1. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Don't be a Literal Larry here... haha

    Nothing is future proof, but buying the latest one, when it's only a $150 difference, buys you more time than buying a phone that is already a generation behind... It's not uncommon for Apple to update iOS and intentionally withhold features that the old phone is perfectly capable of running, just to force people to update...

    No, the phone isn't much difference than the 7, but it also isn't much different than the 6, etc...

    Most new iphones are small incremental updates, barely better than the one before...
    The performance difference coming from a 6 is massive. 3x the RAM, and the CPU is 3 generations ahead.

    That’s a completely different scenario.

    From the 7, the gains are negligible. I don’t consider an 8 to be future proof in comparison to a 7 at all. It’s basically a refresh. Apple will force an upgrade through feature limitations before you even think of regretting going for the older device.

    $150 is a lot of money. It’s almost 19% of the cost of a 64GB iPhone 8+.

    These are simple facts.

    If we agree that the gains are small, then it’s hard to disagree that the $15 price premium is worth it. At this point, being “future proof” loses all relevance beyond Confirmation Bias. There is no other selling point that really feels worth the premium, so you use this as a way to justify spending more money.

    We all do it. It’s how I justified upgrading to the iPhone 6S Plus, and the 7 Plus.

    However the new phone always comes out supposedly requiring a new CPU to do exclusive things, while Google seemingly accomplishes much of the same things using a QC SoC that has been on the market (already) for over half a product cycle.

    You can upgrade every year for future proof ness. Apple will always find a way to make your hardware seem out of date, so that you can keep upgrading (on very short cycles, mind you) to a new phone.

    Ideally, they want everyone upgrading every year. Like clockwork.

    It’s not just about being barely better than the phone before it. It’s about paying $150 extra for it and the rationale you people give for doing so
    10-07-2017 01:46 PM
  2. WebOS-Refugee's Avatar
    just bought the iPhone 8 plus a week ago, my first iPhone. Prior to this phone I used a Nexus 6p, six years total on Android.

    My wife is a long time iPhone user. She currently has the 7. The look & feel between her 7 and my new 8 plus are definitely very similar, but there are some differences that made the newer phone worth it to me.

    Wireless charging: I have two Tylt chargers from earlier Android phones that supported wireless, and I really missed the convenience of using them. They work great with the 8 plus.

    Rapid charging: this one isn't getting much attention, but it's super important to me as someone who travels frequently for business. Getting a substantial charge from 15-30 minutes on the charger can make all the difference while traveling. You do have to buy a USB-C to lightning cable and a USB-C charger. The cable needs to come from Apple, I think, but the charger/adapter can be purchased more cheaply elsewhere.
    10-07-2017 03:38 PM
  3. SquireSCA's Avatar
    The performance difference coming from a 6 is massive. 3x the RAM, and the CPU is 3 generations ahead.

    That’s a completely different scenario.

    From the 7, the gains are negligible. I don’t consider an 8 to be future proof in comparison to a 7 at all. It’s basically a refresh. Apple will force an upgrade through feature limitations before you even think of regretting going for the older device.

    $150 is a lot of money. It’s almost 19% of the cost of a 64GB iPhone 8+.

    These are simple facts.

    If we agree that the gains are small, then it’s hard to disagree that the $15 price premium is worth it. At this point, being “future proof” loses all relevance beyond Confirmation Bias. There is no other selling point that really feels worth the premium, so you use this as a way to justify spending more money.

    We all do it. It’s how I justified upgrading to the iPhone 6S Plus, and the 7 Plus.

    However the new phone always comes out supposedly requiring a new CPU to do exclusive things, while Google seemingly accomplishes much of the same things using a QC SoC that has been on the market (already) for over half a product cycle.

    You can upgrade every year for future proof ness. Apple will always find a way to make your hardware seem out of date, so that you can keep upgrading (on very short cycles, mind you) to a new phone.

    Ideally, they want everyone upgrading every year. Like clockwork.

    It’s not just about being barely better than the phone before it. It’s about paying $150 extra for it and the rationale you people give for doing so
    I guess for me, if I am gonna spend $550, why not spend $700 and skip and upgrade cycle next time?

    While the CPU certainly CAN handle new features in iOS, Apple has a track record of making the old phones slower, or not able to partake of the new feature, like the split screen where you can do two apps on the screen at once the way Android has been doing it for awhile... I think they said it was because it didn't have enough RAM, the older model.

    Probably true, because just the OS and required services, takes up a full GB of RAM, so when you have only 1 or 2gb, you are already behind the 8 ball before you even launch and app... haha
    10-07-2017 04:31 PM
  4. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    I guess for me, if I am gonna spend $550, why not spend $700 and skip and upgrade cycle next time?

    While the CPU certainly CAN handle new features in iOS, Apple has a track record of making the old phones slower, or not able to partake of the new feature, like the split screen where you can do two apps on the screen at once the way Android has been doing it for awhile... I think they said it was because it didn't have enough RAM, the older model.

    Probably true, because just the OS and required services, takes up a full GB of RAM, so when you have only 1 or 2gb, you are already behind the 8 ball before you even launch and app... haha
    The iPhone 7 Plus has 3GB RAM. RAM is not a concern. The 8 Plus has the same amount of RAM.

    The bolded illustrates my point exactly. How future proof your phone is doesn't depend on the hardware in it, but on Apple's willingness to actually back port any of those new features to your device. Smartphone hardware has been powerful well beyond the capabilities of the software - for at least half a decade.

    Also, I don't think split screen would be very usable on the smaller iPhone model. The screen size and resolution is pretty bad for that. They also have terribly small batteries, so it would completely demolish your battery life if you used that a lot. The Plus is the only one that would really be usable in this way, similar to how they gave it Landscape and Portrait Home Screen orientations, and a bigger keyboard layout in Landscape.

    For the smaller phone, they would probably say they didn't like how it affected battery life, so they didn't put it in... But you can upgrade to a Plus or X (or whatever) and be fine ;-) Kind of like when they did FaceTime over Cellular, and used it to sell iPhone upgrades to people.
    Last edited by n8ter#AC; 10-08-2017 at 04:01 PM.
    10-08-2017 03:48 PM
  5. Quis89's Avatar
    The performance difference coming from a 6 is massive. 3x the RAM, and the CPU is 3 generations ahead.

    That’s a completely different scenario.

    From the 7, the gains are negligible. I don’t consider an 8 to be future proof in comparison to a 7 at all. It’s basically a refresh. Apple will force an upgrade through feature limitations before you even think of regretting going for the older device.

    $150 is a lot of money. It’s almost 19% of the cost of a 64GB iPhone 8+.

    These are simple facts.

    If we agree that the gains are small, then it’s hard to disagree that the $15 price premium is worth it. At this point, being “future proof” loses all relevance beyond Confirmation Bias. There is no other selling point that really feels worth the premium, so you use this as a way to justify spending more money.

    We all do it. It’s how I justified upgrading to the iPhone 6S Plus, and the 7 Plus.

    However the new phone always comes out supposedly requiring a new CPU to do exclusive things, while Google seemingly accomplishes much of the same things using a QC SoC that has been on the market (already) for over half a product cycle.

    You can upgrade every year for future proof ness. Apple will always find a way to make your hardware seem out of date, so that you can keep upgrading (on very short cycles, mind you) to a new phone.

    Ideally, they want everyone upgrading every year. Like clockwork.

    It’s not just about being barely better than the phone before it. It’s about paying $150 extra for it and the rationale you people give for doing so
    I agree with this.

    IMO, the answer to the OPs question is no. It’s not worth it. My wife went from the 7 to the 8 and cant tell a single difference. This years refresh was honestly extremely marginal. I think you’ll always have a group of people who justify their reasons and that’s fine. Everyone has reasons that work for them that make sense to them. But from my standpoint and that of my wife, the upgrade is pointless coming from a 7. She only upgraded because she was having problems with her 7 and rather than using insurance we figured we’d make the jump to see if it was worth it. You stated your wife isn’t a techie...I’d say she’d be perfectly fine with the 7 then.
    10-08-2017 10:17 PM
  6. techgeek88's Avatar
    Most definitely. I get new iPhones every year, and wasn't interested in the X, so I upgraded from a 7 Plus to an 8 Plus and couldn't be happier. I think in the big picture, the 8 Plus is kind of underrated and I think worthy of being called an 8 and not 7S. A lot of under the hood changes people don't always think about. Plus wireless charging.
    10-09-2017 01:42 AM
  7. SquireSCA's Avatar
    The iPhone 7 Plus has 3GB RAM. RAM is not a concern. The 8 Plus has the same amount of RAM.

    The bolded illustrates my point exactly. How future proof your phone is doesn't depend on the hardware in it, but on Apple's willingness to actually back port any of those new features to your device. Smartphone hardware has been powerful well beyond the capabilities of the software - for at least half a decade.

    Also, I don't think split screen would be very usable on the smaller iPhone model. The screen size and resolution is pretty bad for that. They also have terribly small batteries, so it would completely demolish your battery life if you used that a lot. The Plus is the only one that would really be usable in this way, similar to how they gave it Landscape and Portrait Home Screen orientations, and a bigger keyboard layout in Landscape.

    For the smaller phone, they would probably say they didn't like how it affected battery life, so they didn't put it in... But you can upgrade to a Plus or X (or whatever) and be fine ;-) Kind of like when they did FaceTime over Cellular, and used it to sell iPhone upgrades to people.
    TO me, that is just a crappy way to run a business from the customer's perspective. When I say future proof, I really should have just said "added longevity"... I know that it's not a matter of processing power usually, but a case of "Planned Obsolescence"... Having an 8, will offset that regardless of the cause, as Apple will be more likely to update the 8 than the 7, was all I was saying...

    If the 7 was WAY cheaper, that's one thing... But I don't want to spend over $500 for a device that is already 2 generations behind... If I only have $500 or so to spend, I would get a OnePlus 5, which on the Android side of the house, is a flagship performance device...
    10-09-2017 08:53 AM
  8. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Most definitely. I get new iPhones every year, and wasn't interested in the X, so I upgraded from a 7 Plus to an 8 Plus and couldn't be happier. I think in the big picture, the 8 Plus is kind of underrated and I think worthy of being called an 8 and not 7S. A lot of under the hood changes people don't always think about. Plus wireless charging.
    Even the iPhone S generation devices come with better internals. The 6 Plus had 1 GB RAM, the 6S Plus had 2GB. Then there was 3D Touch. Higher Resolution Cameras. And Dual Cameras. Better BT, WiFi, and LTE Radios...

    None of that is really that surprising, or mentionable... They wouldn't be able to sell phones at all if they didn't refresh the internal components... It would literally be the same phone if they didn't.

    Wireless charging is incredibly slow. The benefits of Wireless charging are definitely oversold.
    10-09-2017 09:38 AM
  9. bamf-hacker's Avatar
    Since you are coming from the 6 then either the 7 or the 8 will be a huge upgrade, however I always recommend getting the latest version of the phone you can afford since it will be around and working for a long time. The newer the phone the longer it will work well with new releases of the OS.
    10-09-2017 10:12 AM
  10. chrisforpm's Avatar
    Most definitely. I get new iPhones every year, and wasn't interested in the X, so I upgraded from a 7 Plus to an 8 Plus and couldn't be happier. I think in the big picture, the 8 Plus is kind of underrated and I think worthy of being called an 8 and not 7S. A lot of under the hood changes people don't always think about. Plus wireless charging.
    That’s exactly how I felt this year, I see the 8 Plus as a much bigger upgrade than most people will give it credit for.

    I’ll wait until next year and hope that we get a larger version X that won’t take 3 months to get. In the meantime I am really happy with my 8+.
    10-09-2017 11:49 AM
  11. techgeek88's Avatar
    Even the iPhone S generation devices come with better internals. The 6 Plus had 1 GB RAM, the 6S Plus had 2GB. Then there was 3D Touch. Higher Resolution Cameras. And Dual Cameras. Better BT, WiFi, and LTE Radios...

    None of that is really that surprising, or mentionable... They wouldn't be able to sell phones at all if they didn't refresh the internal components... It would literally be the same phone if they didn't.

    Wireless charging is incredibly slow. The benefits of Wireless charging are definitely oversold.
    Disagree. It was a big deal. Wireless charging may be slow.

    Let me share my use case.

    I have a Apple Black iPhone Dock from my 7 Plus, I often shut my light out in my room an hour before bed, play on the phone, and then plug it in. What that means for me is a lot of fumbling in the dark trying to get that phone "just right" on that dock so that the lightning port finds the lightning plug on the dock and slides in. It literally can take 2 minutes for me to figure out. I like the dock because I want to be able to see the screen when I wake up and not have it lying flat. I have trouble with it when the room is lit, even worse when dark and I really don't want to get out of bed to flip it on.

    What that means now is, I shut my light off, play with the phone, and just set the damn thing on a wireless charging dock and go to bed. LOL. Literally big. It can charge slow because it's overnight. My battery lasts so long I never need to charge it more than once a day anyway, and I can live with the slow charging on the wireless because I'm sleeping and couldn't care less.

    So for me and my use case, the wireless charging is a HUGE change and that plus the processor and camera upgrades was enough to move from a 7 Plus to an 8 Plus and I also enjoy speed improvements and better photos. I didn't lose anything by going with an 8 Plus other than an OLED screen, and TBH I've never felt like I needed anything better. The TrueTone is nice, but I don't have a problem with the IPS LCD display. There was no reason to go to that. Plus I'm not sold on Face ID.

    The takeaway is - it's different for everyone. For me and those like me, wireless charging was huge.
    10-09-2017 07:04 PM
  12. techgeek88's Avatar
    That’s exactly how I felt this year, I see the 8 Plus as a much bigger upgrade than most people will give it credit for.

    I’ll wait until next year and hope that we get a larger version X that won’t take 3 months to get. In the meantime I am really happy with my 8+.
    Exactly. I have huge hands and I think the X would be too small, despite a larger screen. I'll get the larger X next year when it doesn't feel like I'm taking a huge risk.
    10-09-2017 07:10 PM
  13. mogelijk's Avatar
    I think the 8 and 8 Plus are very underrated. I do think much of the problem is that you don't see the difference just casually looking at the phone or checking out the specs. To start, for me, one of the big differences is the battery life. There are reports that people who bought iPhone 8's, who previously used 7s, are finding the 8's battery will now last all day without needing to plug it in about 4 or 5. For a light to moderate user, you can get two days of use from the 8 Plus. The new processor is not only faster but the low power cores are much more energy efficient.

    The display, while roughly the same as that in the 7/Plus does get the TrueTone improvement, which to me make the screen much more pleasant to look at. There is the improvement in the camera sensor, that has better low light capabilities (even if it doesn't show up on most lists of specs). The wireless charging is a nice feature, particularly with the better battery life, as you can just set your phone an the wireless charger while at a desk or at home and let the charge top up. You also, if you need to charge your phone in a hurry, have the option to fast charge your phone.

    That is one place I'll ding Apple for the 8/Plus (and with the X); they really need to ship them with a USB-C charger brick and cable, even if they still shipped the 5W charger. It's annoying that, to use fast charging, you not only have to buy the large charging brick but also a USB-C to Lightning cable -- they should, at a minimum -- ship the USB-C to Lightning cable with the phone.

    I do think it is interesting that some reviewers have reached a similar conclusion, doing a "re-review" of the iPhone 8 and Plus after using them for a week, and admitting they were wrong when they said there was not that much improvement over the iPhone 7. In fact, an honest assessment is that the iPhone 8 has almost everything the iPhone X will have, plus a fingerprint sensor -- just in a more traditional iPhone look.
    Just_Me_D and WebOS-Refugee like this.
    10-09-2017 08:47 PM
  14. paulxxwall's Avatar
    I’m so lost in to what phone I want to purchase. My 6s plus has a weak battery but is quick and takes decent pictures and is almost paid off. Battery will cost me about 100$. The new 8 plus to me seems like the same phone just like the same phone I have but with a glass wireless charging case on it. Same face same display. A bit better camera but I don’t complain about my 6sp pictures either. So I feel like Apple is just reusing all of those billions of molds of the iPhone 6. And selling them as new designs. That’s why I’m interested in the x. That one looks like a new iPhone. Also in my mind is the new note 8 that thing looks awesome. Was hoping for Apple to wow me like that. We’ll have to see about th x.
    10-10-2017 08:21 AM
  15. Rodzp's Avatar
    Only you can justify your purchase. I just got the 8+ for my wife a week ago to replace her 6s 64gb that the battery was not lasting all day. I had the 7+ and was perfectly happy with it and was really leaning towards that option for her, but getting her the 7+ would loose the annual upgrade option she would have with the 8+. I also figured in a couple years the value of the two would offset the upfront cost some if we kept it and did not use the annual upgrade. The X was not something either of us were interested in.
    When I went to the the store I was going to get her the 64gb version, but she said once I was there she had run out of space and had to delete apps. I thought that was odd because she never mentioned that before so I cringed a little and said we will get the 256 gb version.
    Anyway when I get home she never looked at and said I like your phone better so you take the 8+. I thought ok maybe I will just go back and get the 7+ instead, but she had clearly planned for me to get the new phone all along so I did not want to hurt her feelings or anything. After using it for a week coming from the 7+ I can say the screen seems to be quite a bit better to me when looking at pictures I have taking on my SLR. It is slightly faster to the point I can notice it, but not enough I can say you should go with the 8 over the 7. The camera does have a few more cool tricks but I cannot tell a difference in the picture quality. I would buy the 8+ again giving the same situation and knowing what I know now. Honestly I do not see me replacing this phone for a few years.
    10-12-2017 09:50 AM
  16. Rodzp's Avatar
    Only you can justify your purchase. I just got the 8+ for my wife a week ago to replace her 6s 64gb that the battery was not lasting all day. I had the 7+ and was perfectly happy with it and was really leaning towards that option for her, but getting her the 7+ would loose the annual upgrade option she would have with the 8+. I also figured in a couple years the value of the two would offset the upfront cost some if we kept it and did not use the annual upgrade. The X was not something either of us were interested in.
    When I went to the the store I was going to get her the 64gb version, but she said once I was there she had run out of space and had to delete apps. I thought that was odd because she never mentioned that before so I cringed a little and said we will get the 256 gb version.
    Anyway when I get home she never looked at and said I like your phone better so you take the 8+. I thought ok maybe I will just go back and get the 7+ instead, but she had clearly planned for me to get the new phone all along so I did not want to hurt her feelings or anything. After using it for a week coming from the 7+ I can say the screen seems to be quite a bit better to me when looking at pictures I have taking on my SLR. It is slightly faster to the point I can notice it, but not enough I can say you should go with the 8 over the 7. The camera does have a few more cool tricks but I cannot tell a difference in the picture quality. I would buy the 8+ again giving the same situation and knowing what I know now. I can say if the 7+ had not of been my daily phone I would not have noticed the differences I do not think. I do not see me replacing this phone for a few years though.
    10-12-2017 09:50 AM
  17. Raptor007's Avatar
    Better processor, better battery life, double the storage options on the 8's. Wireless charging can be added on a 7 series without much issue but the 8 is worth it.
    12-01-2017 09:28 PM
  18. RTakher209's Avatar
    I traded in my 7 Plus to the 8 Plus, I think it’s worth it. It may not be much but just having the wireless charging and glass front n back make it feel like a new phone to me. Still can’t warm up to the X.
    12-01-2017 10:11 PM
  19. Sherry_B's Avatar
    I also traded in my 6s 64GB for the 8 Plus 256GB. Worth. Every. Single. Penny.
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    12-02-2017 11:03 AM
  20. imwjl's Avatar
    For now I'm happy to wait for a large aka S version of the X and use my 7 Plus but will point this out. For a whole lot of history people paid a lot more than $150 for a better camera or something to be a little faster.

    12-02-2017 01:20 PM
  21. AugustVance's Avatar
    I saw it’s worth it. I went from a 7plus to the X. Decided the X (this year) was not for me. Sold it yesterday and am now happily back with a 256gb space grey 8plus.
    12-02-2017 03:08 PM
  22. SugarMouth's Avatar
    The camera is worth going to the 8+ over the 7+.
    12-02-2017 05:40 PM
  23. TripleOne's Avatar
    Better processor, better battery life, double the storage options on the 8's. Wireless charging can be added on a 7 series without much issue but the 8 is worth it.
    Exactly.
    It’s definitely worth the extra $150.
    Jude526 likes this.
    12-02-2017 07:40 PM
  24. Jude526's Avatar
    I saw it’s worth it. I went from a 7plus to the X. Decided the X (this year) was not for me. Sold it yesterday and am now happily back with a 256gb space grey 8plus.
    You were out of the 14 day? I think 14 days isn’t long enough to make a decision as to whether or not a device is liked and will work for one’s needs. A few yrs ago, Verizon had a 30 day run for customers and it didn’t last long. I think maybe people took advantage of that length of time. Too bad and to charge a 35 restocking fee . That is why I played with the X a few times to make sure. I wanted to ignore the notch but couldn’t. I was told there is an app to get rid of the notch. But the phone is just too small for my liking. And I really like the style of the iconic iPhone. Newly with Apple a yr Jan. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that style. I like the home bezel and TOUCH ID is great.
    12-07-2017 02:34 AM
  25. Jude526's Avatar
    Battery life is awesome. Been off charger since 7 am and it’s almost 10pm 61%
    Listening to music on my way to work. Couple of Work calls checking not group me
    12-08-2017 11:49 PM
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