1. brandonflan's Avatar
    Why would anyone not use a case with this?
    That’s what I’d be asking.
    Just_Me_D and rong21 like this.
    11-17-2017 07:31 PM
  2. Retinella's Avatar
    Normally, I would keep a response to post like this to myself...because it was plainly written by someone younger than myself because it has the notion of "entitlement" written all over it. But, because of the two positions you hold here on this web forum...that deals primarily with fairly expensive mobile devices instead of plastic "go phones", I felt an urge to do so.

    Are you serious?

    Apple is in the business of building high-end mobile devices that are borderline objects of art. People have been more than willing (as you too were, obviously...) to spend the price to buy mobile phones that were not cheaply made and ugly...but rather were crafted of metal and glass, and beautiful. You did know that the phone was made of glass panels before you bought it, didn't you? I mean, you certainly did enough due diligence to know that it was not made of unbreakable glass? That means if you dropped it...it would most certainly break. Glass does that. All glass does that. Every time.

    Apple offers insurance against damage...even from negligence or clumsiness, and offers it at a very reasonable price. Most service carriers do the same. My personal carrier is Verizon...and for $11.00 monthly I am completely covered come what may. I always use an Apple leather case on my phones, and rarely if ever drop them...but if I do and it breaks, I have the insurance on it just like I have on my car, that I hardly ever wreck. It just makes good sense to CYA.

    So...all this being said, if you choose to carry your phone "naked" without the protection of a case, and you choose to be too frugal to spend the amount for AppleCare or carrier insurance...and your drop your phone, and it breaks...

    ...you are pissed at Apple?

    I ask again...are you serious?
    Of course I'm serious. Otherwise I wouldn't have wrote what I wrote. It's my opinion and you have your opinion.

    Phones aren't art. Their purpose is to make calls, surf the web, and do other tasks. People drop things all the time, you know, because of gravity and all. Apple, and other phone manufacturers, should be making phones that can be dropped and not break, or can survive when they're dropped with just a little scuff or scrape. BTW, the S8 active isn't a "go phone". It's a high-end, $850 device.

    I don't know if you noticed, but the rear glass on the iPhone X costs $549 to fix--more than half the price of the iPhone X. And cases don't always prevent breakage. My car's fender got smashed in and that was cheaper to fix than the rear glass back of the iPhone X. I have AppleCare+ and it's absurd for Apple to charge ridiculous prices to repair a phone, especially after I'm spending $200 for their insurance plan. At that point, I might as well spend $250 more and get a new X. Or something else. But maybe that's what Apple wants us to do.
    11-17-2017 07:47 PM
  3. Premium1's Avatar
    Don’t be offended. I’m simply asking a question based on my observations that are not limited to the iMore Forums. If I opt to buy an iPhone encased in glass, why would I blame Apple when I drop and break it? It’s not like Apple dropped it. Is not the fault all ‘mine’? Why would I blame Apple for choosing to keep a device that I felt was too slippery to grasp firmly and then end up dropping and breaking it? Did I not have the option to return the slippery device or encase it in a non-slippery case? When do we take responsibility for our own actions or decisions? Apple creates new iPhone devices every year, and during the keynote, they describe the materials used to make them. Afterwards, we make the decision to buy those items, and yet, rush to blame Apple for them not being strong enough, foolproof enough or not made specifically to our personal preferences. In addition, why do we get offended when someone uses ‘common sense’ by reminding us that there are non-Apple options available that may suit our needs better? I mean, when we complain, we tend to mention non-Apple devices that have everything we desire, but how dare someone uses common sense and recommend those products to us? I mean, it only makes sense these days to continue to use and complain about a product you’re unhappy with, right?........is common sense and personal responsibility no longer highly revered?
    It is like with everything anymore, nobody wants to accept responsibility for their actions. It doesn't help with the whole "everyone gets a trophy" movement. I agree 100% with what you are saying.
    Just_Me_D and lawless_pc like this.
    11-17-2017 07:56 PM
  4. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    It is like with everything anymore, nobody wants to accept responsibility for their actions. It doesn't help with the whole "everyone gets a trophy" movement. I agree 100% with what you are saying.
    Thank you....
    11-17-2017 08:02 PM
  5. Premium1's Avatar
    Thank you....
    I am a teacher so I see this far too often unfortunately.
    11-17-2017 08:38 PM
  6. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I am a teacher so I see this far too often unfortunately.
    Oh wow, I'm sure you do. I don't envy you, but I respect the heck out of you for having the patience and tenacity to teach. I'd be fired already...(laughing)
    Tartarus and MB64 like this.
    11-17-2017 08:42 PM
  7. Jude526's Avatar
    I get it all the time in my business. Some will claim up to it. Others try to blame it on the product itself. We sell high end and we also talk about how to care for the product. Not our fault if you decline and improperly care for your product. We give a warranty but it does have guidelines. We are good to our customers but please I know when someone is trying to fool me or give me some story
    11-17-2017 09:36 PM
  8. MB64's Avatar
    That’s because kids are not taught being responsible for their actions, they are taught about entitlement and being dependent on the government or someone else except themselves.

    It’s called indoctrination, sad but very true. Glad I am retiring in January and will be out of the workforce.
    Not just kids.....
    Annie_8plus likes this.
    11-17-2017 11:24 PM
  9. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I see the millennials and baby boomers have crossed paths here, lol
    Just_Me_D likes this.
    11-17-2017 11:43 PM
  10. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    Yep. They always sensationalize everything. "The best iPhone we've ever made." "The fastest iPhone ever."
    11-18-2017 12:15 AM
  11. mpham2's Avatar
    What I don't get is all the people complaining about the cost and risk of damage could have simply not bought the X. If you wanted a tank you should have bought a tank. Saying it is the strongest glass on an iphone ever could be true, but it is still glass.
    Just_Me_D likes this.
    11-18-2017 04:34 AM
  12. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Yep. They always sensationalize everything. "The best iPhone we've ever made." "The fastest iPhone ever."
    1. In your opinion, which iPhone, in and of itself, is the best one Apple has made?
    2. Of all of the iPhone models, which is the fastest in terms of processing speed?
    EagleFox007 likes this.
    11-18-2017 07:37 AM
  13. jj2339's Avatar
    What I don't get is all the people complaining about the cost and risk of damage could have simply not bought the X. If you wanted a tank you should have bought a tank. Saying it is the strongest glass on an iphone ever could be true, but it is still glass.
    True enough. Course the cynical person might say they intentionally make their ‘coolest’ phone as fragile as possible to rake in more dollars for accidents that even the most responsible person can have. And make sure that Apple care and the charge to fix is high enough to bring in revenue for extra bonuses. Or like they offer fast charging IF you buy an extra charger and cable.
    11-18-2017 08:40 AM
  14. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    True enough. Course the cynical person might say they intentionally make their ‘coolest’ phone as fragile as possible to rake in more dollars for accidents that even the most responsible person can have. And make sure that Apple care and the charge to fix is high enough to bring in revenue for extra bonuses. Or like they offer fast charging IF you buy an extra charger and cable.
    Like any company, Apple is in business to offer products and services at a profit. Everyday people do the same thing via eBay, Craig’s List and garage sales....
    Sherry_B likes this.
    11-18-2017 08:51 AM
  15. jj2339's Avatar
    Like any company, Apple is in business to offer products and services at a profit. Everyday people do the same thing via eBay, Craig’s List and garage sales....
    You totally missed the point.
    11-18-2017 08:52 AM
  16. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Like any company, Apple is in business to offer products and services at a profit. Everyday people do the same thing via eBay, Craig’s List and garage sales....
    No, I understood the point you were making.
    Sherry_B likes this.
    11-18-2017 08:56 AM
  17. jj2339's Avatar
    I’m all for profit, but there is a difference in making a profit and gouging. Those repair costs that are half the price of the phone, it’s a tad ridiculous. Course up to the buyer to decide what they are willing to pay.
    11-18-2017 09:18 AM
  18. SprSynJn's Avatar
    Did  say it was guaranteed not to break if dropped? I’m confused.
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    11-18-2017 09:40 AM
  19. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Did  say it was guaranteed not to break if dropped? I’m confused.
    Nope, and no, you are not confused...
    11-18-2017 09:50 AM
  20. Sherry_B's Avatar
    That’s because kids are not taught being responsible for their actions, they are taught about entitlement and being dependent on the government or someone else except themselves.

    It’s called indoctrination, sad but very true. Glad I am retiring in January and will be out of the workforce.
    Who exactly are you accusing of indoctrinating our children to be dependent on the government, or someone else, and not be responsible for their actions?
    reeneebob likes this.
    11-18-2017 10:05 AM
  21. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I’m all for profit, but there is a difference in making a profit and gouging. Those repair costs that are half the price of the phone, it’s a tad ridiculous. Course up to the buyer to decide what they are willing to pay.
    Right or wrong, it's marketing strategy that works like a charm for Apple because users buy anyway. And they know it. So they get away with the planned "gouging" techniques most users don't notice or care about. They know exactly what they're doing.
    11-18-2017 10:05 AM
  22. EagleFox007's Avatar
    I’m all for profit, but there is a difference in making a profit and gouging. Those repair costs that are half the price of the phone, it’s a tad ridiculous. Course up to the buyer to decide what they are willing to pay.
    You seem to to have a lot of disagreement on how Apple do their business and yet you still buy their product. Why is that? I’m just curious.
    11-18-2017 10:07 AM
  23. vimagreg's Avatar
    What I don't get is all the people complaining about the cost and risk of damage could have simply not bought the X. If you wanted a tank you should have bought a tank. Saying it is the strongest glass on an iphone ever could be true, but it is still glass.
    This!
    11-18-2017 10:40 AM
  24. vimagreg's Avatar
    I’m all for profit, but there is a difference in making a profit and gouging. Those repair costs that are half the price of the phone, it’s a tad ridiculous. Course up to the buyer to decide what they are willing to pay.
    Man, just don't buy an Apple product if you don't agree with their terms. It's that simple! I really don't understand people spend thousands bucks in a very well know gadget, made by a very well know company and still keep complaining about both. Really, is there any sense in this manner?
    11-18-2017 10:45 AM
  25. vimagreg's Avatar
    Just to put my opinion: people who have money to spend on an iPhone X should know the meaning of responsibility. You bought. It was perfect (assuming it was; if it's not the case so you have right to an exchange). You decided not to put a case. You dropped the phone. It broken. It's all up to you. "Ow but Apple makes iPhone fragile on purpose just to take advantage of my own mistake and make money with it". Ok, if you believe in that, don't buy Apple and nothing to see here.

    I really don't understand why this is so hard to understand...
    mpham2 and jhnnyblze2000 like this.
    11-18-2017 10:49 AM
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