1. James Falconer's Avatar
    I've heard a number of concerns from members, guests and friends about the upcoming Face ID Apple is using on the iPhone X.

    For me - I tend to reserve judgement until I can actually try it out first hand (hope to soon!), but until then, I'm going on what I can read and watch.

    What's your take on Face ID so far? Do you welcome it? Or do you see potential holes or pitfalls that may have gone overlooked?
    09-13-2017 09:53 AM
  2. Tartarus's Avatar
    It will be like the FPS on the iPhone 5S, it will work, but slow and sometimes even failures. Then a year later they will improve it and everyone will be delighted.
    09-13-2017 10:09 AM
  3. dejanh's Avatar
    Is unlikely it will work as well as Touch ID out of the gate. There are some clear limitations as well compared to Touch ID that were laid out well in a commentary piece on Android Central actually. Overall, it’s a Plan B, and always was a Plan B.
    09-13-2017 10:15 AM
  4. Retinella's Avatar
    I like the idea of FaceID, but I think it's stupid that you'll have to swipe up to unlock the phone. It should just read your face and open.
    09-13-2017 10:23 AM
  5. iLive an iLife's Avatar
    I like the idea of FaceID, but I think it's stupid that you'll have to swipe up to unlock the phone. It should just read your face and open.
    I think they opted for this because there's no way to view notifications on the home screen otherwise. If you pick up your phone to check the time/a notification/whatever, it would insanely unlock. I think there needs to be another step but I don't know if swiping is it (virtual home button you 3D Touch?). I'm not really a fan of Face ID. I
    don't think it's developed enough. Will that stop me from getting an X? Who knows.
    robertk328 likes this.
    09-13-2017 11:22 AM
  6. si001's Avatar
    Can't wait to read the conspiracy theorist about that face ID.
    Tartarus likes this.
    09-13-2017 11:47 AM
  7. tcuprof's Avatar
    I wasn't concerned about Face ID until the botched demo. Now I'm concerned.
    zinedine likes this.
    09-13-2017 12:31 PM
  8. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I wasn't concerned about Face ID until the botched demo. Now I'm concerned.
    You mean the same security measure unlock with Apple Watch on Mac and TouchID have? They just failed to have the device properly ready for the keynote. It didn’t fail to work, it just stated that PIN was required to use FaceID again.
    Tartarus and nr2d like this.
    09-13-2017 12:48 PM
  9. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I’m ok with FaceID, and swiping to unlock. I already have to hold my finger on the FPS for as long as it would take to swipe up so no change there time-wise. It’ll catch on, the 3D mapping for facial recognition that is. I can’t wait to try it out.
    09-13-2017 12:49 PM
  10. tcuprof's Avatar
    You mean the same security measure unlock with Apple Watch on Mac and TouchID have? They just failed to have the device properly ready for the keynote. It didn’t fail to work, it just stated that PIN was required to use FaceID again.
    The device wasn't properly ready for the demo?? Really? Sorry, I just find that highly unlikely. You're talking about what likely will become the most important technological change and the phone wasn't ready to demo it? I find it far more likely that the Face ID simply failed to work.
    areyes163 likes this.
    09-13-2017 12:51 PM
  11. MizWylie's Avatar
    In a humorous manner: I'm worried that Face ID will know me so well and pass my facial characteristics on to SkyNet.
    09-13-2017 12:51 PM
  12. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    The device wasn't properly ready for the demo?? Really? Sorry, I just find that highly unlikely. You're talking about what likely will become the most important technological change and the phone wasn't ready to demo it? I find it far more likely that the Face ID simply failed to work.
    Watch it again. It literally shows on the screen the message that PIN is required to activate FaceID. It’s a security measure, but it did indeed recognize his face. They failed to have it set up properly for the keynote.
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    09-13-2017 12:52 PM
  13. tcuprof's Avatar
    Watch it again. It literally shows on the screen the message that PIN is required to activate FaceID. It’s a security measure, but it did indeed recognize his face. They failed to have it set up properly for the keynote.
    If that was true, there would already be news of an eviscerated Apply employee.
    09-13-2017 12:55 PM
  14. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    The device wasn't properly ready for the demo?? Really? Sorry, I just find that highly unlikely. You're talking about what likely will become the most important technological change and the phone wasn't ready to demo it? I find it far more likely that the Face ID simply failed to work.

    Here’s a screenshot

    09-13-2017 12:55 PM
  15. sting7k's Avatar
    I didn't like that much until I saw several hands on demos. It looked to be very fast and reliable. Listening to the Apple reps explain things also got my mind thinking about how the workflow would change from TouchID. The new work flow I think will be strange at first (like the transition to TouchID from Swipe to Unlock) but ultimately work just fine. I'm not buying this year, sticking with my iPhone 7. But when the time comes I am pretty sure I will be going to iPhone X or XI.
    09-13-2017 01:19 PM
  16. Craig's Avatar
    If you watch the online demos (post Keynote) it worked every time, very fast, w/o issue. Not saying their will not be issues, but that's not my main worry. Can still unlock with code. I have had several bugs with Touch ID and had to do a hard reset. Granted it's a $1200 phone (basically), so should have no flaws, but I have seen $60K cars recalled. It happens.
    09-13-2017 01:29 PM
  17. apcman's Avatar
    I think it is nice addition. It not on the same level as Touch ID. I think they should have put it on the back of the device. May not have been as pretty but it's nice not having a legacy input that is quick and easy to use even more so than the Face ID.
    09-13-2017 01:55 PM
  18. knotsure's Avatar
    My galaxy s8 has facial recognition and you can set it to open to home screen with just a look. I bet there will be an option in the settings somewhere to do this on the iPhone X.
    09-13-2017 02:38 PM
  19. Matty's Avatar
    I think having FaceID is a nice addition to the iPhone feature list but i still think having a fingerprint sensor to unlock the device is much easier. Having it on the back of the device wouldn't have been so bad. Many Android devices have it there and customers seem quite happy Luckily we still have the iPhone 8 & 8 Plus with the same functionality as we are used to so customers have the choice. But, my opinion may change once i start using it on a daily basis.
    zinedine likes this.
    09-13-2017 02:46 PM
  20. knotsure's Avatar
    I think having FaceID is a nice addition to the iPhone feature list but i still think having a fingerprint sensor to unlock the device is much easier. Having it on the back of the device wouldn't have been so bad. Many Android devices have it there and customers seem quite happy Luckily we still have the iPhone 8 & 8 Plus with the same functionality as we are used to so customers have the choice. But, my opinion may change once i start using it on a daily basis.
    People make fun of the rear fingerprint sensor on the galaxy s8 but I have absolutely no problem with it. At first it felt a little funny but after a half a day it was just another normal movement. It is really a more natural movement or action than you might think initially.
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    09-13-2017 02:55 PM
  21. dejanh's Avatar
    More concerning is how easy it is to potentially gain access without noticing. Interestingly Apple said that you have to "pay attention to the phone" but if you watch the Verge hands-on video, at one point in time the video author just casually points the device at the face of the Apple employee to whom the phone was tied to and it unlocks. It happens so subtly and quickly that the author actually comments about this being quite a security risk. Imagine that you are in a nightclub, busy, crowded, somebody swipes the phone out of your pocket then fairly casually points it at your face. By the time you notice anything the phone is unlocked and they're gone. Only remedy seems to be that you have to have your eyes closed, which as you can imagine, is not that practical.

    Here is the video for reference https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/12/1...video-hands-on
    09-13-2017 04:22 PM
  22. Tartarus's Avatar
    More concerning is how easy it is to potentially gain access without noticing. Interestingly Apple said that you have to "pay attention to the phone" but if you watch the Verge hands-on video, at one point in time the video author just casually points the device at the face of the Apple employee to whom the phone was tied to and it unlocks. It happens so subtly and quickly that the author actually comments about this being quite a security risk. Imagine that you are in a nightclub, busy, crowded, somebody swipes the phone out of your pocket then fairly casually points it at your face. By the time you notice anything the phone is unlocked and they're gone. Only remedy seems to be that you have to have your eyes closed, which as you can imagine, is not that practical.

    Here is the video for reference https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/12/1...video-hands-on
    It may be, but that person won’t have the ability to use the iPhone with his own credentials.
    And once the iPhone has been locked after the set duration, he won’t be able to use it at all.

    Stealing an iPhone just doesn’t make any sense since iCloud lock has been introduced.
    09-13-2017 04:45 PM
  23. stlcheer's Avatar
    I'm ok with FaceID. I'm saving my true opinion for when I actually have it in hand. It's going to take some time to get used to.
    09-13-2017 05:12 PM
  24. ivanwi11iams's Avatar
    ...thus far I'm not sold on the Iris Scanner on the Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus. I also not sold on the Face ID, from what I've seen. I guess I need to test it myself first
    09-13-2017 09:14 PM
  25. 3olives's Avatar
    What about turning off my alarm? Now I just press the notification. Will that change?
    09-13-2017 09:18 PM
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