1. Darth-Vader's Avatar
    I see the X in the wild fairly regularly, I know its a pricey phone, but it seems many people want it. I know my daughter has been bugging me to buy one for her, but there's no way I'm spending that kind of money for a teenager
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    05-04-2018 11:46 AM
  2. AmberDuffy's Avatar
    The article is interesting ... Considering that I do not like the iPhone X, I will not worry much, and won`t speak in his defense. In my opinion, according to his presentation in the autumn, it was clear that the model was a failure. Plus, it did not call all the usual excitement, except at the beginning. Many believe that the 7th or 8th iPhone is the best value=money. Anyway, soon we will find out whether it is true or not.
    05-22-2018 03:05 AM
  3. mogelijk's Avatar
    The article is interesting ... Considering that I do not like the iPhone X, I will not worry much, and won`t speak in his defense.
    I'm curious why you don't like the iPhone X?

    In my opinion, according to his presentation in the autumn, it was clear that the model was a failure.
    What presentation? When it was announced last September?

    Plus, it did not call all the usual excitement, except at the beginning. Many believe that the 7th or 8th iPhone is the best value=money. Anyway, soon we will find out whether it is true or not.
    I'll agree that many thought the iPhone X was too expensive. I also suspect that is one reason why the iPhone X will be "discontinued" when the new iPhone's are announced in September. Currently, it appears that Apple is attempting to make the iPhone X replacements less expensive, including buying the OLED displays from LG rather than Samsung.

    As for finding out "whether it is true," again, I'm not sure what you are referring to. If you mean if the iPhone X is discontinued, then it likely is but rumors point to it being replaced by a similar phone, with the similar features, just at a lower price. Then it is also rumored there will be a Plus sized version, and a version that is inbetween the X and X Plus but even less expensive, with things like an LCD screen instead of OLED.

    If you are talking about gestures and FaceID, then everything points to them remaining. The rumored new phones are still missing the home button and have the notch; and I've not seen any rumors of an update to the 8 or 8 Plus. I think it is also telling that Android P has moved to gestures.
    05-22-2018 06:28 PM
  4. AmberDuffy's Avatar
    I'm curious why you don't like the iPhone X?
    I see your point, but I just don`t like it and that`s all. I like my iPhone 7 and for me it`s perfect) This is the matter of taste, I guess.
    05-23-2018 03:46 AM
  5. PrincessB's Avatar
    I wouldn’t be surprised is it was cancelled but not due to sales but rather because it’s a special edition, since it is the ten year anniversary phone.
    06-04-2018 04:57 AM
  6. Closingracer's Avatar
    It won’t be canceled. No company would put this much R&D to just cancel it. The X-2 will just be like any other upgrade. Just like how we went from an iPhone 7 to an 8 and so forth
    06-06-2018 09:27 PM
  7. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    It won’t be canceled. No company would put this much R&D to just cancel it. The X-2 will just be like any other upgrade. Just like how we went from an iPhone 7 to an 8 and so forth
    I think the whole argument here is that Apple has always kept predecessor models around (you can still buy an iPhone 6s and 7 even though iPhone 8 is out, for example) but this is possibly not going to happen with whatever replaces iPhone X. People of course misconstrue this information to mean iPhone X is doomed and so Apple is killing it. Clearly that’s not the case. As you said, they’ll just replace with with a newer version.
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    06-07-2018 08:03 PM
  8. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I think the whole argument here is that Apple has always kept predecessor models around (you can still buy an iPhone 6s and 7 even though iPhone 8 is out, for example) but this is possibly not going to happen with whatever replaces iPhone X. People of course misconstrue this information to mean iPhone X is doomed and so Apple is killing it. Clearly that’s not the case. As you said, they’ll just replace with with a newer version.
    Not always - the iPhone 5 was cancelled immediately when the 5S was launched, probably because the 5 lacked proper 4G support.
    06-08-2018 09:24 AM
  9. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    Not always - the iPhone 5 was cancelled immediately when the 5S was launched, probably because the 5 lacked proper 4G support.
    Thank you for fact checking me. The point of my post remains the same.
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    06-08-2018 09:27 AM
  10. mogelijk's Avatar
    I think the whole argument here is that Apple has always kept predecessor models around (you can still buy an iPhone 6s and 7 even though iPhone 8 is out, for example) but this is possibly not going to happen with whatever replaces iPhone X. People of course misconstrue this information to mean iPhone X is doomed and so Apple is killing it. Clearly that’s not the case. As you said, they’ll just replace with with a newer version.
    It is true that Apple typically kept the previous years flagship and sold it at a lower price. As pointed out, the iPhone 5 was one example where Apple didn't -- and instead offered a different "low cost" option rather than continuing to sell the older phone (the 5c).

    My impression is that the X replacement is going to be priced somewhat lower than the X; my guess is $100 less, or so. The rumors, at least that I've seen, seem to imply that the X Plus (the new larger OLED iPhone) will be roughly the price of the current X, that the X replacement will be $100 or so cheaper. Because of this, it doesn't make sense for Apple to continue to sell the X -- since the old phones are typically only $100 off, meaning the X and the new iPhone would sell for essentially the same price. Instead, they'll have an LCD version of the X that will become the new "budget" phone.

    We know one of the ways the new iPhone will be less expensive is that they'll have LG panels instead of Samsung panels. I also wonder if they won't have an aluminum body, rather than the Stainless Steel of the X. And the Face ID technology should now be cheaper, now that it is a year old, than it was for the X.

    My issue with these iPhone X being "cancelled" or "killed" stories is that they largely came out in February and early March, along with the articles about how disappointing iPhone X sales had been. The clear implication that these "experts" seemed to be painting is that Apple was going to kill the iPhone X because it had been such a disappointment; again with the implication that it would be replaced by a new design, likely bringing back a fingerprint reader and home button, not to mention the notch (though they never explicitly stated these things, but again, they were implying the iPhone X was a failure).

    Of course, since February we've seen a number of new phones announced with notches (including rumors of Google's own Pixel 3) and we're seeing Android P will include gestures without having/needing a physical home button (and most Android phones, while they still have a fingerprint sensor, aren't using that as their home button).

    To me, the idea that Apple is cancelling the iPhone X is debunked. Yes, it will be replaced as, from what I can tell, economically it won't be practical for Apple to offer it at a lower price than its replacement. Instead, they're keeping the features of the X (even the controversial ones), and offering a direct replacement that appears to look the same (or extremely similar), along with a larger version and a "cheap" version that uses an LCD display.
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    06-08-2018 04:20 PM
  11. Closingracer's Avatar
    Not always - the iPhone 5 was cancelled immediately when the 5S was launched, probably because the 5 lacked proper 4G support.
    The 5 wasn’t “canceled” just rebranded as a 5C with the same internals with 4G support. The 5s kept on the external.
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    06-08-2018 06:10 PM
  12. Closingracer's Avatar
    It is true that Apple typically kept the previous years flagship and sold it at a lower price. As pointed out, the iPhone 5 was one example where Apple didn't -- and instead offered a different "low cost" option rather than continuing to sell the older phone (the 5c).

    My impression is that the X replacement is going to be priced somewhat lower than the X; my guess is $100 less, or so. The rumors, at least that I've seen, seem to imply that the X Plus (the new larger OLED iPhone) will be roughly the price of the current X, that the X replacement will be $100 or so cheaper. Because of this, it doesn't make sense for Apple to continue to sell the X -- since the old phones are typically only $100 off, meaning the X and the new iPhone would sell for essentially the same price. Instead, they'll have an LCD version of the X that will become the new "budget" phone.

    We know one of the ways the new iPhone will be less expensive is that they'll have LG panels instead of Samsung panels. I also wonder if they won't have an aluminum body, rather than the Stainless Steel of the X. And the Face ID technology should now be cheaper, now that it is a year old, than it was for the X.

    My issue with these iPhone X being "cancelled" or "killed" stories is that they largely came out in February and early March, along with the articles about how disappointing iPhone X sales had been. The clear implication that these "experts" seemed to be painting is that Apple was going to kill the iPhone X because it had been such a disappointment; again with the implication that it would be replaced by a new design, likely bringing back a fingerprint reader and home button, not to mention the notch (though they never explicitly stated these things, but again, they were implying the iPhone X was a failure).

    Of course, since February we've seen a number of new phones announced with notches (including rumors of Google's own Pixel 3) and we're seeing Android P will include gestures without having/needing a physical home button (and most Android phones, while they still have a fingerprint sensor, aren't using that as their home button).

    To me, the idea that Apple is cancelling the iPhone X is debunked. Yes, it will be replaced as, from what I can tell, economically it won't be practical for Apple to offer it at a lower price than its replacement. Instead, they're keeping the features of the X (even the controversial ones), and offering a direct replacement that appears to look the same (or extremely similar), along with a larger version and a "cheap" version that uses an LCD display.
    They can easily just sell the X $200 off and have the 8 $200 off as well. Plenty of possibilities but the X isn’t being “canceled”
    06-08-2018 06:12 PM
  13. anony_mouse's Avatar
    To me, the idea that Apple is cancelling the iPhone X is debunked. Yes, it will be replaced
    ???
    You might want to read your post again.
    06-22-2018 02:41 PM
  14. anony_mouse's Avatar
    The 5 wasn’t “canceled” just rebranded as a 5C with the same internals with 4G support. The 5s kept on the external.
    It was cancelled in the sense that they did not make any more of them, which I think is the normal definition of "cancelled".
    06-22-2018 02:42 PM
  15. Closingracer's Avatar
    It was cancelled in the sense that they did not make any more of them, which I think is the normal definition of "cancelled".
    Well then every phone gets canceled
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    06-22-2018 07:32 PM
  16. xtremeled's Avatar
    So here's another take, this time from Tom's Guide:

    "According to a new report, disappointing demand for the smartphone will drive Apple to discontinue this 5.8-inch device, when a new, larger iPhone X Plus (among others) takes its place.

    This claim comes from highly-regarded Apple prognosticator Ming-Chi Kuo, an analyst at the KGI securities firm. Since Kuo's notes aren't released to the public, we've learned this from an AppleInsider report that also states Kuo's claim that Apple didn't sell as many iPhone X handsets in China as was expected, and that "the notch" is at least partially to blame."

    Click here for a link to entire article

    Note, this article mentions an iPhone X Plus, among others....
    The phones are starting to get ridiculously big. Pretty soon, discontinue phones and just hold a MBP up to your skull.. Dam things barely fit in pockets now
    06-22-2018 11:41 PM
  17. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    The phones are starting to get ridiculously big. Pretty soon, discontinue phones and just hold a MBP up to your skull.. Dam things barely fit in pockets now
    This isn’t anything new. The Plus model iPhones haven’t gotten any bigger since the 6 Plus was released in 2014. Even before that there were plenty of 6” smartphones available from other manufacturers.
    iPhone X is actually noticeably smaller than any of the Plus models. I can’t imagine a 6.5” version of the X would be larger than any Plus model.
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    06-23-2018 06:07 AM
  18. mogelijk's Avatar
    ???
    You might want to read your post again.
    Remember these reports were coming out in February, and tended to give the idea that it was being cancelled then. It also gave the impression of how the X was a failure -- and while not explicitly stating -- with an implication that it was being completely ended and not replaced by an updated version.

    As I've stated here, you aren't hearing reports of how the Galaxy S9 is being cancelled, despite the reporting of the rumors of next year's Galaxy S10, which will replace the S9. "Cancelled," at least in the cell phone world, tends to be only used when a product line is being cancelled, and no replacement phone will be made; such as the Essential 2 phone being cancelled.
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    06-23-2018 09:28 AM
  19. doogald's Avatar
    Remember these reports were coming out in February, and tended to give the idea that it was being cancelled then. It also gave the impression of how the X was a failure -- and while not explicitly stating -- with an implication that it was being completely ended and not replaced by an updated version.
    The original post has a link from a Forbes article in February that says:

    - yes, that "sales are disappointing" (though particularly in China)
    - yes, that the phone will be canceled.
    - BUT - "production ceasing in the summer." Remember that it is still summer when Apple typically announces the current year's iPhone(s) in early September. It did not say that the phone was being canceled immediately.
    - that though sales are disappointing, they are still up 5% (which turned out to be about right).

    One thing that it didn't say or imply was that the iPhone X was being completely ended and not replaced by an updated version. In fact, the original article stated that the iPhone X will be replaced by "three new iPhone X inspired designs". If anything, this article implied that the current iPhone X would not continue as the $100 off year old phone, as Apple typically does. A lot of people seemed to read a lot more into this article, though.
    06-23-2018 11:41 AM
  20. xtremeled's Avatar
    This isn’t anything new. The Plus model iPhones haven’t gotten any bigger since the 6 Plus was released in 2014. Even before that there were plenty of 6” smartphones available from other manufacturers.
    iPhone X is actually noticeably smaller than any of the Plus models. I can’t imagine a 6.5” version of the X would be larger than any Plus model.
    You limited your response to Apple, I didn't. Across the board, Phones are getting stupid big. I have a client that has the largest phone I've ever seen. She looks like shes holding a tablet to her ear. It looks way past ridiculous.
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    06-23-2018 02:35 PM
  21. mogelijk's Avatar
    The original post has a link from a Forbes article in February that says:

    - yes, that "sales are disappointing" (though particularly in China)
    - yes, that the phone will be canceled.
    - BUT - "production ceasing in the summer." Remember that it is still summer when Apple typically announces the current year's iPhone(s) in early September. It did not say that the phone was being canceled immediately.
    - that though sales are disappointing, they are still up 5% (which turned out to be about right).

    One thing that it didn't say or imply was that the iPhone X was being completely ended and not replaced by an updated version. In fact, the original article stated that the iPhone X will be replaced by "three new iPhone X inspired designs". If anything, this article implied that the current iPhone X would not continue as the $100 off year old phone, as Apple typically does. A lot of people seemed to read a lot more into this article, though.
    And that is fine. The issue is, the Forbes article came out at a time that there were lots of "iPhone X cancelled" articles were appearing -- and most didn't limit themselves like the Forbes article.

    Additionally, I have an issue with "sales are disappointing" -- again, leading to the impression that is why the iPhone X is being "cancelled." Again, all cell phone sales are down for about the last year, at least other than Apple's which are up, if only by 5%.

    Last, again, you hear about the new "replacement" of cell phones, not how the old model was "cancelled" when the new model is introduced. I heard nothing ever about the the Samsung S8 was being cancelled before the S9 was released, and little about "disappointing sales" -- and the S8 sales were down compared with the S7; or about how the LG G7 was being cancelled so they could introduce the G7 ThinQ. You hear about a phone being cancelled when you hear about phones like Essential, where the Essential PH-2 was actually cancelled and won't be coming to market.

    The purpose of saying the iPhone X being cancelled seemed to be to make the phone sound as if it were failing, at least in most cases.
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    06-23-2018 06:21 PM
  22. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    You limited your response to Apple, I didn't. Across the board, Phones are getting stupid big. I have a client that has the largest phone I've ever seen. She looks like shes holding a tablet to her ear. It looks way past ridiculous.
    All I was saying is that phones have been stupid big for a while now. It isn’t anything new. I used iPhone as an example because this is an Apple-centric forum (or at least it used to be).
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    06-23-2018 08:21 PM
  23. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Well then every phone gets canceled
    Yes that is exactly my point!
    06-24-2018 05:23 AM
  24. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Remember these reports were coming out in February, and tended to give the idea that it was being cancelled then. It also gave the impression of how the X was a failure -- and while not explicitly stating -- with an implication that it was being completely ended and not replaced by an updated version.

    As I've stated here, you aren't hearing reports of how the Galaxy S9 is being cancelled, despite the reporting of the rumors of next year's Galaxy S10, which will replace the S9. "Cancelled," at least in the cell phone world, tends to be only used when a product line is being cancelled, and no replacement phone will be made; such as the Essential 2 phone being cancelled.
    I think there is far too much sensitivity here about the word "cancelled". The iPhone 10 will be cancelled sooner or later, like every other phone. I assume that most people here are not actually personally involved in the development of the iPhone 10, so why care so much?
    06-24-2018 05:26 AM
  25. anony_mouse's Avatar
    And that is fine. The issue is, the Forbes article came out at a time that there were lots of "iPhone X cancelled" articles were appearing -- and most didn't limit themselves like the Forbes article.

    Additionally, I have an issue with "sales are disappointing" -- again, leading to the impression that is why the iPhone X is being "cancelled." Again, all cell phone sales are down for about the last year, at least other than Apple's which are up, if only by 5%.

    Last, again, you hear about the new "replacement" of cell phones, not how the old model was "cancelled" when the new model is introduced. I heard nothing ever about the the Samsung S8 was being cancelled before the S9 was released, and little about "disappointing sales" -- and the S8 sales were down compared with the S7; or about how the LG G7 was being cancelled so they could introduce the G7 ThinQ. You hear about a phone being cancelled when you hear about phones like Essential, where the Essential PH-2 was actually cancelled and won't be coming to market.

    The purpose of saying the iPhone X being cancelled seemed to be to make the phone sound as if it were failing, at least in most cases.
    Why do you care so much? Like it or not, Apple are the most prominent manufacturer of smart phones in the world today. There may be some sensationalist articles (both good and bad) about them from time to time, but overall Apple benefit enormously from all the free publicity.
    TgeekB likes this.
    06-24-2018 05:29 AM
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