1. Badshah's Avatar
    It's starting out to be a good day. Congratulations, Kapiz, on your accomplishments. I am shooting for 1200 allies right now. Your goal is substantially higher, I must admit.

    The most exciting thing I've done, is I've joined.... (wait for it...)

    The
    Farmer's Union!

    Thanks to XanderPrime for the invite. Go Farmer's Union!

    Go F.U.!

    ...ahem...
    Badshah
    08-13-2009 09:29 AM
  2. Xanderprime's Avatar
    It was Blownapart that invited you as he is the actual creator of the social group. What's funny is I was thinking of creating the exact same sort of group just never got around to it.

    Glad to see you on board Bad! I hope FU catches on with more people.
    08-13-2009 10:46 AM
  3. Badshah's Avatar
    Ah! Right, I actually remember now. I also read some postings by you, XP, that made me think you were the instigater. Anyhow, it's going to be a good group. I hope we can work together and get things accomplished as the need arises.

    Bad
    08-13-2009 11:12 AM
  4. kevstev's Avatar
    Hello, I have been playing awhile, level 21 right now, recently maxed out allies, and trying to max out D- should be there by the end of the day. One thing I have to say is, if that I had to do it all over again I would only add the minimum number of allies to do the missions I wanted to do- more allies = more units and defense required = expensive. I was following that for awhile, got kind of bored though. I guess it is a bit more exciting to be at the "top" of your level though.

    Please add me!
    7MHDWP
    08-13-2009 11:45 AM
  5. aredd0329's Avatar
    It's starting out to be a good day. Congratulations, Kapiz, on your accomplishments. I am shooting for 1200 allies right now. Your goal is substantially higher, I must admit.

    The most exciting thing I've done, is I've joined.... (wait for it...)

    The
    Farmer's Union!

    Thanks to XanderPrime for the invite. Go Farmer's Union!

    Go F.U.!

    ...ahem...
    Badshah
    What exactly does the Farmer's Union do? Do they attack farmers or are they farmers?
    08-13-2009 04:11 PM
  6. Badshah's Avatar
    I can't put this in as eloquent terms as BlownApart can, the founder of F.U.
    To paraphrase, we recognize that the principle of farming, i.e. going back to the well as often as permissible, is a valid approach to game-play. We are against those who team up on Farmers using sanctions or by any other means. And when I say Against, I do not mean in the sense of being whiney or posting about it ad nauseum. We intend to take matters into our own hands and protect our interests by whatever means necessary.

    If this sounds like War! to you, you are correct. We aim to counter the likes of PoppyBlue and her ilk. As long as the game mechanics permit us to attack an opponent and avail ourselves of his or her possessions, we will exercise that option. And those who stand in our way will face a day of reckoning. Unless Storm8 decides to 'balance' the game in some way, maybe by coding a limit to how many strikes per hour or some other nonsense. (I mean, it's their game; I suppose they can if they want to...)

    I think it's plainly pathetic people would rather come on these boards and whine about bullies instead of taking a proactive stand to protect themselves. I never got better by people playing 'fair' with me. All balancing is, is an attempt to make everything 'fair' for everyone. Usually no one wins in this scenario. I have made things fair for myself by taking time to build my income, strengthen my defenses and deploy my troops.

    Anyone else can do the same. Just Calculate It can be your best friend. Get to know it.

    Ok, I'm getting off the soapbox now. I have a cup of coffee before me that seriously wants drinking, and I must spend 245.000.000 on new defense structures.

    Badshah
    Last edited by Badshah; 08-14-2009 at 08:33 AM. Reason: Just to add: Don't hate me because I'm good-looking...
    08-14-2009 08:27 AM
  7. aredd0329's Avatar
    Well this thread is dead.
    08-20-2009 08:44 PM
  8. Mr.small's Avatar
    Wow this is actually turning into what he wanted...
    08-22-2009 06:54 PM
  9. aredd0329's Avatar
    For the sake of reviving this thread I will state my current position:

    At this moment I posses 350 Heavy Equipment Transporters, the units with the most defense for the lowest price and upkeep.

    My gross income is about 6.8 Million, and my net income is around 5.6 Million. I am keeping only defensive units right now because I wish to increase my income purchasing 350 B-1 Lancers, the units with the most attack at the lowest price. My plan is to keep my upkeep 33% (or 1/3) of my income.

    I have calculated that I must be making 9.98 or 10 Million gross to satisfy this ratio. I am a bit worried though because I fear that I am leveling a little too fast, causing me to need more units which results in more upkeep. I suppose this is because of my severe addiction to sanction killing, I haven't been killing for very long and as of now I have 101 kills.

    Another aspect of the game I am working on is in the area of defensive buildings. I have calculated that my units with my defensive buildings put up a total of 16,325 defense points, whereas the total attack points possible at my level is 17,250. This means that I am only 925 points away from complete defense from any enemy at my level. This is equivalent to about 18 B-1 Lancers, or Stealth Jets (give or take a few to take into account the "random" factor).

    Once I patch up the holes in my defense, I will continue with my income building to reach my goal of 10 Million (3.15 Million away). I hope to do this before I reach level 24. It seems like just yesterday I reached level 23 (now that I think of it, it might have actually been yesterday). I am exactly 50 XP away from leveling up so I need to be careful not to sanction kill or engage in battle. Though it is quite hard to stop people from attacking you and losing.

    I hope this thread stays alive,

    Roonster
    Alliance Code: KV85XT
    08-24-2009 01:01 PM
  10. Badshah's Avatar
    I was out of town for the weekend and since I don't like to read the forums on my iPhone, I didn't post anything either. Thanks to Roonster for keeping the thread alive. It has been an interesting time though, gamewise.

    I've been farming this one person for... oh, a few weeks... and it was interesting to observe his reactions to it. First, it drove him nuts that I would never respond on his profile. I don't do that. If anyone writes to me on my profile, I will respond there, on my profile. I am not in the habit of posting on anyone's profile, unless I absolutely trust them, and then not often.

    This guy thought it would help his case if he spammed my profile with gibberish and obscenity. It didn't. At my leisure, I would simply delete all the spam- no biggie. He also sanctioned me a little bit. Once again, no biggie.

    He thought it would help if he called upon his friends to join my alliance and launch coordinated attacks. This was an interesting approach, in so far as his friends were all level teens and twenties. He is at my level, just so you know. It was amusing to see the list of my Victories over these little guys. I felt kind of sorry for them; them were like minnows, nibbling on me.

    Sometimes he would leave hysterical posts on my Profile, which seemed to indicate he was borderline insane. "OMFG! What is WRONG with YOU?" and the like. I would ease off for a day or two to let him settle down a bit, then back at it!

    And then one day, it happened.

    On Saturday last, in the wee hours of the morning, I attacked. I received the usual 3 million or so. I attacked again, and received more of the same. On my 3rd attack, I lost. Hmmm... it must be some sort of mistake. So I attacked, and lost again. Apparently he was awake and waiting, because immediately afterward, he attacked ME! Whoever would have seen this coming? He lost.

    I went back to sleep with a little smile on my face. My theory is correct, and he is my proof. Due to my steady but gentle pressure, he has built up his defenses to the point where, if I want to continue farming him, I would have to build up my attack units. I have decided to give it a rest. I am proud of him for taking the correct action to protect himself, and do not have a vendetta against him per se.

    I posted a congratulatory note on my profile. I hope he reads it someday. He will probably hate me for a long time, and I will surely miss the income, but in the long run, it goes to show that you only improve when there is a pressing need to do so. I hope he understands the lesson.

    Peace!
    Badshah
    Q6DQCD

    P.S. I only wish he would figure out what the Vault is for...
    Last edited by Badshah; 08-25-2009 at 09:48 AM. Reason: Added postscript
    08-25-2009 09:44 AM
  11. wengleha's Avatar
    I just hit $27 mil an hour in income...sitting at level 35 I believe. I do missions and attack people as much as possible to try to level up faster...still sitting at 3 allies so I rarely lose when attacking people. Usually I wake up to find I was attacked by 10 people, all victories for me! Going to keep building my income and continue buying defensive structures...not sure when I will add all my allies.
    08-25-2009 09:48 AM
  12. gpia7r's Avatar
    Why not get more allies?

    I'm pretty new to the game, so I'm not sure if I understand fully what allies do.

    I just hit level 12, I've got almost 2 mil. Win/Loss ratio isn't all that great, but getting better I think.

    First - Why get allies? How do they benefit you?
    Second - Why not get allies? How do they cause detriment?
    Third - What's a decent strategy? I just do missions, get money, vault it, and get a few battles out. Should I be doing something more?
    Lastly - What's the benefit of doing sanctions? I've gotten a number of kills... but do they do anything different than just battles?

    Thanks

    5E788N
    08-25-2009 10:05 AM
  13. wengleha's Avatar
    Why not get more allies?

    I'm pretty new to the game, so I'm not sure if I understand fully what allies do.

    I just hit level 12, I've got almost 2 mil. Win/Loss ratio isn't all that great, but getting better I think.

    First - Why get allies? How do they benefit you?
    Second - Why not get allies? How do they cause detriment?
    Third - What's a decent strategy? I just do missions, get money, vault it, and get a few battles out. Should I be doing something more?
    Lastly - What's the benefit of doing sanctions? I've gotten a number of kills... but do they do anything different than just battles?

    Thanks

    5E788N
    If you only have 3 allies (making your total group 4 with yourself), when you go to battle you only see people on the attack list with allies of 1-4. Thus, you can usually kill anyone thats on the list without much trouble as well as you don't have nearly any upkeep. I only have 12 of the best offensive units and 12 of the best defensive (3 per ally)...the only downside is if you get attacked by someone with 100+ allies, you will usually lose even if they are under your level because their are simply more of them.
    08-25-2009 10:22 AM
  14. gpia7r's Avatar
    Good to know.

    In other news, I keep seeing these 4.25 million reward sanctions on really low level people... so I'm just picking those off and building up some major money.

    Why would they put so much on such a low level? Heck, some are a few levels higher than me and I'm killing them.

    Are they trying to transfer money to another account? XD
    08-25-2009 03:45 PM
  15. Mike Hunt's Avatar
    So, there I was. Sitting at 4 allies, building up my income and defense, minding my own business. Suddenly I start getting farmed by a guy a few levels above me but with a max number of allies and a decent amount of defense and income buildings. Turns out, he cruises people's comment sections and picks out weaker players and starts farming them. Now this guy has died over 200 times from being sanctioned and has plenty of comments from pissed off victims (which he deletes, except for 1 from each person so he can come back and hit you again in case you're different level)

    I've had to up my number of allies in the past few days and invest in more defensive units and buildings to try and discourage this ********* from farming me. The messed up thing is that he farms in the middle of the night, like 3-4 am. So what do you think I should do? Should I drop my alliance back to 4 and just try and live with the losses this guy will certainly put on me, or do I keep building up my defense at the expense of my income to try and fight him off?
    08-25-2009 11:50 PM
  16. Mike Hunt's Avatar
    Oh, and I did make the mistake of posting on his profile, so now he was a way to come back and keep farming me. That was before I read Bad's strategy of not commenting for that exact reason.
    08-25-2009 11:51 PM
  17. tyler384's Avatar
    So, there I was. Sitting at 4 allies, building up my income and defense, minding my own business. Suddenly I start getting farmed by a guy a few levels above me but with a max number of allies and a decent amount of defense and income buildings. Turns out, he cruises people's comment sections and picks out weaker players and starts farming them. Now this guy has died over 200 times from being sanctioned and has plenty of comments from pissed off victims (which he deletes, except for 1 from each person so he can come back and hit you again in case you're different level)

    I've had to up my number of allies in the past few days and invest in more defensive units and buildings to try and discourage this ********* from farming me. The messed up thing is that he farms in the middle of the night, like 3-4 am. So what do you think I should do? Should I drop my alliance back to 4 and just try and live with the losses this guy will certainly put on me, or do I keep building up my defense at the expense of my income to try and fight him off?
    The only way to stop him now is by building your defense or waiting for him to get 7 levels above you.
    08-26-2009 02:53 AM
  18. Badshah's Avatar
    Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but...

    Since he already has a link to you, via the post you made on his profile, why not post just once more asking him nicely to please give you a break or ease up on you? I always stop attacking if someone simply asks me not to. We don't know what the emotional or mental state is, of the other players. While we are not responsible for them to that extent, it is still a good idea to quit if they ask. But this is just how I view it. After all, we know it's just a game but some people take it very seriously.

    On the other hand, posting insane rants, threats or other such comments, or spamming one's profile with gibberish, is not ever going to earn their good will and cooperation. I had one person start by immediately threatening me with her Alliance. They were worthless as far as helping her is concerned. She said they would teach me a lesson... I'm still waiting, Toni.

    That guy that is farming you sounds exactly like me, except that I am not a *********. Oh, and one last comment: Tyler's advice works. I wrote a post a while ago about how one of my cash-cows finally got smart and raised his defenses to the point where I can no longer beat him. Way to go Gen. PR!

    Sincerely,
    Bad

    Proud member of the Farmer's Union- F.U. now and forever!
    Last edited by Badshah; 08-26-2009 at 08:51 AM.
    08-26-2009 08:47 AM
  19. aredd0329's Avatar
    This brings up a great point I have been meaning to discuss in the forum.

    This method works great for putting some extra money in my pocket. I simply go on the battle screen, search for a player that is fairly strong, meaning they have good attack power and decent defense as well. I look in their comments, and many times you will see a myriad of comments somewhere along the lines of "Dude! Stop Attacking Me!" or "Come on! 5 Times!" stretching down the pages.

    Not only do these comments indicate that the player is fairly weak, or just weaker than the attacker, but they also mean that the player is a good source of money, most likely keeping their money out of the vault. Of course you should always check the date of the post because the player could have easily changed their ways as stated previously in this thread. Either way, it doesn't hurt to check out a few of them and see if you can put a few victories and maybe a million or two.

    An extension to this strategy is to find comments in the comments of the people in the comments of the people in the comments of the people whose link you already posses, so you can get back to this person as often as you need to. This strategy works wonders with me, but currently I'm 8 XP away from level 24 and I wish to stay low for a few more days.

    In other news, I let my income accumulate for about 2 days and I was able to patch the holes in my defense, I now only have 79 less defense points than the maximum attack points. I hope this will enable me to win all my battles, because lately when being attacked I have been winning and losing in a strange pattern. It went something like: Win, Win, Lose, Lose, Lose, Win, Lose, Win, Win. Another strange thing about this was that my loses were all by different people, no one attacked me more than once even though they each got about four hundred thousand out of me. This really baffled me, but hey, I shouldn't complain.
    Last edited by aredd0329; 08-26-2009 at 11:56 AM.
    08-26-2009 11:52 AM
  20. Badshah's Avatar
    Wow... Roonster, just Wow... I never would have thought of that. I will try that tactic and see how it works out for me. I am currently out of cash-cows, and just trying to work the enemies list like a regular Joe. It's ok, but I like having a good, steady revenue stream.

    By the way, please encourage your Pinoy friends to join my alliance. My step-children are immigrating very soon, and I really need to brush up on my Tagalog. Or else I will be the odd man out, in my own bahay-kubo.

    Bad
    Q6DQCD
    08-26-2009 12:01 PM
  21. aredd0329's Avatar
    Why don't you put out a broadcast Bad? I will do the same.
    08-26-2009 12:33 PM
  22. aredd0329's Avatar
    Wow, this is totally irrelevant but I just stumbled upon a player with the worst stats imaginable. He is only level 11 and here are his statistics:

    Missions Completed: 793
    Fights Won: 0
    Fights Lost: 1175
    Kills: 0
    Deaths: 0

    He has no units, 5 supply depots and a refinery.

    I'm sorry, but I found this quite amusing.
    08-26-2009 12:38 PM
  23. Mike Hunt's Avatar
    Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but...

    Since he already has a link to you, via the post you made on his profile, why not post just once more asking him nicely to please give you a break or ease up on you? I always stop attacking if someone simply asks me not to. We don't know what the emotional or mental state is, of the other players. While we are not responsible for them to that extent, it is still a good idea to quit if they ask. But this is just how I view it. After all, we know it's just a game but some people take it very seriously.

    On the other hand, posting insane rants, threats or other such comments, or spamming one's profile with gibberish, is not ever going to earn their good will and cooperation. I had one person start by immediately threatening me with her Alliance. They were worthless as far as helping her is concerned. She said they would teach me a lesson... I'm still waiting, Toni.

    That guy that is farming you sounds exactly like me, except that I am not a *********. Oh, and one last comment: Tyler's advice works. I wrote a post a while ago about how one of my cash-cows finally got smart and raised his defenses to the point where I can no longer beat him. Way to go Gen. PR!

    Sincerely,
    Bad

    Proud member of the Farmer's Union- F.U. now and forever!
    Tried the nice approach, didn't work. He just ignored me and kept farming me at night. I don't have a problem if people attack me to get cash. Most are similar strength/level as me, only do it 3-4 times, and back off. This guys takes the coward's way and picks on the players that started playing later than him. Oh well, to each his own. I did try boosting up my alliance and defensive units/structures but it was starting to seriously eat into my income. So I figured I'll keep spending my cash on defense/income structures and if I'm asleep, then I'm asleep. What can I do. Last night he farmed me for a mil around 6 in the morning. Oh well. My income is 2.2 mil right now and keeps growing. I'm trying to get to level up to lvl25 so I can build oil rigs. According to justcalcit.com, oil rigs are twice as efficient at generating cash at the current price of my other income buildings. Which means that right now, instead of spending 8.5 mil on a power plant to make 56K, I can spend the 20 mil to make 270K.

    P.S. Somebody mentioned that waiting for him to get 7 levels above me would make him stop farming me. How so?


    W6T688
    Last edited by Mike Hunt; 08-26-2009 at 01:33 PM.
    08-26-2009 01:28 PM
  24. aredd0329's Avatar
    Tried the nice approach, didn't work. He just ignored me and kept farming me at night. I don't have a problem if people attack me to get cash. Most are similar strength/level as me, only do it 3-4 times, and back off. This guys takes the coward's way and picks on the players that started playing later than him. Oh well, to each his own. I did try boosting up my alliance and defensive units/structures but it was starting to seriously eat into my income. So I figured I'll keep spending my cash on defense/income structures and if I'm asleep, then I'm asleep. What can I do. Last night he farmed me for a mil around 6 in the morning. Oh well. My income is 2.2 mil right now and keeps growing. I'm trying to get to level up to lvl25 so I can build oil rigs. According to justcalcit.com, oil rigs are twice as efficient at generating cash at the current price of my other income buildings. Which means that right now, instead of spending 8.5 mil on a power plant to make 56K, I can spend the 20 mil to make 270K.

    P.S. Somebody mentioned that waiting for him to get 7 levels above me would make him stop farming me. How so?


    W6T688
    Hello, Mike Hunt. I see your problem and I think I have a solution for you. I am sure you have heard that if you keep your health below 27, you cannot be attacked, well until you regenerate above that. In order to keep your health below 27, try attacking people over and over (people you can beat of course). This will get your health down so he cannot attack you. Now you are probably wondering what happens when it regenerates while I sleep. As you also may know, when your health gets below 27 you cannot attack others either. So when you get your health to say, 25, you have about 10 minutes until you can be attacked again (keep in mind you can only be attacked once until your health dips below 27 again, so he wont be able to farm you).

    Before you go to sleep make sure that your health is below 27, but if you are really desperate, you can try this approach. Once you get your health below 27, wait until you regenerate back to exactly 27 health, and attack someone again (preferably an evenly matched opponent, you may lose but it's better than being farmed), this will ensure that your health is way below 27 and will take a nice amount of time to get back up. Even when it does get back up he will only be able to attack you a few times.

    I don't think this will last you the whole night, but it is certainly worth a try.

    As for your other question, there is a limit as to who you can attack and who can attack you. I think the number is 5, because I am Level 23 and I can attack anyone that is Level 18 and above. You can attack anyone above your level, but you can only attack people that are at most 5 Levels below you.

    Hope I helped,

    Roonster
    Alliance Code: KV85XT
    Last edited by aredd0329; 08-26-2009 at 04:02 PM.
    08-26-2009 03:57 PM
  25. Mr.small's Avatar


    Hey look at this! Its world war as a computer application. I was just flicking through codes and found this. what you guys think?
    08-26-2009 04:51 PM
350 ... 89101112 ...
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD