be worried about either. My issue is that my family is rather trusting of anything that comes from my phone number or email. For example, if I request an account number from my wife via text, she will absolutely send it. I know a lot of people have account numbers and things like that on their devices. I don't keep anything sensitive on my phone.

    Now that I think about it...with the security available via apps, what could people actually store on their phone that they are worried about? For example, we can now lock notes (that may contain account numbers or passwords). Email really is the last place we should be sharing or sending sensitive information so hopefully nobody is keeping anything there. Our bank accounts should be secured with passwords so even if someone gets our phone, they shouldn't be able to access those accounts. Using "remember this password" features is a rather large security no-no. So when I really think about it...if you exercise security beyond just locking your phone, the phone lock could comfortably be disabled.

    Of course, privacy is another point. I'm sure we don't want people reading through our text messages, emails or looking through our pictures. But from a security standpoint, there are far more important areas before we even get to the locking of the device.
    02-27-2018 04:42 PM
  12. tcuprof's Avatar
    My phone contains enough info for an identity thief to wipe me out. I think I'll keep Face ID on and keep an eye out for my doppelganger.
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    02-27-2018 05:09 PM
  13. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Before Touch ID, I had my passcode set on 1 hour. After 1 hour, the passcode would be required. Touch ID fixed that. I don't know what anyone could get in my phone. All personal information is in 1Password. They'd need the password for that, and it's very strong.
    02-27-2018 05:15 PM
  14. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    Before Touch ID, I had my passcode set on 1 hour. After 1 hour, the passcode would be required. Touch ID fixed that. I don't know what anyone could get in my phone. All personal information is in 1Password. They'd need the password for that, and it's very strong.
    Email?
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    02-27-2018 06:52 PM
  15. Cladster's Avatar
    All personal information is in 1Password. They'd need the password for that, and it's very strong.
    Keeper is my only App for passwords and prefer to type in password same as my iPad pro 12.9 dont use TID on it, on the chance someone held me up at gunpoint took my phone they only have to point at my face using FID to get into keeper anyway.
    With password they would have to torture me lol

    Anyway i am really liking using it with no FID. I was on the verge of selling it and getting a 8 plus, but really like the swiping and no home button.

    See how long i last. I should say i work from my home office or are on the road doing quotes so its not as if i am carrying my phone around in my pocket all day or using public transport.
    02-27-2018 07:23 PM
  16. digitalbreak's Avatar
    If your phone goes into the wrong hands and it is unlocked, there are several things they can do.

    1. They can convince banks to reset the password by giving the phone number to confirm and thus getting access to your bank info
    2. They can send some unwarranted messages to the authorities and put you in trouble
    3. Use it to commit another theft
    4. Remove the existing SIM card, put a new one and continue using the phone

    Yes, you can find and wipe your phone. By that time, it might be too late. People need only a few mins to commit theft.

    If this is your personal way of handling your phone, especially when it comes to security and privacy, you should really update your post to reflect that. I for one will never ever guide/recommend someone to not have a passcode or not setup FaceID/TouchID in their iPhone.
    02-28-2018 09:58 AM
  17. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    Thanks for all the concern though guys re security. I wouldn't keep anything on a phone that i was worried about being stolen. Good luck if you do.
    I could care less about what you do with your phone. I'm more concerned about less experienced users following your poor advice ...
    It is always a horrible idea to bypass, or turn off security features. It's just as bad to not keep your devices OS & apps up to date. Always use strong passwords or use a password manager.
    These are the basics of surviving in todays electronic jungle. Security experts can preach until they're blue in the face on how to protect yourself, and seemingly go unheard. Then some random clown on the internet will tell you that your email will download faster if you turn your anti-virus off, and people scramble to try it out ...
    Sherry_B likes this.
    02-28-2018 10:22 AM
  18. Almeuit's Avatar
    Yea I personally don't keep anything on my phone that I'd be worried about either. My issue is that my family is rather trusting of anything that comes from my phone number or email. For example, if I request an account number from my wife via text, she will absolutely send it. I know a lot of people have account numbers and things like that on their devices. I don't keep anything sensitive on my phone.

    Now that I think about it...with the security available via apps, what could people actually store on their phone that they are worried about? For example, we can now lock notes (that may contain account numbers or passwords). Email really is the last place we should be sharing or sending sensitive information so hopefully nobody is keeping anything there. Our bank accounts should be secured with passwords so even if someone gets our phone, they shouldn't be able to access those accounts. Using "remember this password" features is a rather large security no-no. So when I really think about it...if you exercise security beyond just locking your phone, the phone lock could comfortably be disabled.

    Of course, privacy is another point. I'm sure we don't want people reading through our text messages, emails or looking through our pictures. But from a security standpoint, there are far more important areas before we even get to the locking of the device.
    Email?
    I don't have anything on my phone in terms of documents sitting on it that shouldn't be. All my passwords are in LastPass and secured there so they couldn't get to that but... they could have access to my email (as Rob said above). Having access to that would unlock them to all my accounts by simply using the "reset password" that majority of websites use.
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    02-28-2018 12:14 PM
  19. Quis89's Avatar
    If your phone goes into the wrong hands and it is unlocked, there are several things they can do.

    1. They can convince banks to reset the password by giving the phone number to confirm and thus getting access to your bank info
    2. They can send some unwarranted messages to the authorities and put you in trouble
    3. Use it to commit another theft
    4. Remove the existing SIM card, put a new one and continue using the phone.
    1. If your banks only authentication method is your phone number, you need a new bank. My bank isn't giving away any information with only a phone number.
    02-28-2018 12:29 PM
  20. Quis89's Avatar
    I don't have anything on my phone in terms of documents sitting on it that shouldn't be. All my passwords are in LastPass and secured there so they couldn't get to that but... they could have access to my email (as Rob said above). Having access to that would unlock them to all my accounts by simply using the "reset password" that majority of websites use.
    True point. Another point I forgot was my 2 Step Verification for many things. These are items tied to my phone.
    02-28-2018 12:34 PM
  21. Almeuit's Avatar
    True point. Another point I forgot was my 2 Step Verification for many things. These are items tied to my phone.
    Yep so if unlocked someone could initiate these things and start to get into your accounts. I personally don't care if it is my Twitter account or something dumb.. I don't want anyone in any account. Obviously financial accounts would be the worst.

    That is why I lock it down. If they get a hold of it they can't get into it and I don't have to panic to remote wipe it right away (in case I didn't have a PC or something I could get into in order to do it quickly).

    One of the biggest scams that hit a lot of T-Mobile users (from reading the /r/tmobile reddit) was with Wells Fargo. People would social engineer the reps into gets numbers ported, the scammer then used their number to reset Wells Fargo password, and then got into their accounts. While this is different then you phone being unlocked the same could be done if someone walked up and said "Hey an unlocked phone" and wanted to do mischievous things such as this.
    02-28-2018 12:46 PM
  22. Sherry_B's Avatar
    I wouldn't keep anything on a phone that i was worried about being stolen. Good luck if you do.
    I find it hard to believe that you have absolutely no contacts in your phone, and if you do then shame on you for not caring about them enough to keep their information secure.

    Very few people have my cell number, but those who do; if I found out they took the same nonchalance attitude towards keeping the info on their phones secure as you do, I would request they remove me from their contacts.
    02-28-2018 12:58 PM
  23. digitalbreak's Avatar
    1. If your banks only authentication method is your phone number, you need a new bank. My bank isn't giving away any information with only a phone number.
    You will be amazed what hackers/scammers can do just with access to your phone number and the device.

    I am amazed that you are assuming this is all good because your banks won’t let you down. Seriously, secure your device with at least a passcode if not FaceID.
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    02-28-2018 01:23 PM
  24. Quis89's Avatar
    You will be amazed what hackers/scammers can do just with access to your phone number and the device.

    I am amazed that you are assuming this is all good because your banks won’t let you down. Seriously, secure your device with at least a passcode if not FaceID.
    My device is secured. That doesn't change the fact that my bank isn't relying on my phone number for authentication. If yours is, you should hold them accountable. I've spoken with mine many of times. This has never happened.

    Even the thought that banks are doing this is frightening and it's really up to us to hold them accountable for that.
    02-28-2018 01:30 PM
  25. John Yester's Avatar
    Scary....

    I use every amount of security on a mobile device, laptop, tablet, car, etc

    People that have already chosen to ignore and do away with nothing, then that's their own stupid fault. serves them right.. and nobody will change their mind sine they have already chosen to do nothing.
    02-28-2018 01:40 PM
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