1. TylerLV76's Avatar
    Let’s discuss this.

    Trend for telework is increasing.
    For those employees who do not work in the office, there is a need to communicate with those who are in the office. They are provided with phones to accomplish this. Often there is a need for teleconferences, and while Connect and GotoMeeting are useful, they are primarily used when there is screen sharing. For other times the phone is used.
    In addition, even without teleconferences, there is a need to speak to someone using....a phone. Since one party is in the office and the other isn’t, a desktop isn’t a viable option leaving the work provided mobile as the only viable option. So a call is used.
    A trend is not a static measurement. It is a movement. Therefore it either increases or decreases but by definition once you speak of trend you speak of movement. Which means that the total usage of mobile for telework employees is rising.
    Mobiles used to be a status thing. Only executives got them. Not anymore. Rank and file employees who are now increasingly working from home get 1) a laptop and 2) either an iPhone or a Samsung.
    And they use the phone as a phone. For calls.
    Nobody is arguing the "trend" what you're missing is even with the "trend" the amount of people involved in this "trend" is statistically much lower than those not involved. Those in the "trend" are in the minority.

    A trend is fine but it doesnt change the statistical numbers that prove the minority of users utilize the phone anywhere near as much as those who dont.

    Its like saying "health consciousness in America is trending much higher than previous years", which it is. It doesnt change the fact that Americans lead the obesity averages in the world.

    Trends are a shift and thats it. Your trend however would need to take a staggering shift to not be in the minority. Over Half of the US workforce would need to utilize mobile phones for them not to be in the minority. According to your stats only 7% currently do.
    02-01-2018 11:12 AM
  2. TylerLV76's Avatar
    Of course people text. Nobody is saying otherwise. For my personal use it’s 50/50. But for work, it’s 95/5 in favor of calls. You can’t teleconference via text.
    And 95/5 of mine is the opposite way. What we are doing doesnt matter, its what the majority does that is being discussed.
    02-01-2018 11:13 AM
  3. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Nobody is arguing the "trend" what you're missing is even with the "trend" the amount of people involved in this "trend" is statistically much lower than those not involved. Those in the "trend" are in the minority.

    A trend is fine but it doesnt change the statistical numbers that prove the minority of users utilize the phone anywhere near as much as those who dont.

    Its like saying "health consciousness in America is trending much higher than previous years", which it is. It doesnt change the fact that Americans lead the obesity averages in the world.

    Trends are a shift and thats it. Your trend however would need to take a staggering shift to not be in the minority. Over Half of the US workforce would need to utilize mobile phones for them not to be in the minority. According to your stats only 7% currently do.
    Of course there will never be a majority who will fall in with the trend of teleworking. There are jobs that are impossible to do from home. Police work, military, industry, all require travel to a workplace. It is ludicrous to attempt to make a case for a majority of a workforce being telework. But telework *IS* coming further into use. It *IS* a trend.

    But let’s get back to your post which I originally answered.

    If the call still shows up without taking over what your doing its still a phone, just not an invasive phone when unwanted spam calls come through.

    Unfortunately these phones are rarely used for calls anymore. Its too easy to handle communication other than making an actual call. Truth be told, calls are the most annoying aspect of phones nowadays.
    “Unfortunately these phones are rarely used for calls anymore.”

    This is incongruous with the statistics I showed.

    Let me use one real life scenario rather than statistics.

    DHS Headquarters has several components, scattered all over DC. These are thousands of people. By 2020, all these components will consolidate under one roof in a location in the southern side of DC. In order to accommodate these literal thousands of employees, DHS will be hoteling. Meaning that an employee logs into a reservation app and chooses a workstation for the day. They will bring with them their laptop or use thin client stations that will allow them to log into the virtual desktop through a dumb terminal to the server. The one thing they will always have is their mobile. Which they will use since there will not be desktops and the soft phone may not be an option in noisy open work spaces.

    Besides the work situation, there are increasing numbers who no longer keep a landline. I haven’t had a landline since 2005. Why pay for a landline when I can be immediately reached everywhere on my mobile? That is another trend that is on the rise.

    So the premise that the phone function is rarely used doesn’t take these populations into account, those who do their phones as phones.
    02-01-2018 11:42 AM
  4. TylerLV76's Avatar
    Of course there will never be a majority who will fall in with the trend of teleworking. There are jobs that are impossible to do from home. Police work, military, industry, all require travel to a workplace. It is ludicrous to attempt to make a case for a majority of a workforce being telework. But telework *IS* coming further into use. It *IS* a trend.

    But let’s get back to your post which I originally answered.



    “Unfortunately these phones are rarely used for calls anymore.”

    This is incongruous with the statistics I showed.

    Let me use one real life scenario rather than statistics.

    DHS Headquarters has several components, scattered all over DC. These are thousands of people. By 2020, all these components will consolidate under one roof in a location in the southern side of DC. In order to accommodate these literal thousands of employees, DHS will be hoteling. Meaning that an employee logs into a reservation app and chooses a workstation for the day. They will bring with them their laptop or use thin client stations that will allow them to log into the virtual desktop through a dumb terminal to the server. The one thing they will always have is their mobile. Which they will use since there will not be desktops and the soft phone may not be an option in noisy open work spaces.

    Besides the work situation, there are increasing numbers who no longer keep a landline. I haven’t had a landline since 2005. Why pay for a landline when I can be immediately reached everywhere on my mobile? That is another trend that is on the rise.

    So the premise that the phone function is rarely used doesn’t take these populations into account, those who do their phones as phones.
    Dear god. You and I have both posted facts that support that the minority of users use the phone more than other forms. We are both comparing CURRENT facts and stats. You are trying to dismiss your own stats because of something that may or may not change in the future.

    The facts are that right now, the majority of users rarely use the phone for calls. 37% still use them for such communication. 37% is a minority right here right now, not what a trend may or may not do.

    The population took into account ALL mobile phone users including the work force as well as those of us who havent had land lines in a decade. Thats how statistics are built.

    Nobody said "phone use is trending down" I said statistics show phone use is in the minority of communication and the stats we have both posted support that.

    I dont get why this is so difficult when you are posting stats to support these numbers.
    02-01-2018 11:47 AM
  5. TylerLV76's Avatar
    You acknowledge this stat right?

    Americans text twice as much as they call, on average. (Nielsen)
    02-01-2018 11:50 AM
  6. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Dear god. You and I have both posted facts that support that the minority of users use the phone more than other forms. We are both comparing CURRENT facts and stats. You are trying to dismiss your own stats because of something that may or may not change in the future.

    The facts are that right now, the majority of users rarely use the phone for calls. 37% still use them for such communication. 37% is a minority right here right now, not what a trend may or may not do.

    The population took into account ALL mobile phone users including the work force as well as those of us who havent had land lines in a decade. Thats how statistics are built as well

    I dont get why this is so difficult when you are posting stats to support these numbers.
    I am posting stats to counter your assessment that phones are rarely used. I’m showing you situations, personal in the case of people who no longer use landlines, and in the enterprise, with telework trends rising, where the phone is used as a phone.

    I *never* argued either way for majority/minority. That was your gig.

    My point is that people *do* use the phone function of a phone and particularly so with the current trend for work from home. Which *IS* on the rise.
    02-01-2018 11:51 AM
  7. TylerLV76's Avatar
    I am posting stats to counter your assessment that phones are rarely used. I’m showing you situations, personal in the case of people who no longer use landlines, and in the enterprise, with telework trends rising, where the phone is used as a phone.

    I *never* argued either way for majority/minority. That was your gig.

    My point is that people *do* use the phone function of a phone and particularly so with the current trend for work from home. Which *IS* on the rise.
    Nobody ever said people dont use phones.

    My words:
    Unfortunately these phones are rarely used for calls anymore.
    37% usage is considered rarely. 7% of the workforce utilizes mobile phones as a primary source of communication. Again rarely. People text 66% of the time vs calls. Again, 33% is rarely.
    02-01-2018 11:54 AM
  8. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Nobody ever said people dont use phones.

    My words:


    37% usage is considered rarely. 7% of the workforce utilizes mobile phones. Again rarely. People text 66% of the time vs calls. Again, 33% is rarely.
    37% is not rarely. It is one third of usage. That is not rarely.
    02-01-2018 11:56 AM
  9. TylerLV76's Avatar
    37% is not rarely. It is one third of usage. That is not rarely.
    6 minutes a day is the average. You think 6 minutes per day is not rarely?

    Either way you wanna word it its still the minority by a long shot.
    02-01-2018 11:58 AM
  10. qbnkelt's Avatar
    6 minutes a day is the average. You think 6 minutes per day is not rarely?

    Either way you wanna word it its still the minority by a long shot.
    You are the one making s case for majority/minority.

    I am saying teleworking is trending up and those who do so are issued mobile devices.

    I spend literally hours per day on the phone. This is my day today. All these are calls. There will be others on those calls. They will be using their phones.

    And this isn’t my heavy day.

    02-01-2018 12:05 PM
  11. qbnkelt's Avatar
    And the push is for more. And the trend is up.
    https://www.telework.gov/

    02-01-2018 12:09 PM
  12. TylerLV76's Avatar
    Again, your individual usage does not matter in this discussion because you are in a small minority that uses the phone.

    Ill give you my wifes stats. No landline, Owns a business, works on the road.

    December:
    Calls - 1789 minutes
    Texts - 6124
    Emails - No way to count but Im going to average low and say 20 per day 6 days a week. Thats 480 emails.

    6604 means of communication besides calls.
    1789 minutes of calls.

    Roughly 21% of her communication was calls. 21 percent.

    You are arguing that the population statistically uses the phone more than any other means of communication when your own numbers dont support that.

    You clearly arent willing to accept the stats you've provided so I can only assume you just want to debate nonsense. The numbers on phone usage is there for you to view. If you dont like it, cool but it doesnt change the fact that the phone is rarely used when compared to all other forms of communication.

    So you understand, that 37% compared calls, texts and email. No chat apps, no facebook, nothing else. How much smaller do you think that number will shrink when you compare those other forms of communication?
    02-01-2018 12:11 PM
  13. TylerLV76's Avatar
    And the push is for more.
    https://www.telework.gov/
    Why do you keep posting trends when its been acknowledged that the trend is on the rise however only 7% of companies utilize that trend?
    02-01-2018 12:13 PM
  14. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Again, your individual usage does not matter in this discussion because you are in a small minority that uses the phone.

    Ill give you my wifes stats. No landline, Owns a business, works on the road.

    December:
    Calls - 1789 minutes
    Texts - 6124
    Emails - No way to count but Im going to average low and say 20 per day 6 days a week. Thats 480 emails.

    6604 means of communication besides calls.
    1789 minutes of calls.

    Roughly 21% of her communication was calls. 21 percent.

    You are arguing that the population statistically uses the phone more than any other means of communication when your own numbers dont support that.

    You clearly arent willing to accept the stats you've provided so I can only assume you just want to debate nonsense. The numbers on phone usage is there for you to view. If you dont like it, cool but it doesnt change the fact that the phone is rarely used when compared to all other forms of communication.

    So you understand, that 37% compared calls, texts and email. No chat apps, no facebook, nothing else. How much smaller do you think that number will shrink when you compare those other forms of communication?
    WRONG. Show me where I said that the phone is statistically used more than other means of communication.

    Go ahead. I’ll wait.

    And again, I am not making any case for majority/minority.
    02-01-2018 12:17 PM
  15. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Why do you keep posting trends when its been acknowledged that the trend is on the rise however only 7% of companies utilize that trend?
    Because the trend means that phone use is not “rarely” used. All these people use phones. Increasingly so.
    02-01-2018 12:19 PM
  16. TylerLV76's Avatar
    WRONG. Show me where I said that the phone is statistically used more than other means of communication.

    Go ahead. I’ll wait.

    And again, I am not making any case for majority/minority.
    This is incongruous with the statistics I showed.
    And NOBODY but you is discussing Trends, literally nobody. We were discussing statistics backing up my claims that the phone is rarely used compared to other forms of communication.

    This conversation is incredibly ridiculous. Enjoy your trends.
    02-01-2018 12:20 PM
  17. TylerLV76's Avatar
    Because the trend means that phone use is not “rarely” used. All these people use phones. Increasingly so.
    7% of them. 7%.
    02-01-2018 12:20 PM
  18. qbnkelt's Avatar
    And NOBODY but you is discussing Trends, literally nobody. We were discussing statistics backing up my claims that the phone is rarely used compared to other forms of communication.

    This conversation is incredibly ridiculous. Enjoy your trends.
    Are you leaving?

    Your statement that phones are rarely used is not borne out by the fact that the enterprise is moving to telework. *YOU* got on a majority/minority gig. Which I *NEVER* argued.

    I did argue for a trend because it proves that with enterprise moving to telework the phone portion of the mobile device is increasingly of use.
    02-01-2018 12:22 PM
  19. TylerLV76's Avatar
    Are you leaving?

    Your statement that phones are rarely used is not borne out by the fact that the enterprise is moving to telework. *YOU* got on a majority/minority gig. Which I *NEVER* argued.

    I did argue for a trend because it proves that with enterprise moving to telework the phone portion of the mobile device is increasingly of use.
    NOBODY said a trend, NOBODY. Statistics for current usage supports the claim that the phone is rarely used.

    Your division that is "trending" is 7% of the workforce. That doesnt even include personal use.

    You're being incredibly ridiculous by continuing to prove the point that the phone is rarely used and only a minority uses it. Thats how the statistic is based, by minority vs majority. Thats what determines its rare use.

    You're screwing with me right? This conversation is just some insane way to cure boredom or something?
    02-01-2018 12:25 PM
  20. qbnkelt's Avatar
    7% of them. 7%.

    In 1920s the Model T was a rare. In the 1950s most homes had two phones. In the 1980s mobile phones were rare.

    Trends are not static. Statistics change as demographics and technology change.
    02-01-2018 12:26 PM
  21. TylerLV76's Avatar
    In 1920s the Model T was a rare. In the 1950s most homes had two phones. In the 1980s mobile phones were rare.

    Trends are not static. Statistics change as demographics and technology change.
    And in those eras those devices were not technology that has progressed and evolved past its peak usage.

    Again, TRENDS do not equal statistics for today.
    02-01-2018 12:27 PM
  22. qbnkelt's Avatar
    NOBODY said a trend, NOBODY. Statistics for current usage supports the claim that the phone is rarely used.

    Your division that is "trending" is 7% of the workforce. That doesnt even include personal use.

    You're being incredibly ridiculous by continuing to prove the point that the phone is rarely used and only a minority uses it. Thats how the statistic is based, by minority vs majority. Thats what determines its rare use.

    You're screwing with me right? This conversation is just some insane way to cure boredom or something?
    Nope. I’m curious as to why you would think that people rarely talk on the phone.

    Let’s go back. You said phones are rarely used. I said not so, teleworkers use their phones all day. You got in a minority/majority gig. I showed telework is trending up.
    02-01-2018 12:29 PM
  23. TylerLV76's Avatar
    Nope. I’m curious as to why you would think that people rarely talk on the phone.

    Let’s go back. You said phones are rarely used. I said not so, teleworkers use their phones all day. You got in a minority/majority gig. I showed telework is trending up.
    Teleworkers make up 7% of the workforce. 7%. It would have to trend at a staggering rate to even hit 50% of the workforce which you admit is unlikely.

    My stats show the phone is used 33% of the time vs texts alone. Just texts. No other form of communication, simply texts.

    How are you not comprehending this?
    02-01-2018 12:31 PM
  24. qbnkelt's Avatar
    And in those eras those devices were not technology that has progressed and evolved past its peak usage.

    Again, TRENDS do not equal statistics for today.
    Uuuummmmm.....trends *are* statistics. They show the movement of statistical data, either up or down.

    What do you think trends are?
    02-01-2018 12:31 PM
  25. TylerLV76's Avatar
    Uuuummmmm.....trends *are* statistics. They show the movement of statistical data, either up or down.

    What do you think trends are?

    Trends are not static. Statistics change as demographics and technology change.
    Yeah, we're done. You are just looking to argue considering you're now arguing your own statements.
    02-01-2018 12:32 PM
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