1. Garz's Avatar
    I am currently using an S8 Plus and love it. I also own a 7 Plus and enjoy it. I'm currently leaning towards my S8 Plus. Both good phones but my 7 Plus feels dated next to my S8 Plus.

    But I will welcome you back to the iPhone. Great device.
    That has been my exact thoughts. Also on s8 Plus.
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    06-02-2017 08:53 PM
  2. Lyall Demorrow's Avatar
    I'm finally back after my 2 month adventure of trying out the s8+. I have to say, the s8+ is an awesome phone, but I like iOS a little more. The most aggravating thing about Android for me was trying to find a good smart watch. I tried all of them and disliked them all. The Gear S3 was ok but lacked a few features that I need, and Android Wear is a mess. I'm very happy to have my iPhone 7+ and Apple Watch back!
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    06-05-2017 07:14 AM
  3. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    I've been on iOS since April 2016 after 10+ years on Android. I loved my Google Nexus devices (custom roms, etc) but just got tired of the constant tweaking to keep it running. Even stock roms had to be tinkered with to keep them going. Several reboots per day and I'd had enough.

    Now I have a 7 Plus, Apple Watch, iPad Pro and Apple TV.

    Loved the customization of Android, but needed a device that was reliable. So far, iOS hasn't disappointed.
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    06-05-2017 08:19 AM
  4. cwbcpa's Avatar
    I'm finally back after my 2 month adventure of trying out the s8+. I have to say, the s8+ is an awesome phone, but I like iOS a little more. The most aggravating thing about Android for me was trying to find a good smart watch. I tried all of them and disliked them all. The Gear S3 was ok but lacked a few features that I need, and Android Wear is a mess. I'm very happy to have my iPhone 7+ and Apple Watch back!
    I have the S8+ right now, but I'm typing this from my 7 Plus. I love the S8+. It's a great phone. I do miss my Apple Watch when I'm using it though. I've had the Gear S2 with prior galaxy phones. I liked it but it's definitely not the Apple Watch although I prefer the look of it.

    Ultimately, I don't know what I'll do. I'm going to wait until after WWDC today and then I'll decide what I'll be using going forward. If I had to make a choice right this second, I'd stick with the 7 Plus/Apple Watch combo right now.
    06-05-2017 08:36 AM
  5. tr1ad's Avatar
    I'll ask this as I always do - hows the battery life in comparison with the S8 and S8+?
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    06-05-2017 03:36 PM
  6. mogelijk's Avatar
    I have been exclusive to the iPhone since its introduction. I've also had a BlackBerry and Samsung S5.

    Hardware wise, the S8 Plus feels lighter, smaller and definitely faster that 7 plus. It just feels smoother than my 7. Samsung really stepped it up this time. This is not the Galaxy of the past. Samsung put some serious thought into the S8.

    As for the software side of things, I'd call it a draw between the 7 & the S8. iOS 10 is nice but Nougat is right there with it. Both have their pros and cons. Where the 7 is ahead is available apps and the quality of them. Mind you the android side of things is getting closer. Where the S8 is ahead is the customisation of the phone.

    Don't get me wrong I love both my 7 Plus and S8 Plus. They are both great devices. But I honestly think Samsung has put out a challenge for Apple. Plus with the arrival of the Note 8 later this year which looks like it could be another good one for Samsung. Especially after their failure with the Note 7. I think that epic fail taught Samsung a valuable lesson.
    I think Android has the advantage on the software side, as well. They offer the multi-tasking (2 apps on screen) that Apple only offers on the iPad. Also, the ability to choose default apps is a big plus for Android, rather than being forced to use things like Apple Maps. Google Assistant is currently more useful than Siri; though it will be interesting to see how Siri is improved with iOS 11.
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    06-06-2017 08:04 AM
  7. mogelijk's Avatar
    I switched to the 7 Plus a week ago from a lifetime of Android use. I know I'm still in the honeymoon phase, but I don't see myself going back to Android unless iPhones continously get more expensive and if Google finally figures out security and support.

    I don't find iOS any more boring than Android was getting. Pretty much all the same features.
    Actually, Google seems to have figured out security, the issue is getting the various manufacturers like Samsung to pass on the updates. I've seen some in the industry claim that the Nexus and Pixel devices are actually more secure, particularly with Android's monthly security updates.
    06-06-2017 08:11 AM
  8. anon(9602380)'s Avatar
    I think Android has the advantage on the software side, as well. They offer the multi-tasking (2 apps on screen) that Apple only offers on the iPad. Also, the ability to choose default apps is a big plus for Android, rather than being forced to use things like Apple Maps. Google Assistant is currently more useful than Siri; though it will be interesting to see how Siri is improved with iOS 11.
    iOS 11 will be interesting. Especially with the rumors swirling around the supposed Note 8.
    06-06-2017 08:40 AM
  9. Chuck_loads's Avatar
    Recently my 7 plus had a high speed impact with the ground had a loaner s8 for insurance claim. Anyways I liked it faster than the note 7 I had previously screen great as always but wasn't blown away by it. Battery life on par with 7 plus but apple seems to not be as fast persay but def smoother all around. Turned it back in yesterday for my new iPhone so all is right in my world.
    06-06-2017 09:07 AM
  10. muckle_dabuckle's Avatar
    Actually, Google seems to have figured out security, the issue is getting the various manufacturers like Samsung to pass on the updates.
    To me they still haven't figured it out being they haven't compelled the manufacturers to push out regular security updates. Seems like Google is figuring out ways around this for certain aspects of Android. I wish they'd just take charge. To me they have the leverage over both the manufacturers and carriers.

    I've seen some in the industry claim that the Nexus and Pixel devices are actually more secure, particularly with Android's monthly security updates.
    I've thought about that in the past and think it's a really good point.
    06-06-2017 09:24 AM
  11. mogelijk's Avatar
    To me they still haven't figured it out being they haven't compelled the manufacturers to push out regular security updates. Seems like Google is figuring out ways around this for certain aspects of Android. I wish they'd just take charge. To me they have the leverage over both the manufacturers and carriers.



    I've thought about that in the past and think it's a really good point.
    There seem to be two issues with Google trying to force manufacturers to comply. First is the fact that Android is Open Source, and I don't believe the ToS will allow Google to do that.

    Second, part of the reasons you can have devices like the S8 come from Android's being Open Source. It allows the manufacturers to add extra features and content, which is why you see so much diversity with Android devices. Even Microsoft, which owned Windows Phone OS, still started having similar issues trying to update some of the phones -- and that was without the diversity we see with Android. It become problematic for Microsoft to combine the hardware drivers of some devices, as well as the carrier versions, to get all phones updated.
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    06-06-2017 09:34 AM
  12. muckle_dabuckle's Avatar
    There seem to be two issues with Google trying to force manufacturers to comply. First is the fact that Android is Open Source, and I don't believe the ToS will allow Google to do that.

    Second, part of the reasons you can have devices like the S8 come from Android's being Open Source. It allows the manufacturers to add extra features and content, which is why you see so much diversity with Android devices. Even Microsoft, which owned Windows Phone OS, still started having similar issues trying to update some of the phones -- and that was without the diversity we see with Android. It become problematic for Microsoft to combine the hardware drivers of some devices, as well as the carrier versions, to get all phones updated.
    I thought Google separated the security updates from the software updates to make it easier? Then the manufacturers have hardware and software specific vulnerabilities to fix separate from the Google fixes. I've never been able to fully grasp android updates other than the manufacturer skins and carriers hold things up.

    I guess I was thinking too simply. I don't see what carriers could really do if Google bullied them. Not selling android would destroy them. Samsung seems to be the only manufacturer in the position to make their own OS, but Tizen doesn't seem very good. That's the leverage I was thinking of, but yeah it makes sense that the open source nature of Android prevents Google cracking down too much.
    06-06-2017 09:48 AM
  13. mogelijk's Avatar
    I thought Google separated the security updates from the software updates to make it easier? Then the manufacturers have hardware and software specific vulnerabilities to fix separate from the Google fixes. I've never been able to fully grasp android updates other than the manufacturer skins and carriers hold things up.

    I guess I was thinking too simply. I don't see what carriers could really do if Google bullied them. Not selling android would destroy them. Samsung seems to be the only manufacturer in the position to make their own OS, but Tizen doesn't seem very good. That's the leverage I was thinking of, but yeah it makes sense that the open source nature of Android prevents Google cracking down too much.
    Google is trying to make the updates separate from the hardware but you can't completely do it. It works best with the monthly security updates, but Android updates are hardware dependent. Also, again because of Open Source, the manufacturers can still add in the requirement to their versions of Android that requires them to approve the update before it goes to their devices.

    And you hit the issue, Google doesn't "sell" or "license" Android in a traditional sense -- it is basically free to use, which is why you have such a large modder community.
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    06-06-2017 10:06 AM
  14. grover5's Avatar
    Actually, Google seems to have figured out security, the issue is getting the various manufacturers like Samsung to pass on the updates. I've seen some in the industry claim that the Nexus and Pixel devices are actually more secure, particularly with Android's monthly security updates.
    I think iOS is more secure.
    06-06-2017 10:08 AM
  15. mogelijk's Avatar
    I think iOS is more secure.
    They both have advantages and disadvantages and it can easily be debated which is more secure. Google is doing a better job of providing security updates and patching security holes -- so long as your phone gets those updates. iOS is more "locked down" which provides advantages, since a "rogue" app on iOS cannot do the same damage, or steal the same information, as on Android.
    06-06-2017 10:20 AM
  16. grover5's Avatar
    They both have advantages and disadvantages and it can easily be debated which is more secure. Google is doing a better job of providing security updates and patching security holes -- so long as your phone gets those updates. iOS is more "locked down" which provides advantages, since a "rogue" app on iOS cannot do the same damage, or steal the same information, as on Android.
    Perhaps. As a recent owner of a nexus 6p I can say those security patches weren't exactly timely and one of them sent my phone into an endless bootloop that ended up killing it. So I personally wasnt very impressed.
    06-06-2017 10:30 AM
  17. muckle_dabuckle's Avatar
    Google is trying to make the updates separate from the hardware but you can't completely do it. It works best with the monthly security updates, but Android updates are hardware dependent. Also, again because of Open Source, the manufacturers can still add in the requirement to their versions of Android that requires them to approve the update before it goes to their devices.

    And you hit the issue, Google doesn't "sell" or "license" Android in a traditional sense -- it is basically free to use, which is why you have such a large modder community.
    Good points. It almost seems like my carrier pushes out Android security updates from the best selling phone down. There is no way to know how well a new phone will sell so it's a really annoying game I don't have to worry about anymore using Apple. It makes sense not spending resources testing updates on a phone not making any money for carriers...it's just a bad situation for customers.

    I don't know if I'm wrong here but doesn't Google announce vulnerabilities a month after notifying manufactures? If the manufacturer doesn't push the updates your phone is stuck with tons of known vulnerabilities for anyone to take advantage of that has the know how. I had almost 400 known vulnerabilities on my V20 before I ditched it for an iPhone 7 Plus.

    Are iOS vulnerabilities ever announced before being patched unless it is a shared hardware vulnerability announced by Google or other researchers?
    06-06-2017 11:16 AM
  18. mogelijk's Avatar
    Perhaps. As a recent owner of a nexus 6p I can say those security patches weren't exactly timely and one of them sent my phone into an endless bootloop that ended up killing it. So I personally wasnt very impressed.
    The idea on "timely" is that they pushed security updates once a month; more frequently than what Apple does.

    As another owner of a 6P, from what I saw, your experience wasn't typical. I never had any major issue with any update. I do seem to recall an update that caused an issue, but that happens on any phone (iOS 10.3.2 seems to be causing issues with my iPad and iPhone).

    The bootloop issue seems to have been a hardware issue with some 6P phones (though not as bad as LGs bootloop issue) and not directly related to the update.
    06-06-2017 11:30 AM
  19. grover5's Avatar
    The idea on "timely" is that they pushed security updates once a month; more frequently than what Apple does.

    As another owner of a 6P, from what I saw, your experience wasn't typical. I never had any major issue with any update. I do seem to recall an update that caused an issue, but that happens on any phone (iOS 10.3.2 seems to be causing issues with my iPad and iPhone).

    The bootloop issue seems to have been a hardware issue with some 6P phones (though not as bad as LGs bootloop issue) and not directly related to the update.
    Do you work for google? Just curious how you could possibly know the extent of the problem and what caused it. I do know I got the update. I installed it. And the phone immediately went into a reboot loop that killed it. I also know my security updates were always a month behind. And were updates to known and published vulnerabilities while I have not seen monthly published vulnerabilities on iOS. There are definitely good things about android. But security and stability would not be two that I'd tout.
    06-06-2017 11:35 AM
  20. mogelijk's Avatar
    Do you work for google? Just curious how you could possibly know the extent of the problem and what caused it. I do know I got the update. I installed it. And the phone immediately went into a reboot loop that killed it. I also know my security updates were always a month behind. And were updates to known and published vulnerabilities while I have not seen monthly published vulnerabilities on iOS. There are definitely good things about android. But security and stability would not be two that I'd tout.
    I'm a tech person; I know about this stuff because I follow it, both iOS and Android and own phones in both ecosystems.

    As for "announcing" vulnerabilities, I don't think that is the issue that many here are making it out to be. In fact, in the tech world, Apple is often criticized for not announcing their vulnerabilities. The reason for this is that vulnerabilities are typically known and understood, before being announced, by both hackers and those that work in mobile security. The main purpose of announcements is to let the average user know about the issues, including what steps they can take to minimize their vulnerability, until the issue is patched.
    06-06-2017 11:41 AM
  21. grover5's Avatar
    I'm a tech person; I know about this stuff because I follow it, both iOS and Android and own phones in both ecosystems.

    As for "announcing" vulnerabilities, I don't think that is the issue that many here are making it out to be. In fact, in the tech world, Apple is often criticized for not announcing their vulnerabilities. The reason for this is that vulnerabilities are typically known and understood, before being announced, by both hackers and those that work in mobile security. The main purpose of announcements is to let the average user know about the issues, including what steps they can take to minimize their vulnerability, until the issue is patched.
    That's one opinion. Mine is that security and stability are not strengths for android. As a past user of blackberry OS, blackberry 10 OS, palm webOS, Android and current iOS user I feel very comfortable in that assessment.
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    06-06-2017 11:49 AM
  22. TgeekB's Avatar
    That's one opinion. Mine is that security and stability are not strengths for android. As a past user of blackberry OS, blackberry 10 OS, palm webOS, Android and current iOS user I feel very comfortable in that assessment.
    I don't think there's any doubt about that. While Android has improved it's security, it remains the most vulnerable mobile OS.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    06-06-2017 02:06 PM
  23. chezm's Avatar
    They both have advantages and disadvantages and it can easily be debated which is more secure. Google is doing a better job of providing security updates and patching security holes -- so long as your phone gets those updates. iOS is more "locked down" which provides advantages, since a "rogue" app on iOS cannot do the same damage, or steal the same information, as on Android.
    I think its safe to say the locking down approach (no entry possible except for minor holes) is a safer, more secure setup than something more 'open source-esque' like Android. It's easier to stop things from breaching is the holes are plugged rather than open flood gates and patching that hole steps at a time.

    Im by no means a software OS expert, but working in the field of network engineering logic seems it could be somewhat implied/shared.
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    06-06-2017 03:32 PM
  24. SugarMouth's Avatar
    I am currently using an S8 Plus and love it. I also own a 7 Plus and enjoy it. I'm currently leaning towards my S8 Plus. Both good phones but my 7 Plus feels dated next to my S8 Plus.

    But I will welcome you back to the iPhone. Great device.
    Don't worry, come September you will forget about your S8 Plus. ;-)
    06-07-2017 05:42 PM
  25. anon(9602380)'s Avatar
    Don't worry, come September you will forget about your S8 Plus. ;-)
    Lol! I have to be honest with you and say unless Apple does something spectacular I'm going to be considering the Note 8. Please don't get me wrong I love Apple devices but the updates have not been anything huge as of late. Since I'm updating yearly I need more. I'll never drift away from any of my other Apple products such as my iMac, MBP or iPad. They are my work horses and nothing on the market even comes close. But Samsung really has stepped it up this time with the S8 Plus.
    06-07-2017 05:57 PM
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