1. camaroz1985's Avatar
    Watched a youtube video last night where EverythingApplePro stated that his sources (I think a business analyst in China) said there will not be an update to the SE, that the focus will be on 5+ inch screens, and that the majority of people that bought the SE were budget shoppers, buying because it was the "cheap" iPhone, not because they liked the size.

    That was definitely not the case for me, and it seems not for a lot of others on here either. I'm really hoping that his info is wrong, but I could also see Apple going that way. I'm not dead set that an updated phone would need to be a 4" screen. If it has overall dimensions of the SE, and a larger screen, then the rumor that the focus on phones in the larger screens could be correct, and we could still have our small, pocketable phone.

    Here is the video, SE 2 discussion starts at 6:53.


    When I saw the title I was hoping for some good news for the SE 2. Guess we will just have to wait and see.
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    07-19-2017 07:09 AM
  2. pkcable's Avatar
    07-19-2017 08:00 AM
  3. camaroz1985's Avatar
    I had honestly considered that at one point, just for novelty alone, but I think I will pass haha
    07-19-2017 09:08 AM
  4. MizWylie's Avatar
    I like the SE, but I'd kind of see where Apple is coming from. I'd guess every two years an upgrade since that's about how long it took them to update the 5S. The SE is solid for now and I don't think it's in the cards for an update
    07-19-2017 09:13 AM
  5. camaroz1985's Avatar
    Next spring would be 2 years. That is what I was hoping for.
    07-19-2017 09:54 AM
  6. pkcable's Avatar
    The trend these days is for bigger phones in smaller packages much like Samsung did with the nearly bezeless S8. The next iPhone/iPhones will likely be the same, smaller foot print BUT still a big screen.
    07-19-2017 10:26 AM
  7. libra89's Avatar
    I'm saddened to hear this. I hope that it isn't true but come to think of it, there hasn't been any rumors for a while about an SE 2. Even a Reddit Ama a month or so ago, there was no answer on an SE 2.
    07-19-2017 10:29 AM
  8. Tinkernaught's Avatar
    I'm saddened to hear this. I hope that it isn't true but come to think of it, there hasn't been any rumors for a while about an SE 2. Even a Reddit Ama a month or so ago, there was no answer on an SE 2.
    There's a rumor right now, if you want to get your hopes up. A late August SE2 announcement. Yes, this August, as in a little over a month from now. Perhaps (if the impossible becomes true) it's Apple's consolation for being late on the other phones this year? Anyway, here's the link:

    https://www.macrumors.com/2017/07/19...t-event-rumor/
    07-19-2017 10:57 AM
  9. libra89's Avatar
    There's a rumor right now, if you want to get your hopes up. A late August SE2 announcement. Yes, this August, as in a little over a month from now. Perhaps (if the impossible becomes true) it's Apple's consolation for being late on the other phones this year? Anyway, here's the link:

    https://www.macrumors.com/2017/07/19...t-event-rumor/
    Hmm that's really interesting. This is one of those I would have to see to believe but I'm doubting it.
    07-19-2017 12:27 PM
  10. camaroz1985's Avatar
    That does seem to be a bit questionable. I would love it to be true, but I doubt it a lot.

    The one thing in the article that made sense was Apple not wanting to cannibalize sales with a smaller cheaper phone that is essentially the same as the 7, but then I got to thinking. That is exactly what they had when they introduced it last year, a smaller, cheaper version of the then current flagship, 6S. If they did it now with the 7 specs it would at least be closer to the end of the product cycle by a couple months. I'm hoping for an update in March 2018 with 7S (or even 7) specs.

    All I want is the overall size similar to what we have now, with 3D touch, and water resistance. Upgraded cameras (front and rear), or a bigger screen would just be icing on the cake, and I really don't care if it stays with the current design or adopts the more rounded form of the 6 and up. I'm not picky haha.

    I wonder how many SEs were sold. The article says that 30 million 4 inch phones were sold in 2015, but the majority of that year, a 4 inch phone was your only option. I'm sure the profit margin isn't as great on the SE vs the flagships so I can understand an update every two years. I also would be fine if the price was increased to match the bigger phones. I'm not buying the SE for the budget aspect, I want the smaller size with high(ish) end specs. The appeal for me is that with the SE is that I am not sacrificing performance, or at least not very much, to keep the smaller size.
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    07-19-2017 12:30 PM
  11. TgeekB's Avatar
    That does seem to be a bit questionable. I would love it to be true, but I doubt it a lot.

    The one thing in the article that made sense was Apple not wanting to cannibalize sales with a smaller cheaper phone that is essentially the same as the 7, but then I got to thinking. That is exactly what they had when they introduced it last year, a smaller, cheaper version of the then current flagship, 6S. If they did it now with the 7 specs it would at least be closer to the end of the product cycle by a couple months. I'm hoping for an update in March 2018 with 7S (or even 7) specs.

    All I want is the overall size similar to what we have now, with 3D touch, and water resistance. Upgraded cameras (front and rear), or a bigger screen would just be icing on the cake, and I really don't care if it stays with the current design or adopts the more rounded form of the 6 and up. I'm not picky haha.

    I wonder how many SEs were sold. The article says that 30 million 4 inch phones were sold in 2015, but the majority of that year, a 4 inch phone was your only option. I'm sure the profit margin isn't as great on the SE vs the flagships so I can understand an update every two years. I also would be fine if the price was increased to match the bigger phones. I'm not buying the SE for the budget aspect, I want the smaller size with high(ish) end specs. The appeal for me is that with the SE is that I am not sacrificing performance, or at least not very much, to keep the smaller size.
    I'd be happy with every 2 years also. Let's hope they consider it.
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    07-19-2017 05:42 PM
  12. Spirit Vision Photography's Avatar
    Watched a youtube video last night where EverythingApplePro stated that his sources (I think a business analyst in China) said there will not be an update to the SE, that the focus will be on 5+ inch screens, and that the majority of people that bought the SE were budget shoppers, buying because it was the "cheap" iPhone, not because they liked the size.

    That was definitely not the case for me, and it seems not for a lot of others on here either. I'm really hoping that his info is wrong, but I could also see Apple going that way. I'm not dead set that an updated phone would need to be a 4" screen. If it has overall dimensions of the SE, and a larger screen, then the rumor that the focus on phones in the larger screens could be correct, and we could still have our small, pocketable phone.

    Here is the video, SE 2 discussion starts at 6:53.


    When I saw the title I was hoping for some good news for the SE 2. Guess we will just have to wait and see.

    Apple like most companies, is about profit. They sold a large quantity of SE's and made a nice profit from it. If they see a nice profit to be made from an SE-2, they will consider it.
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    07-20-2017 12:23 AM
  13. Tinkernaught's Avatar
    ... The one thing in the article that made sense was Apple not wanting to cannibalize sales with a smaller cheaper phone that is essentially the same as the 7, but then I got to thinking. That is exactly what they had when they introduced it last year, a smaller, cheaper version of the then current flagship, 6S. If they did it now with the 7 specs it would at least be closer to the end of the product cycle by a couple months...
    Agreed, if you think about it this would be the perfect timing for an SE2 release. Also, the SE has no track record—there's been only one—so it's unknown whether or not such a release schedule is "likely".

    That said, I wouldn't bet any money on this rumor being true. However, I shall certainly HOPE it's true with all my heart.
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    07-20-2017 12:56 PM
  14. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Based on nothing but my own sentiment, I think there will be a follow up to the SE in the Spring of 2018.
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    07-20-2017 01:23 PM
  15. camaroz1985's Avatar
    There are a lot of us that hope your sentiment is correct.
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    07-20-2017 01:43 PM
  16. libra89's Avatar
    I like this guy (even if I don't totally agree with some points). He has a solid point about Apple probably not having a keynote for only one thing.

    07-20-2017 05:53 PM
  17. Tinkernaught's Avatar
    I like this guy (even if I don't totally agree with some points). He has a solid point about Apple probably not having a keynote for only one thing.

    My college French is too rusty so I ran the original rumor post through a translator. It doesn't say that there will be a keynote for just one thing, it says (in essence) it'll be for the iPhones other than the 8/Edition/whatever which is likely to be late. So we're talking about a late August/early September event for the LED 7s smartphones and *possibly* an updated SE, then the OLED "8" six weeks or so later.

    Likely? Nobody is saying so. Possible? Of course. And for someone who thinks the rumor is pure fluff (which everyone already agrees is probably the case), that video guy sure spent a lot of time arguing about it and nearly ranting about how we all should get over the SE and embrace a larger iPhone. Sheesh, axe to grind or something? What does it matter to others if those of us who desire a smaller form factor actually get what we want? I don't get the hostility.
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    07-20-2017 06:38 PM
  18. libra89's Avatar
    My college French is too rusty so I ran the original rumor post through a translator. It doesn't say that there will be a keynote for just one thing, it says (in essence) it'll be for the iPhones other than the 8/Edition/whatever which is likely to be late. So we're talking about a late August/early September event for the LED 7s smartphones and *possibly* an updated SE, then the OLED "8" six weeks or so later.

    Likely? Nobody is saying so. Possible? Of course. And for someone who thinks the rumor is pure fluff (which everyone already agrees is probably the case), that video guy sure spent a lot of time arguing about it and nearly ranting about how we all should get over the SE and embrace a larger iPhone. Sheesh, axe to grind or something? What does it matter to others if those of us who desire a smaller form factor actually get what we want? I don't get the hostility.
    I totally agree with you. He had some points but I thought that his ranting was stupid. Okay so a lot of people got it because it's a "cheap" iPhone. So?

    Thanks for the translation. It's totally not likely for them to invite press two times a couple of weeks apart.
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    07-20-2017 09:27 PM
  19. Garz's Avatar
    I think the SE is going to be like the 5C, a one time thing.
    07-20-2017 10:13 PM
  20. camaroz1985's Avatar
    I think the SE is going to be like the 5C, a one time thing.
    Shut your mouth!!

    I don't think there will be a release this year or two keynotes. I'm thinking Spring, but if it came out this fall I would gladly buy it then!

    He did do a lot of ranting, but if you could get through that he did make one good point he made was about the large screen small bezel designs shrinking the size of large screen devices. If they make a 5.8" phone that is similar in size to the current 4.7", then a 5" phone could be smaller and closer to the current SE size. I would consider that a good compromise.
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    07-21-2017 09:44 AM
  21. Tinkernaught's Avatar
    Shut your mouth!!

    I don't think there will be a release this year or two keynotes. I'm thinking Spring, but if it came out this fall I would gladly buy it then!

    He did do a lot of ranting, but if you could get through that he did make one good point he made was about the large screen small bezel designs shrinking the size of large screen devices. If they make a 5.8" phone that is similar in size to the current 4.7", then a 5" phone could be smaller and closer to the current SE size. I would consider that a good compromise.
    It's the form factor (size & shape in hand) that's the draw. That video guy got it wrong (again); it's NOT the screen size. Reduce the bezels and squeeze in more screen and they'll have very happy former SE owners.

    Unfortunately, his statement that the OLED 5.8" iPhone 8 will be only a little bigger than the SE is fantasy. If you look at the "leaked" lineup you see that even with no bezels the body ends up halfway between a 7s and 7s+. No, Mr video guy, that's not even close. :rolls eyes:

    But as @camaroz1985 suggests, if in 2018 they keep the standard iPhone's 4.7" screen (not bump it up to 5.2" or something) and put it in a body with minimal bezels, THAT might be okay. But I'm afraid they'll keep the current 4.7" body size and increase the screen to fill it edge-to-edge (about a 5.2" screen). That would be a no-go for me!

    ... Until my SE can no longer smoothly run what I want to run on it, anyway.
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    07-21-2017 10:23 AM
  22. camaroz1985's Avatar
    It's the form factor (size & shape in hand) that's the draw. That video guy got it wrong (again); it's NOT the screen size. Reduce the bezels and squeeze in more screen and they'll have very happy former SE owners.

    Unfortunately, his statement that the OLED 5.8" iPhone 8 will be only a little bigger than the SE is fantasy. If you look at the "leaked" lineup you see that even with no bezels the body ends up halfway between a 7s and 7s+. No, Mr video guy, that's not even close. :rolls eyes:

    But as @camaroz1985 suggests, if in 2018 they keep the standard iPhone's 4.7" screen (not bump it up to 5.2" or something) and put it in a body with minimal bezels, THAT might be okay. But I'm afraid they'll keep the current 4.7" body size and increase the screen to fill it edge-to-edge (about a 5.2" screen). That would be a no-go for me!

    ... Until my SE can no longer smoothly run what I want to run on it, anyway.
    He said the 5.8" phone would be only slightly bigger than the 7, not the SE, and I can see that being true (that is what the leaks show anyway). That is why I said if they took a 4.7-5.2" screen and made it edge to edge then you would have a phone closer to the size of the current SE, and I would be more than ok with that.
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    07-21-2017 11:15 AM
  23. Tinkernaught's Avatar
    He said the 5.8" phone would be only slightly bigger than the 7, not the SE, and I can see that being true (that is what the leaks show anyway). That is why I said if they took a 4.7-5.2" screen and made it edge to edge then you would have a phone closer to the size of the current SE, and I would be more than ok with that.
    I stand corrected. He *was* implying that the iP8's size should be acceptable to SE owners, IIRC. I'm not going to watch it again to see—it's probably best at this point to ignore rumors and anti-rumor-ranters. We'll see what we see as time passes. Regardless of the outcome my SE is still good for a couple of years, at least.
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    07-21-2017 11:21 AM
  24. Garz's Avatar
    Shut your mouth!!

    I don't think there will be a release this year or two keynotes. I'm thinking Spring, but if it came out this fall I would gladly buy it then!

    He did do a lot of ranting, but if you could get through that he did make one good point he made was about the large screen small bezel designs shrinking the size of large screen devices. If they make a 5.8" phone that is similar in size to the current 4.7", then a 5" phone could be smaller and closer to the current SE size. I would consider that a good compromise.
    This is why I think that. That design has been out since 2013. Well 2012 if you want to say the iPhone 5. I don't think Apple will release another phone with the design that is 5-6 years old and I don't see them spending the money or resources to resign the SE.
    07-21-2017 11:24 AM
  25. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    This is why I think that. That design has been out since 2013. Well 2012 if you want to say the iPhone 5. I don't think Apple will release another phone with the design that is 5-6 years old and I don't see them spending the money or resources to resign the SE.
    I agree with this. But when I say that I think there will be a follow up to the SE, I don't necessarily think it'll have the same form factor. Just a device that has the footprint of the SE but with a nearly bezel-less screen. No way they'd release another with the same form factor.
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    07-21-2017 07:15 PM
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