1. afctee's Avatar
    There seems to be more and more reports coming out online, about Touch ID. In particular, it might not be part of the iPhone 8 - of course, right now, no one knows for sure.

    However, some reports are stating that they, Apple, will move towards an iris/facial scanning option, over Touch ID. I guess with Apple trying to go 'button-less', this could be partly the reason. I don't know this for a fact, merely speculating.

    Anyway, my issue is this. As a Black guy, using facial recognition simply won't work for me. It is bad enough as it is when I go to get a driving license photo, or something like that, and more light is needed to get a decent photo.

    I had the Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus, for about a week, before returning it (issue with the Base Band). And, just for the sake of testing, I tried the iris/retina scanner. Let's just say it took too many attempts.

    What say you, is the iris/facial scanner the way to go? Surely is doesn't mean because one giant (Samsung) did it, that Apple need to follow suit, right?
    07-11-2017 06:04 PM
  2. Tartarus's Avatar
    Don’t compare the adaptation of tech from other brands with Apple.
    I have yet to see Apple failing in adapting a new technology in their mobile devices. If and when they do it, they do it right.

    And no matter what skin color you have, it will work.

    The amount and the volume of in which the rumors are coming have nothing to do with those rumors to be true.

    For all you know those articles and people are just trying to get some screen time.

    My credo is, the earth is not round until Apple says it’s round. Heck, my name is not even Tartarus if Apple doesn’t officially announce it.
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    07-11-2017 06:20 PM
  3. afctee's Avatar
    LOL - I like that last paragraph...!!!

    Don’t compare the adaptation of tech from other brands with Apple.
    I have yet to see Apple failing in adapting a new technology in their mobile devices. If and when they do it, they do it right.

    And no matter what skin color you have, it will work.

    The amount and the volume of in which the rumors are coming have nothing to do with those rumors to be true.

    For all you know those articles and people are just trying to get some screen time.

    My credo is, the earth is not round until Apple says it’s round. Heck, my name is not even Tartarus if Apple doesn’t officially announce it.
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    07-11-2017 06:23 PM
  4. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    ...
    What say you, is the iris/facial scanner the way to go? Surely is doesn't mean because one giant (Samsung) did it, that Apple need to follow suit, right?
    I wouldn’t say that it’s the way to go because I see it as the next logical step in regard to security. Still, some people would say that it’s overkill for the typical smartphone user.
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    07-11-2017 08:10 PM
  5. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    Don’t compare the adaptation of tech from other brands with Apple.
    I have yet to see Apple failing in adapting a new technology in their mobile devices. If and when they do it, they do it right.

    And no matter what skin color you have, it will work.

    The amount and the volume of in which the rumors are coming have nothing to do with those rumors to be true.
    I agree with this. Apple generally doesn’t do something unless they can do it right, and they’re not going to release a major feature unless they can rest assured that it’s not going to discriminate against certain ethnicities.

    Facial recognition and no TouchID are just rumors at this point but I can’t help but take it at least a little seriously considering the source. Ming-Chi Kuo is probably the only source out there that gets it right. He has an excellent track record.
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    07-11-2017 09:03 PM
  6. anony_mouse's Avatar
    What say you, is the iris/facial scanner the way to go? Surely is doesn't mean because one giant (Samsung) did it, that Apple need to follow suit, right?
    Samsung included a fingerprint scanner on the S8 - on the rear of the phone. Even if Apple do add and iris or facial scanner, they won't necessarily drop the fingerprint scanner.
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    07-12-2017 05:43 AM
  7. RECON1's Avatar
    I don’t believe it’s fully the way to go yet. As usual, Apple likes to do sort of a trail run first. Maybe they’ll put it in the next iPhone as an added feature, but still have Touch ID.
    Yes, Apple you can argue that Apple doesn’t do something unless they can do it right (as others have said here already) but I think there’s still to many hurdles to overcome and it’s still too new of a tech/feature to just fully implement it.

    Just my thoughts
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    07-12-2017 11:31 AM
  8. Premium1's Avatar
    I think it will be nice to have in addition to, I just see it being more of a hindrance than a time saver like touch ID. I just cannot see how it will be faster for things like apple pay than placing your finger on a home button. Maybe apple has figured this out, but will be interesting to see what they do unveil.
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    07-12-2017 12:52 PM
  9. Premium1's Avatar
    Don’t compare the adaptation of tech from other brands with Apple.
    I have yet to see Apple failing in adapting a new technology in their mobile devices. If and when they do it, they do it right.

    And no matter what skin color you have, it will work.

    The amount and the volume of in which the rumors are coming have nothing to do with those rumors to be true.

    For all you know those articles and people are just trying to get some screen time.

    My credo is, the earth is not round until Apple says it’s round. Heck, my name is not even Tartarus if Apple doesn’t officially announce it.
    Agree. Remember all the rumors and even cases leaking the iPhone 5 tear drop design and then nothing? Seems to be once certain rumors start coming out (and they always leak) others jump on board and claim their "source" said the same (which who knows if they actually have a source or just piggy back off each other for the page clicks)
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    07-12-2017 12:54 PM
  10. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    If it comes to fruition, it will have to be damn good because how else would you unlock that phone with an iris/face scanner in a dark room? I'm all for Apple building on top of good technology.

    With all these part leaks and rumors, I still maintain my position that the OLED screen will fully be a Touch ID scanner.
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    07-12-2017 02:27 PM
  11. anony_mouse's Avatar
    If it comes to fruition, it will have to be damn good because how else would you unlock that phone with an iris/face scanner in a dark room? I'm all for Apple building on top of good technology.

    With all these part leaks and rumors, I still maintain my position that the OLED screen will fully be a Touch ID scanner.
    Nobody here seems to realise that it can be *both* facial/iris recognition *and* fingerprint scan. They are not exclusive. Maybe Apple will need to move the fingerprint scanner to the back (that's not necessarily a bad thing anyway), or maybe they find a way to make an invisible scanner that can be mounted on top of the display (if they really go with a "bezel-less" design).
    07-12-2017 02:43 PM
  12. toneofark's Avatar
    Apple will go that way when it can do it right. In the meantime, I don't see Touch ID going away just yet. Especially when it was just introduced to the MBP not very long ago.
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    07-12-2017 03:11 PM
  13. Premium1's Avatar
    If it comes to fruition, it will have to be damn good because how else would you unlock that phone with an iris/face scanner in a dark room? I'm all for Apple building on top of good technology.

    With all these part leaks and rumors, I still maintain my position that the OLED screen will fully be a Touch ID scanner.
    Wonder how that will work with screen protectors?
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    07-12-2017 03:43 PM
  14. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Wonder how that will work with screen protectors?
    My wild guess is the scanner wouldn't work unless you 3D Touch the screen. The scanner could still take the pic of your print through the screen protector.

    That's just me throwing something at the wall.
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    07-12-2017 04:18 PM
  15. afctee's Avatar
    Some very good arguments and points here.
    If Touch ID does stay, I seriously hope they DON'T move it to the back...!

    I often keep my phone on my desk, and from time to time press the home button to see messages and such. Moving it to the back, would hinder this process. Plus, Touch ID is so quick...!
    07-12-2017 09:14 PM
  16. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Some very good arguments and points here.
    If Touch ID does stay, I seriously hope they DON'T move it to the back...!

    I often keep my phone on my desk, and from time to time press the home button to see messages and such. Moving it to the back, would hinder this process. Plus, Touch ID is so quick...!
    This may be the price you pay for a bezel-less screen, if Apple go down that road. Maybe a bezel-less screen isn't really such a good idea...
    07-13-2017 03:13 AM
  17. Premium1's Avatar
    My wild guess is the scanner wouldn't work unless you 3D Touch the screen. The scanner could still take the pic of your print through the screen protector.

    That's just me throwing something at the wall.
    That makes sense. I could see a lot of upset people if they weren't able to put a screen protector on to cover the screen.
    07-13-2017 09:44 AM
  18. anony_mouse's Avatar
    My guess is that a fingerprint scanner will not work through a screen protector, but I'm happy to be corrected if someone knows better.

    There's some information on integrating a fingerprint sensor on a touchscreen here: https://www.androidcentral.com/qualc...oled-and-glass
    It suggests that Qualcomm's solution will not be available until 2019, but maybe Apple can do better.
    07-13-2017 09:59 AM
  19. Quis89's Avatar
    Don’t compare the adaptation of tech from other brands with Apple.
    I have yet to see Apple failing in adapting a new technology in their mobile devices. If and when they do it, they do it right.
    Aside from TouchID (Which they knocked out of the park), what new tech have they adopted recently that leads us to this conclusion? Siri certainly wasn't done right as they released that in beta. Since Tim Cook has taken over, what has Apple done that leaves us with such faith in their ability to release emerging tech in a way that sets them apart from the rest?

    Android may not get everything right on the first go but at least they're trying. I can't say I'm a fan of the rumors of Apple pushing Touch ID to the side and going with facial/retina scans. Rene's recent article suggests how those options could prove better than Touch ID. I love touch ID and would have to see it go away and I'm not sure how Apple could offer a better implementation than we've seen lately.
    07-13-2017 11:20 AM
  20. kjung7's Avatar
    Aside from TouchID (Which they knocked out of the park), what new tech have they adopted recently that leads us to this conclusion? Siri certainly wasn't done right as they released that in beta. Since Tim Cook has taken over, what has Apple done that leaves us with such faith in their ability to release emerging tech in a way that sets them apart from the rest?

    Android may not get everything right on the first go but at least they're trying. I can't say I'm a fan of the rumors of Apple pushing Touch ID to the side and going with facial/retina scans. Rene's recent article suggests how those options could prove better than Touch ID. I love touch ID and would have to see it go away and I'm not sure how Apple could offer a better implementation than we've seen lately.
    I agree with you. Apple has awesome ideas, but their follow through has been poor. Siri and the touchbar are prime examples. Apple Maps being another. Also, features such as Handoff could become so much more powerful, but Apple is not pushing the limits. I wish Apple would once more wow us every once in awhile. I think the last time I was truly amazed was when Apple released Touch ID for the iPhone.
    07-13-2017 11:28 AM
  21. Tartarus's Avatar
    Aside from TouchID (Which they knocked out of the park), what new tech have they adopted recently that leads us to this conclusion? Siri certainly wasn't done right as they released that in beta. Since Tim Cook has taken over, what has Apple done that leaves us with such faith in their ability to release emerging tech in a way that sets them apart from the rest?

    Android may not get everything right on the first go but at least they're trying. I can't say I'm a fan of the rumors of Apple pushing Touch ID to the side and going with facial/retina scans. Rene's recent article suggests how those options could prove better than Touch ID. I love touch ID and would have to see it go away and I'm not sure how Apple could offer a better implementation than we've seen lately.
    AirPods for example. There is still no similar headphone set on the market with the same traits.
    Their Watch is also still the leader in its own class.
    Trying and succeeding are two different things and Apple manages to succeed in most of their tries. Siri may be an exception to that but doesn’t diminish Apple’s successes so far.
    07-13-2017 11:29 AM
  22. Quis89's Avatar
    AirPods for example. There is still no similar headphone set on the market with the same traits.
    Their Watch is also still the leader in its own class.
    Trying and succeeding are two different things and Apple manages to succeed in most of their tries. Siri may be an exception to that but doesn’t diminish Apple’s successes so far.
    Eh...
    Bragi honestly has a better set of truly wireless headphones. And they're sweatproof. Also read a few reviews on the Erato wireless buds and they seem to take the cake on audio quality. Apple wins due to the W1 chip allowing advantages when paired directly with an iOS device. Take AirPods and pair them with a non-iOS device, and they don't really stand ahead of the pack. I say this as someone who is in LOVE with his AirPods. But I don't think I'd use those as an example of Apple knocking something out of the park. I still suffer the occasional drop in connection and audio quality leaves a bit to be desired. Main point is there are definitely similar options out there that do the same thing. Apple just does a great job when we talk about Apple products working well with other Apple products.

    Apple Watch is awesome.

    Those are companion pieces though. I'm referencing ways that Apple has shown us they can implement new/cutting edge tech in iOS and truly redefine what is currently available like they did with TouchID. Within iOS...I'm personally not convinced and the notion of TouchID being replaced by facial/retina definitely concerns me.

    Trying and succeeding are definitely two different things. But sometimes, it'd be nice to see Apple trying. Guess we will see what happens later this year.
    07-13-2017 11:41 AM
  23. Tartarus's Avatar
    Eh...
    Bragi honestly has a better set of truly wireless headphones. And they're sweatproof. Also read a few reviews on the Erato wireless buds and they seem to take the cake on audio quality. Apple wins due to the W1 chip allowing advantages when paired directly with an iOS device. Take AirPods and pair them with a non-iOS device, and they don't really stand ahead of the pack. I say this as someone who is in LOVE with his AirPods. But I don't think I'd use those as an example of Apple knocking something out of the park. I still suffer the occasional drop in connection and audio quality leaves a bit to be desired. Main point is there are definitely similar options out there that do the same thing. Apple just does a great job when we talk about Apple products working well with other Apple products.

    Apple Watch is awesome.

    Those are companion pieces though. I'm referencing ways that Apple has shown us they can implement new/cutting edge tech in iOS and truly redefine what is currently available like they did with TouchID. Within iOS...I'm personally not convinced and the notion of TouchID being replaced by facial/retina definitely concerns me.

    Trying and succeeding are definitely two different things. But sometimes, it'd be nice to see Apple trying. Guess we will see what happens later this year.
    You may be right on audio quality on AirPods but it’s the going mono on single piece in ear, syncing the pairing to all associated iCloud enabled devices, the automatically pausing when you take it out and so on.

    It’s the small stuff on iOS and iPhone/Watch/TV that make me happy and keeps me staying with Apple.

    Apple’s grass is green enough. I don’t need to look at the neighbors backyard.
    07-13-2017 11:46 AM
  24. Quis89's Avatar
    You may be right on audio quality on AirPods but it’s the going mono on single piece in ear, syncing the pairing to all associated iCloud enabled devices, the automatically pausing when you take it out and so on.

    It’s the small stuff on iOS and iPhone/Watch/TV that make me happy and keeps me staying with Apple.

    Apple’s grass is green enough. I don’t need to look at the neighbors backyard.
    I think that's my problem lol. I went swimming in the neighbors yard and found things that I LOVE that I believe Apple could have done a long time ago. But in the end, my iPhone still works better so I won't leave. I'll just instead gaze out the window and hope Apple pushes the envelope forward in the future.
    07-13-2017 11:49 AM
  25. Tartarus's Avatar
    I think that's my problem lol. I went swimming in the neighbors yard and found things that I LOVE that I believe Apple could have done a long time ago. But in the end, my iPhone still works better so I won't leave. I'll just instead gaze out the window and hope Apple pushes the envelope forward in the future.
    Lol. On that note; I’m happy with the small inflatable bath in my backyard
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    07-13-2017 11:50 AM
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