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  1. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    You know me - I like to stir the pot a bit....... I can’t help it! With that in mind, some people are seeming the iPhone 8 models a failure because there aren’t any widespread reports of Apple or the carriers being sold out of them. Some people even say that because the ‘design’ of the iPhone 8 models is the same as the iPhone 6 models, people simply don’t want them and thus call it a failure. Could they be right? Sure. Could they be wrong? Sure. Apple will without a doubt a lot of iPhone models in bunches. Some people will buy the iPhone 8, others will buy the iPhone 8 Plus and a good deal will buy the iPhone X. Apple wins, regardless. It can also be argued that some of the people who are waiting to buy the iPhone X may opt for the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus if they are unable to pre-order it the day it goes on sale or if they have a long wait time to receive it. What are your thoughts about it?
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    09-23-2017 11:28 AM
  2. swarlos's Avatar
    I think the only reason they could be seen as a failure would be because of the iPhone X. If that wasn’t an option I think they’d be selling a lot better but since the X is looming overhead most people are looking forward to that.
    Last edited by swarlos; 09-23-2017 at 12:16 PM.
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    09-23-2017 11:38 AM
  3. ItnStln's Avatar
    I think the only reason they could be seen as a failure would be because of the iPhone X. If that wasn’t an option I think they’d be selling a lot better but since the X is looking overhead most people are looking forward to that.
    I second this statement
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    09-23-2017 12:14 PM
  4. TwitchyPuppy's Avatar
    As a name, yes. It should’ve been called 7s, instead.
    09-23-2017 12:55 PM
  5. anon(9721108)'s Avatar
    Much like there is a niche for people who prefer a physical keyboard or wired headphones, there will be millions that still want a HOME button like myself.....for now anyway.

    I think many are holding out for the X but the 8 will do fine.
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    09-23-2017 12:59 PM
  6. ItnStln's Avatar
    As a name, yes. It should’ve been called 7s, instead.
    I'm still wondering why it wasn't because it completely went against apple's precedent for naming their phones.
    09-23-2017 01:03 PM
  7. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    I'm still wondering why it wasn't because it completely went against apple's precedent for naming their phones.
    Marketing. I imagine their focus groups and marketing research showed they’d sell more if they call it iPhone 8. I honestly believe the jump from iPhone 7 to iPhone 8 is being undervalued. Yes, it looks similar but iPhone 8 is a beast. The jump between iPhone 8 and iPhone X, on the other hand, is very much cosmetic.
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    09-23-2017 01:15 PM
  8. jaleelhamid's Avatar
    I think the only reason they could be seen as a failure would be because of the iPhone X. If that wasn’t an option I think they’d be selling a lot better but since the X is looming overhead most people are looking forward to that.
    Agree, but according to Tim cook, the iPhone 8 sales are apparently going pretty good...
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    09-23-2017 02:07 PM
  9. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I saw a news report on reviews from customers. They said there were a lot of complaints because many thought the 8 and 8 Plus were no different from the 7 and 7 Plus. These customers were not geeks or Apple fanboys who frequent forums. Just your average Joe and Sally in the wild.
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    09-23-2017 02:18 PM
  10. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Let’s say for example’s sake that Apple typically sells 10 million iPhones per year. When it was just one iPhone, the amount sold was a no brainer. When they begin selling 2 different sizes, 5 million bought the smaller size and 5 million bought the Plus size which still brought the sales total to 10 million. This year, there’s a third option which happens to be designed like no other iPhone before it. It’s safe to assume that they’ll sell 10 million iPhones this year, but what is uncertain is how much of each model will be sold. Even if the sales figure turns out to be in thirds, they’ll still reach their annual goal of 10 million sold. Does that mean the the individual devices are a failure simply because they didn’t outsell the other?
    09-23-2017 02:59 PM
  11. phonejunky's Avatar
    You know me - I like to stir the pot a bit....... I can’t help it! With that in mind, some people are seeming the iPhone 8 models a failure because there aren’t any widespread reports of Apple or the carriers being sold out of them. Some people even say that because the ‘design’ of the iPhone 8 models is the same as the iPhone 6 models, people simply don’t want them and thus call it a failure. Could they be right? Sure. Could they be wrong? Sure. Apple will without a doubt a lot of iPhone models in bunches. Some people will buy the iPhone 8, others will buy the iPhone 8 Plus and a good deal will buy the iPhone X. Apple wins, regardless. It can also be argued that some of the people who are waiting to buy the iPhone X may opt for the iPhone 8 or 8 Plus if they are unable to pre-order it the day it goes on sale or if they have a long wait time to receive it. What are your thoughts about it?
    I think time will tell. I have the 7 and after seeing the 8 nothing about it has made me intrigued to purchase it.
    09-23-2017 05:49 PM
  12. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I think time will tell. I have the 7 and after seeing the 8 nothing about it has made me intrigued to purchase it.
    I understand. There was nothing about it that ‘intrigued’ me, but because I typically get a new iPhone every year, I chose it, and now that I have it, I’m glad I went ahead and purchased it. Know what I mean?
    09-23-2017 05:57 PM
  13. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Let’s say for example’s sake that Apple typically sells 10 million iPhones per year. When it was just one iPhone, the amount sold was a no brainer. When they begin selling 2 different sizes, 5 million bought the smaller size and 5 million bought the Plus size which still brought the sales total to 10 million. This year, there’s a third option which happens to be designed like no other iPhone before it. It’s safe to assume that they’ll sell 10 million iPhones this year, but what is uncertain is how much of each model will be sold. Even if the sales figure turns out to be in thirds, they’ll still reach their annual goal of 10 million sold. Does that mean the the individual devices are a failure simply because they didn’t outsell the other?
    That's like if one model offers 2 colors, and each gets 50% of that models sales. Then that model offers 3 colors, and each get 33% of the sales. It doesn't mean sales are lacky.
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    09-23-2017 07:06 PM
  14. Raptor007's Avatar
    I don't think the iphone 8 is a failure, but the fact that there was actual stock at stores and there is still stock at stores over a week later indicates that users were not as pumped about the new iterative design going on 4 years. Yes its slightly different but when apple users are used to new designs every 2 years and they get a rehash on year 3 and warmed over on year 4 (aside from some of the updates internally). I also don't entirely believe that the X is holding up people from buying the 8. For me the 8 Plus would have been my purchase if not fro the X. The reason for the X is a size that fits between the 8 and 8 plus but is all screen. I want the same screen space I get on my 7 plus today just not a big phone. If they did that with the 8Plus and no X I would have bought it. Not a dud but not what they are used to.
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    09-23-2017 08:21 PM
  15. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I don't think the iphone 8 is a failure, but the fact that there was actual stock at stores and there is still stock at stores over a week later indicates that users were not as pumped about the new iterative design going on 4 years. Yes its slightly different but when apple users are used to new designs every 2 years and they get a rehash on year 3 and warmed over on year 4 (aside from some of the updates internally). I also don't entirely believe that the X is holding up people from buying the 8. For me the 8 Plus would have been my purchase if not fro the X. The reason for the X is a size that fits between the 8 and 8 plus but is all screen. I want the same screen space I get on my 7 plus today just not a big phone. If they did that with the 8Plus and no X I would have bought it. Not a dud but not what they are used to.
    If Apple had not included the iPhone X, I believe the sales of both the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus would be much more than they currently are. I also don’t believe that having the same design as the previous few iPhone iterations is why the majority are not buying it. Those folks, in my opinion, simply want the newest flagship model - the one with the edge to edge display. It’s the only reason I even consider buying it. But hey, we all have our opinions, right?....
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    09-23-2017 09:30 PM
  16. phonejunky's Avatar
    If Apple had not included the iPhone X, I believe the sales of both the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus would be much more than they currently are. I also don’t believe that having the same design as the previous few iPhone iterations is why the majority are not buying it. Those folks, in my opinion, simply want the newest flagship model - the one with the edge to edge display. It’s the only reason I even consider buying it. But hey, we all have our opinions, right?....
    I think it’s a mix between it being an incremental upgrade and the iPhone X. More so the iPhone X, but the 8 being very lack luster is a reason as well.
    09-23-2017 09:51 PM
  17. nikkisharif's Avatar
    The iPhone 8/8 Plus went on sale yesterday & I saw 4 of them, not including mine, in the barbershop today & there was also a line at Best Buy this afternoon. Regardless of what we hear, people are buying them. I’m not one that pays much attention to speculation/rumors, but it seems like people try to find the negative in any company that’s doing too well for their liking. There’s always something they want to speculate about. Apple, Samsung, Nike, the list goes on and on. These companies should be almost bankrupt by now because they don’t sell much anymore, right? Lol
    09-23-2017 10:00 PM
  18. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    The iPhone 8/8 Plus went on sale yesterday & I saw 4 of them, not including mine, in the barbershop today & there was also a line at Best Buy this afternoon. Regardless of what we hear, people are buying them. I’m not one that pays much attention to speculation/rumors, but it seems like people try to find the negative in any company that’s doing too well for their liking. There’s always something they want to speculate about. Apple, Samsung, Nike, the list goes on and on. These companies should be almost bankrupt by now because they don’t sell much anymore, right? Lol
    You’re right. People are indeed out buying them. In fact, when I was out and about earlier today, several people noticed my iPhone, and one guy asked if it was the new iPhone 8. Although I have the silver model, it looks like a pearl white in daylight.
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    09-23-2017 11:15 PM
  19. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    Discussions like these (i.e. “I’m not impressed with the iPhone 8”) always bring me back to this very basic question: What else would you like your iPhone to do that it doesn’t already do? I mean, the iPhone 8 can take on a 13-inch MacBook Pro. It benchmarks higher than literally every other smartphone on the market, including the Note 8. I would be buying one in a heartbeat if I wasn’t waiting on the iPhone X.

    I’m not being argumentative. I’d really like to know what would have caused everyone to be intrigued by the iPhone 8. Where did it fall short?
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    09-23-2017 11:26 PM
  20. nikkisharif's Avatar
    Discussions like these (i.e. “I’m not impressed with the iPhone 8”) always bring me back to this very basic question: What else would you like your iPhone to do that it doesn’t already do? I mean, the iPhone 8 can take on a 13-inch MacBook Pro. It benchmarks higher than literally every other smartphone on the market, including the Note 8. I would be buying one in a heartbeat if I wasn’t waiting on the iPhone X.

    I’m not being argumentative. I’d really like to know what would have caused everyone to be intrigued by the iPhone 8. Where did it fall short?
    It’s an iPhone! Let people tell it, Apple falls short every year because there aren’t any HUGE/gimmicky changes to it.

    Personally, I just look for features that work for my lifestyle. I was intrigued by the 8 because it’s glass, which I love!! I also wanted a smaller device, since carrying around 2 pluses has become a pain! Everything else is just an added bonus.
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    09-24-2017 12:15 AM
  21. ivanwi11iams's Avatar
    I don’t recall if Apple have ever released two iPhone models in the same year.

    However, the pending iPhone X release, is probably what’s impeding iPhone 8/8 Plus sales.

    Albeit, I’m sure Apple expected this prior to launch. All those statistics they probably have on sales, regions of sales, etcetera.
    09-24-2017 04:42 AM
  22. aidmyaim's Avatar
    Honestly one thing the iPhone could do for me, pick up apple pen support. Beyond that as far as function I mean I can already use it to turn off lights, vacuum my floor and open my garage... what else do we expect smart phones to do? Artificial intelligence? Can Siri be my new best friend?
    09-24-2017 05:19 AM
  23. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    It’s an iPhone! Let people tell it, Apple falls short every year because there aren’t any HUGE/gimmicky changes to it.

    Personally, I just look for features that work for my lifestyle. I was intrigued by the 8 because it’s glass, which I love!! I also wanted a smaller device, since carrying around 2 pluses has become a pain! Everything else is just an added bonus.
    Apple is doomed!

    The smartphone market has reached maturity, in my honest opinion. People are tired of looking at the same rectangle and want a different looking rectangle. Functionally, there’s not much else we should expect at this point. It isn’t just Apple though. When is the last time Samsung reinvented the smartphone?
    nikkisharif likes this.
    09-24-2017 06:28 AM
  24. Tartarus's Avatar
    Apple is doomed!

    The smartphone market has reached maturity, in my honest opinion. People are tired of looking at the same rectangle and want a different looking rectangle. Functionally, there’s not much else we should expect at this point. It isn’t just Apple though. When is the last time Samsung reinvented the smartphone?
    Aside from innovations, smartphone manufacturers have to find new markets, penetrate deeper in low-developed economies and create new ways to keep selling their products.

    Everyone in my family, for example, only upgrades when their current devices simply don’t suffice.
    The more tech savvy friends of mine upgrade rarely every year, but in two-year cycles.

    If I had the means I would’ve purchased the iPhone X upright from the Apple Store, but instead will have to wait until I can renew my contract next year around this time with one of the iPhones that will come out around the same time.
    09-24-2017 06:50 AM
  25. Spencerdl's Avatar
    Apple is doomed!
    LOL...True Story.
    In MY opinion the reason the iPhone 8/8 Plus (should have been named iPhone 7s/7s Plus to be honest) appears as a failure in comparison is a combination of just about every post in this thread. It's the same phone design after four years, It's not that much of an upgrade and I'm tired of being bamboozled out of my money for small incremental upgrades, I want the Apple "Flagship", I'm waiting on the X...Blah, Blah Blah...Apple will sell iPhones and a lot of them...PERIOD. Apple has a way of taking old/current technology and making it better while making consumers think because it's finally on an iPhone it's the best thing since sliced bread. That's what they do...they're supposed to. That's called BUSINESS.
    Tartarus and Danny8200 like this.
    09-24-2017 06:56 AM
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