1. nikkisharif's Avatar
    I just don’t know what people expect in a smartphone. They want all these crazy features packed into an octagon (rectangles are so dated), but then they don’t even use them & they complain it doesn’t fit right in their pocket. It’s the most annoying mess ever!! Oh wait, I forgot they also want the battery to last for 30 days & for it to cost $199.

    Most people don’t even know half the features that exist on their phone, but they still complain because they want more. Since we’re techy & in the forums we believe the public cares about these “special” things & they don’t. Ask the average person about 3D Touch & they’ll look at you crazy. Heck, you can ask them to do something as basic as Spotlight search & they still won’t know. I still have friends texting me to ask why their email only shows the past month, & how they backup their device because they keep getting a pop up that says they haven’t backed up. And don’t get me started on “how come my screen won’t rotate” My cousin goes to the bank to withdraw money, so he can deposit it into an account at another bank. He also goes to the ATM or calls to check his balances....he has a Samsung S7. People have no idea what they have in their hands. If you think about it, test a few folks that you know aren’t techy. The responses will shock you!!
    09-24-2017 07:55 AM
  2. Tartarus's Avatar
    I just don’t know what people expect in a smartphone. They want all these crazy features packed into an octagon (rectangles are so dated), but then they don’t even use them & they complain it doesn’t fit right in their pocket. It’s the most annoying mess ever!! Oh wait, I forgot they also want the battery to last for 30 days & for it to cost $199.

    Most people don’t even know half the features that exist on their phone, but they still complain because they want more. Since we’re techy & in the forums we believe the public cares about these “special” things & they don’t. Ask the average person about 3D Touch & they’ll look at you crazy. Heck, you can ask them to do something as basic as Spotlight search & they still won’t know. I still have friends texting me to ask why their email only shows the past month, & how they backup their device because they keep getting a pop up that says they haven’t backed up. And don’t get me started on “how come my screen won’t rotate” My cousin goes to the bank to withdraw money, so he can deposit it into an account at another bank. He also goes to the ATM or calls to check his balances....he has a Samsung S7. People have no idea what they have in their hands. If you think about it, test a few folks that you know aren’t techy. The responses will shock you!!
    Preach!!!
    nikkisharif likes this.
    09-24-2017 08:26 AM
  3. fairmarketvalue's Avatar
    I have a trusty iPhone 6 Plus currently running IOS 11. It may be a little slower that an 8 Plus, but it's paid for, and doesn't cost $800 to upgrade, so there's that. Based on my experience with 11, it looks like I can struggle by for at least another year, maybe more. At that point I'll reassess, and see whether: (a) Apple gets real with its iPhone X pricing by lowering it a bit; and (b) seeing if Apple has perfected its "no Home button" approach by doing away with the incredibly stupid and aesthetically displeasing "notch". Yup, I'm an Apple Luddite, not an Apple apostle, which is a good thing in my view.
    09-24-2017 08:26 AM
  4. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    Most people don’t even know half the features that exist on their phone, but they still complain because they want more. Since we’re techy & in the forums we believe the public cares about these “special” things & they don’t. Ask the average person about 3D Touch & they’ll look at you crazy.
    So true. My wife is a perfect example. She’s clueless. She doesn’t even use Touch ID despite my every effort to help her set it up. She’s using a 6s that she’ll keep until it breaks or until I upgrade it for her. Would I recommend that my wife upgrade to an iPhone 8? Nope. It would be a waste of money. She would just comment about how it’s the exact same thing as her 6s. Literally would not notice a difference aside from maybe the glass back.
    Tartarus, nikkisharif and aximtreo like this.
    09-24-2017 08:32 AM
  5. DarkBlade_95's Avatar
    I think a lot of people held out to see what the big deal is about the iPhone X. After the reviews are out and 90% of the people waiting miss the preorder window, we’ll see iPhone 8 sales take off.
    Danny8200 likes this.
    09-24-2017 08:37 AM
  6. Tartarus's Avatar
    She doesn’t even use Touch ID despite my every effort to help her set it up.
    It took me 5 attempts to have my mother be able to use TouchID.
    Now she’s praising the lord she doesn’t have to enter the 6-digit passcode anymore.
    09-24-2017 08:56 AM
  7. ItnStln's Avatar
    Marketing. I imagine their focus groups and marketing research showed they’d sell more if they call it iPhone 8. I honestly believe the jump from iPhone 7 to iPhone 8 is being undervalued. Yes, it looks similar but iPhone 8 is a beast. The jump between iPhone 8 and iPhone X, on the other hand, is very much cosmetic.
    Marketing makes sense
    09-24-2017 09:13 AM
  8. firstborn80's Avatar
    I agree! There's a lot of fuss that the iPhone 8 is not much of an upgrade from the 7, but neither was the 5 to 5S or 6 to 6S. I upgraded then as well, but I definitely could understand this launch being called 7S. I think they only called it an 8 because they changed to a glass back. I can't see any other reason...although there's probably a ton.

    Edit: I didn't answer the question...no I don't think it's a failure. I just think expectations are high.
    Rob Phillips likes this.
    09-24-2017 09:17 AM
  9. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    So true. My wife is a perfect example. She’s clueless. She doesn’t even use Touch ID despite my every effort to help her set it up. She’s using a 6s that she’ll keep until it breaks or until I upgrade it for her. Would I recommend that my wife upgrade to an iPhone 8? Nope. It would be a waste of money. She would just comment about how it’s the exact same thing as her 6s. Literally would not notice a difference aside from maybe the glass back.
    Same with my wife. She simply has no desire to set up Touch ID. I think she's afraid of it.
    09-24-2017 10:16 AM
  10. Craig's Avatar
    I can't get my wife to use Apple Pay, oh well.. but besides that, if the iPhone 8 is such a failure, why is the iPhone 8-Plus basically sold out everywhere? Around here AT&T and Verizon = completely sold out. Ship time is only 1+ weeks, but in store, they're gone, except a few silver 64GB.
    Tartarus likes this.
    09-24-2017 11:28 AM
  11. ItnStln's Avatar
    I don’t recall if Apple have ever released two iPhone models in the same year.

    However, the pending iPhone X release, is probably what’s impeding iPhone 8/8 Plus sales.

    Albeit, I’m sure Apple expected this prior to launch. All those statistics they probably have on sales, regions of sales, etcetera.
    2016 saw the SE and the 7/7 Plus
    I agree that the X release is impeding on the 8/8 Plus sales.
    09-24-2017 12:58 PM
  12. Premium1's Avatar
    Yes it is. Should have been the iPhone 7s (or really the 6sss). With that being said will be interesting to see what they do next year if they have the iPhone 9 and iPhone XI or whatever they call it or if they skip 9 altogether
    09-24-2017 01:32 PM
  13. calebt's Avatar
    Well I'm waiting for the X, I was at the store the other day checking out the 8 and nothing about it persuaded me into buying it, it also was available in all size and colors. I never preordered an iPhone I always wait for the reviews then decide. Who knows I might decide I don't like the X either after playing with it at the store.
    Premium1 likes this.
    09-24-2017 01:36 PM
  14. mogelijk's Avatar
    Two things:

    I suspect Apple only added the iPhone 8 out of "desperation." I think ideally Apple didn't want to release the 8 -- that it wanted to just have an X, maybe even an X and an X plus. However, after they started finding they'd have issues with the fingerprint reader and that they'd have issues making enough X phones to meet demand, the 8 was put into the lineup to allow an upgrade path for those who insisted on a fingerprint sensor, liked the traditional look and bezels (bezel-less phones can be difficult to hold without accidentally pressing on the screen), etc. I suspect if they would have had the X ready to ship in September, and could build enough to meet demand, there would have been no iPhone 8 (or perhaps the X would have been named the 8).

    Next, as the OP even admits to, I think this is an example of the Tech media trying to drum up controversy and get page views. From all accounts, the iPhone 8/Plus are selling well -- they've largely sold out the first weekend, though they aren't as "sold out" (such as a month delay if you didn't preorder a week ago) than previous iPhones. I think Apple is thrilled with how many have sold, considering their main flagship is still coming out in another month. I think, when all is said and done, Apple will sell just as many, or even more phones (with the extra new model), than they have in previous years.
    Premium1 and xanadome like this.
    09-24-2017 01:36 PM
  15. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    ......as the OP even admits to, I think this is an example of the Tech media trying to drum up controversy and get page views.....
    I did?.....
    09-24-2017 01:40 PM
  16. mogelijk's Avatar
    I did?.....
    You started this thread, saying:

    You know me - I like to stir the pot a bit....... I can’t help it! With that in mind, ...
    So, yes, you did!
    09-24-2017 01:45 PM
  17. Premium1's Avatar
    I'm still wondering why it wasn't because it completely went against apple's precedent for naming their phones.
    They probably figured it would be an even harder sell compared to the x if they went 7s and iPhone 10.
    09-24-2017 02:19 PM
  18. ItnStln's Avatar
    They probably figured it would be an even harder sell compared to the x if they went 7s and iPhone 10.
    That's true too. But now you have the 8 and 10 which could be confusing as well.
    Premium1 likes this.
    09-24-2017 02:20 PM
  19. Premium1's Avatar
    I can't get my wife to use Apple Pay, oh well.. but besides that, if the iPhone 8 is such a failure, why is the iPhone 8-Plus basically sold out everywhere? Around here AT&T and Verizon = completely sold out. Ship time is only 1+ weeks, but in store, they're gone, except a few silver 64GB.
    Because like is usual with apple, they keep limited stock the first month or so. They still aren't as sold out as previous years (where if you didn't get a preorder in the first hour you had a 3+ week wait)
    09-24-2017 02:42 PM
  20. Premium1's Avatar
    I just don’t know what people expect in a smartphone. They want all these crazy features packed into an octagon (rectangles are so dated), but then they don’t even use them & they complain it doesn’t fit right in their pocket. It’s the most annoying mess ever!! Oh wait, I forgot they also want the battery to last for 30 days & for it to cost $199.

    Most people don’t even know half the features that exist on their phone, but they still complain because they want more. Since we’re techy & in the forums we believe the public cares about these “special” things & they don’t. Ask the average person about 3D Touch & they’ll look at you crazy. Heck, you can ask them to do something as basic as Spotlight search & they still won’t know. I still have friends texting me to ask why their email only shows the past month, & how they backup their device because they keep getting a pop up that says they haven’t backed up. And don’t get me started on “how come my screen won’t rotate” My cousin goes to the bank to withdraw money, so he can deposit it into an account at another bank. He also goes to the ATM or calls to check his balances....he has a Samsung S7. People have no idea what they have in their hands. If you think about it, test a few folks that you know aren’t techy. The responses will shock you!!
    People want things they see on other devices. They see these other phones with larger screens in a smaller body than what the iPhone offers (and lets not argue, the iPhone 8/+ bezels are why it doesn't fit in a pocket). When there are alternatives out there that people see, they expect apple (who always loves to claim innovation and they created so many things) to step up to the plate and match it. The 8/+ are not deserving of a new number, when they are what has been for years an S type upgrade. The x should have been called the 8, with the 6sss being called the 7s/s+
    09-24-2017 06:42 PM
  21. Premium1's Avatar
    I agree! There's a lot of fuss that the iPhone 8 is not much of an upgrade from the 7, but neither was the 5 to 5S or 6 to 6S. I upgraded then as well, but I definitely could understand this launch being called 7S. I think they only called it an 8 because they changed to a glass back. I can't see any other reason...although there's probably a ton.

    Edit: I didn't answer the question...no I don't think it's a failure. I just think expectations are high.

    The difference being those were "S" upgrades not a new number. The new number usually marks a redesign. That is what people are complaining about.
    09-24-2017 06:43 PM
  22. Garz's Avatar
    People want things they see on other devices. They see these other phones with larger screens in a smaller body than what the iPhone offers (and lets not argue, the iPhone 8/+ bezels are why it doesn't fit in a pocket). When there are alternatives out there that people see, they expect apple (who always loves to claim innovation and they created so many things) to step up to the plate and match it. The 8/+ are not deserving of a new number, when they are what has been for years an S type upgrade. The x should have been called the 8, with the 6sss being called the 7s/s+
    Any kind of design change whether head phone jack being gone, removal of antenna lines going across the back, and glass back are enough that I think Apple considers it a design change and call it a new number. Yes it’s basically the same phone design or foot print for the past 4 models but I can see why they are not calling it an S model. Usually S models are exact same design just different internals. When you look at the 6/6 s and then the 7 and then the 8 you can tell there are changes from looking at the back. But the front, nobody would notice a change except maybe and I say maybe the wider speaker hole on top.
    Just_Me_D likes this.
    09-24-2017 07:13 PM
  23. nikkisharif's Avatar
    People want things they see on other devices. They see these other phones with larger screens in a smaller body than what the iPhone offers (and lets not argue, the iPhone 8/+ bezels are why it doesn't fit in a pocket). When there are alternatives out there that people see, they expect apple (who always loves to claim innovation and they created so many things) to step up to the plate and match it. The 8/+ are not deserving of a new number, when they are what has been for years an S type upgrade. The x should have been called the 8, with the 6sss being called the 7s/s+
    You’re missing my point. Maybe all your friends are in tech or our age groups/demographics are different but the average adult user wants a device that works for what they use it for. I’m a 39 year old woman working in IT & outside of that bubble, people are not comparing smartphone features & wanting what others have. Maybe that’s just the people I come in contact with, but they don’t care. This discussion wouldn’t even be happening right now if I wasn’t in this forum.
    BreakingKayfabe and Spencerdl like this.
    09-24-2017 08:09 PM
  24. donnation's Avatar
    I believe there is one reason only they released the 8 and 8 Plus. Supplies are going to be so limited that its going to be very difficult to find the X until 2018. I also believe that this will stop the update cycle on phones. They will release the iPhone 9 next year as well as software updates to the X, which will then catch up the models. It is essentially an announcement of the X, which will be the flagship phone next year as well.
    09-24-2017 08:33 PM
  25. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    I believe there is one reason only they released the 8 and 8 Plus. Supplies are going to be so limited that its going to be very difficult to find the X until 2018. I also believe that this will stop the update cycle on phones. They will release the iPhone 9 next year as well as software updates to the X, which will then catch up the models. It is essentially an announcement of the X, which will be the flagship phone next year as well.
    I see your point but I doubt Apple had enough time to throw together an additional iPhone model once they realized iPhone X supply would be as constrained as we are expecting. They’re already putting things together for next year’s models at this point. I also don’t think they’ll venture away from annual upgrades to its flagship devices. Apple needs to keep up with the competition (Samsung and Google), shareholders expect annual announcements, and iPhone sales are the majority of the company’s revenue (and new iPhone launches make up the majority of new sales).

    In my opinion, iPhone 8 and 8 Plus exist because there’s enough demand to warrant their existence. There are plenty of consumers who don’t want to or can’t afford to spent $1,000+ on a smartphone, especially internationally.
    09-24-2017 08:59 PM
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