1. C6TX6's Avatar
    It was foiled with identical twins.
    Identical twins do NOT have the same fingerprints!

    Big fail right there in that 1 in 1,000,000.

    For most uses, it will do, right?
    Last edited by C6TX6; 10-31-2017 at 05:48 PM.
    10-31-2017 09:44 AM
  2. John Yester's Avatar
    "The chance that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone X and unlock it with their face is about one in one million. Of course, the statistics are lowered if that person shares a close genetic relationship with you. So, for example, if you happen to have an evil twin, you really need to protect your sensitive data with a passcode."


    Everything else, I would not be concerned.
    10-31-2017 10:04 AM
  3. krazyatom's Avatar
    You can always use pass code only if you really want security!
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    10-31-2017 11:36 AM
  4. msm0511's Avatar
    It was foiled with identical twins.
    Identical twins do NOT have the same fingerprints!

    Big fail right there in that 1 in 1,000,000.

    For most uses, it will do, right?
    Wouldn't an identical twin be that one in a million case? Besides, how many of us have identical twins running around? FWIW I saw on one of the first look reviews that they tried with identical twins and it didn't fool FaceID. Of course I can't remember which one now.
    scorpiodsu, Just_Me_D and Premium1 like this.
    10-31-2017 11:58 AM
  5. Tartarus's Avatar
    Wouldn't an identical twin be that one in a million case? Besides, how many of us have identical twins running around? FWIW I saw on one of the first look reviews that they tried with identical twins and it didn't fool FaceID. Of course I can't remember which one now.
    This was covered in the Keynote. While identical twins should in theory be able to fool FaceID, it doesn’t though.

    Of course there is a higher probability of fooling, but you’ll know that soon enough with the initial setup.

    I can’t imagine when you’re on speaking terms with your identical twin you won’t test it out.
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    10-31-2017 12:17 PM
  6. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I just want to say that 1 in 1,000,000 is more secure than 1 in 50,000. It never claimed to be 1 in 8,000,000,000, or more or less 100% secure. There is still room for error. However TouchID is easier to fool than FaceID. Once Apple figures out TouchID under the screen and we can use TouchID and FaceID together that will greatly increase the security value.
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    10-31-2017 12:49 PM
  7. Quis89's Avatar
    This was covered in the Keynote. While identical twins should in theory be able to fool FaceID, it doesn’t though.
    Yes it does. There is a video released by CNNMoney showing this very thing happening. I assume that's the video the OP is referencing.
    10-31-2017 12:56 PM
  8. evanking527's Avatar
    Turns out Face ID is in fact more secure than Touch ID. If you are a twin and are concerned that your twin will misuse your biological similarities to invade your electronics, you may have bigger problems than your choice of phone
    10-31-2017 12:57 PM
  9. Quis89's Avatar
    I just want to say that 1 in 1,000,000 is more secure than 1 in 50,000. It never claimed to be 1 in 8,000,000,000, or more or less 100% secure. There is still room for error. However TouchID is easier to fool than FaceID. Once Apple figures out TouchID under the screen and we can use TouchID and FaceID together that will greatly increase the security value.
    I've seen people say this since Apple mentioned the security of FaceID at the keynote. Prior to their keynote I didn't hear anyone questioning the security of TouchID. Especially considering the world was using TouchID to authenticate purchases at stores across the world. In what ways could TouchID be fooled? I'm honestly not aware of the ways. Though, considering how easy a set of twins tricked FaceID, I can imagine a pretty skilled makeup artist may be able to get past it.

    I'm personally not worried about the security of FaceID. But I do wonder where we decided TouchID wasn't secure.
    10-31-2017 01:00 PM
  10. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I've seen people say this since Apple mentioned the security of FaceID at the keynote. Prior to their keynote I didn't hear anyone questioning the security of TouchID. Especially considering the world was using TouchID to authenticate purchases at stores across the world. In what ways could TouchID be fooled? I'm honestly not aware of the ways. Though, considering how easy a set of twins tricked FaceID, I can imagine a pretty skilled makeup artist may be able to get past it.

    I'm personally not worried about the security of FaceID. But I do wonder where we decided TouchID wasn't secure.
    I don’t think isn’t secure, it’s just that FaceID is more secure than TouchID, and together they would be even more secure. I hope Apple lets us use a passcode with FaceID and TouchID when they figure it out.
    10-31-2017 01:02 PM
  11. ajb1965's Avatar
    I think it will be deemed secure enough by all except the staunchest members of the tin foil hat club. It would be a waste for them anyway. You can’t use faceid if you are constantly looking over your shoulder...
    Tartarus and nr2d like this.
    10-31-2017 02:30 PM
  12. swarlos's Avatar
    seriously another one of these threads.
    DarlaMack, rong21 and Premium1 like this.
    10-31-2017 04:47 PM
  13. C6TX6's Avatar
    This is the price of convenience. However, one should NEVER be misled by something touting security which it isn't. If an identical twin can unlock your device which obviously means YOUR face didn't, it's a failing score plain and simple.

    Any organization that's using security prohbits the use of these methods anyhow. A secure PASSWORD is always required. And if an admin is allowing their MDM policy to allow it their credibility (and job!) is in serious jeopardy.

    EDIT::

    After reading into this more it appears that there is a setting to reduce sensitivity making unlocks quicker but at a cost of reduced security (i.e. falses).

    Since the video (Rachel Crane courtesy of CNN) did NOT disclose this information it's possible this demonstration could have been skewed by a non default setting.

    Another test with identical twins revealed the twin whose face was not scanned was NOT able to unlock the device.
    Last edited by C6TX6; 10-31-2017 at 05:51 PM.
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    10-31-2017 05:01 PM
  14. Retinella's Avatar
    It was foiled with identical twins.
    Identical twins do NOT have the same fingerprints!

    Big fail right there in that 1 in 1,000,000.

    For most uses, it will do, right?
    I have an identical twin brother. But he lives 2 hours away.
    10-31-2017 06:08 PM
  15. flyinion's Avatar
    I don’t think isn’t secure, it’s just that FaceID is more secure than TouchID, and together they would be even more secure. I hope Apple lets us use a passcode with FaceID and TouchID when they figure it out.
    I really don't think they should try to stuff a fingerprint scanner under the screen. IMO they should keep moving forward with FaceID and maybe add in iris scanning or something like that (think I read somewhere that exists and is similar to retina scanning?). Part of my reasoning is that while TouchID works, I've had enough issues with it that I hope FaceID works much better and would prefer not to ever use TouchID again (though I'm stuck with it for a while on my new iPad).
    Premium1 likes this.
    10-31-2017 06:27 PM
  16. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I really don't think they should try to stuff a fingerprint scanner under the screen. IMO they should keep moving forward with FaceID and maybe add in iris scanning or something like that (think I read somewhere that exists and is similar to retina scanning?). Part of my reasoning is that while TouchID works, I've had enough issues with it that I hope FaceID works much better and would prefer not to ever use TouchID again (though I'm stuck with it for a while on my new iPad).
    Well FaceID needs your eyes open to work so I assume it has some form of retina scanning.
    10-31-2017 06:28 PM
  17. flyinion's Avatar
    Well FaceID needs your eyes open to work so I assume it has some form of retina scanning.
    You can turn that off though. My understanding is it just knows the difference between open and closed eyes to make sure you're looking at the phone and actually want it unlocked. You can shut it off in accessibility though.
    10-31-2017 06:53 PM
  18. VFP616's Avatar
    Was not able to unlock in this twins test.

    https://www.facebook.com/techinsider...0566441141713/
    10-31-2017 08:49 PM
  19. darius_robin's Avatar
    It was foiled with identical twins.
    Identical twins do NOT have the same fingerprints!

    Big fail right there in that 1 in 1,000,000.

    For most uses, it will do, right?
    Lol, everyone has identical twins, right?
    11-01-2017 05:51 AM
  20. ray6712's Avatar
    Wouldn't an identical twin be that one in a million case? Besides, how many of us have identical twins running around? FWIW I saw on one of the first look reviews that they tried with identical twins and it didn't fool FaceID. Of course I can't remember which one now.
    Do you have a twin?
    11-01-2017 06:53 PM
  21. itsnotmeitsyou's Avatar
    What’s with the TBD? I’m pretty sure the millions of dollars Apple invested into having professionals test the hardware and software has already determined more than those of us on iMore could ever determine.
    MooMooPrincess and Tartarus like this.
    11-01-2017 06:57 PM
  22. msm0511's Avatar
    Do you have a twin?
    No I don't. I couldn't imagine another one of me running around. LOL
    darius_robin and ray6712 like this.
    11-01-2017 09:59 PM
  23. MooMooPrincess's Avatar
    Was not able to unlock in this twins test.

    https://www.facebook.com/techinsider...0566441141713/
    I saw one that was able and one that wasn't. So its weird.
    11-01-2017 10:15 PM
  24. ray6712's Avatar
    No I don't. I couldn't imagine another one of me running around. LOL
    So what’s the issue
    11-01-2017 11:12 PM
  25. C6TX6's Avatar
    What’s with the TBD? I’m pretty sure the millions of dollars Apple invested into having professionals test the hardware and software has already determined more than those of us on iMore could ever determine.

    Try billions of dollars. All companies do. And yet when the user base gets these devices bugs are found and (hopefully) patched. When millions of phones are deployed in the real world that's millions of user testing hours accumulated in short order. Vulnerabilities are constantly being discovered.

    Look at Dropbox. iOS 11 was in developer beta since this summer yet they still don't have photo upload working correctly as of iOS 11.1 official.
    11-02-2017 12:15 AM
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