1. MaxSmarties's Avatar
    You are correct their are work-arounds and you can gain back a lot of functionality. I'd rather have these services be os level rather than add on. Still hated the fact that I had to download the lg bridge application just for my lg G4 to talk to my Mac.
    yep. I still think using Android on a Mac is mostly a PITA.....
    04-12-2016 09:05 AM
  2. Sherry_B's Avatar
    Based on your carrier

    We did not rely on our carrier for updates to the S4 i9505G. The Android updates sent were stock AOSP, which is written and created by Google.
    04-12-2016 09:40 AM
  3. doogald's Avatar
    We did not rely on our carrier for updates to the S4 i9505G. The Android updates sent were stock AOSP, which is written and created by Google.
    *sigh*

    Updates to Google Play edition devices are managed by the device manufacturers, not by Google.
    04-12-2016 10:15 AM
  4. Sherry_B's Avatar
    *sigh*
    "Elena is an Android expert and author of this help page."

    Not even written by Google. Apparently Google does not thoroughly read what they allow on their support pages. Not surprising really.
    04-12-2016 10:26 AM
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    04-12-2016 10:33 AM
  6. MaxSmarties's Avatar
    We did not rely on our carrier for updates to the S4 i9505G. The Android updates sent were stock AOSP, which is written and created by Google.
    They were created by Google by provided to the OEMs .... That's part of the Google Play Edition agreement.
    It is different on Nexus devices.
    04-12-2016 11:08 AM
  7. Sherry_B's Avatar
    They were created by Google by provided to the OEMs .... That's part of the Google Play Edition agreement.
    Samsung had input, but they did not push OTA stock Android updates to the i9595G.
    04-12-2016 11:42 AM
  8. MaxSmarties's Avatar
    Samsung had input, but they did not push OTA stock Android updates to the i9595G.
    I think they actually did. They received stock Android from Google, provided hardware support an very little customization (just as far as supporting hardware, nothing more) and then push OTA to customers.
    That was the deal with GPe.
    A good halfway solution between Nexus and customized OEMs.
    04-12-2016 11:48 AM
  9. Sherry_B's Avatar
    I think they actually did. They received stock Android from Google, provided hardware support an very little customization (just as far as supporting hardware, nothing more) and then push OTA to customers.
    It was on the page at the Play Store that the phone would receive Android updates directly from Google. It was only one of the key factors we discussed before purchasing the phones. We never would have otherwise.

    Aside from that, there was never any updates released via Kies (it wasn't even compatible (ie; no updates) with the i9505G) nor were there any available downloads for that specific phone on the Samsung web site.

    That was the deal with GPe.
    I can find no legal online documents between Samsung and Google stating as such. All that I've found thus far are anecdotal statements.
    04-12-2016 12:00 PM
  10. Sherry_B's Avatar
    Directly from Samsung:


    What is better? Samsung S6 or iPhone 6s?-s4-updates.png
    04-12-2016 12:34 PM
  11. toneofark's Avatar
    I am a bit biased, but I always say go try them out for yourself. Then and ONLY then should you decide which one you prefer to buy.
    04-12-2016 12:52 PM
  12. doogald's Avatar
    Directly from Samsung:
    What they didn't tell you was that Google wouldn't be able to provide an update until they received it from Samsung.
    04-12-2016 12:57 PM
  13. mckillio's Avatar
    Depends, are you going to root or flash the S6? If so then the S6, if not the 6s. Personally, I haven't been able to root my S6 and will never get another Samsung phone, Nexus all the way. In which case, check out the Nexus 5x, the only shortcoming it has to the S6 is 2GB of RAM compared to 3GB but that RAM is used more efficiently.
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    04-12-2016 01:01 PM
  14. Sherry_B's Avatar
    What they didn't tell you was that Google wouldn't be able to provide an update until they received it from Samsung.
    Why would he tell me that info? I never asked him that. Zaki directly answered my question, which was who is responsible for the GPE S4 OTA updates.

    Perhaps now we can put this to rest.
    04-12-2016 01:09 PM
  15. Honey Beagle's Avatar
    IPhone
    04-12-2016 01:24 PM
  16. JaySeeDoubleYou's Avatar
    It's really so apples and oranges (no pun intended). They both have their strengths, they both have their weaknesses....and at the end of the day, they're both killer products.

    I have an iPhone - a 6+. I do not have a Samsung, though I used to - a Galaxy Note 3. I have no plans to buy another Samsung, never say never, I guess, but nothing's on the horizon. I WOULD like to have an Android phone as well as my iPhone, though, and alternate back and forth - same with a Windows phone. But if I ever do get to get back on the Android mothership, it's gonna be via a Nexus, and not a Samsung.

    But even with all that said, I STILL can't say that the iPhone is better than the Samsung.......It's just too darn give and take!!!

    In terms of the raw hardware, I do think the Samsung is easily the better (the screen has no equal in the market, and the camera is arguably the best as well), plus the design of the thing, IMO, is a little bit splashier than the Apple. But in terms of software, I think I'd have to give the crown to Apple. It runs cleaner, leaner, safer and all of that. Plus, if you have or plan to have any other Apple products, you always have Handoff, which to RADICALLY oversimplify, sort of syncs all your Apple devices. Very handy, and you'll be out of luck on that front with the Sammy.

    When it comes to Apps, between the two, Android has more apps....but Apple arguably has better apps. They tend to get updated first, and be more polished. Plus, while the Apple App Store may be a little bit draconian in its stringency, the Google Play Store, by comparison, is the Wild Wild West, and not only are you gonna find a ton more garbageware apps, or apps that are real clunky, but you can also even find things that will actually hurt you, though they certainly are working to shore that up.

    However, in terms of the [quote unquote] "essential apps", they're both gonna do just fine for you.

    But I think the big thing you have to decide is which operating system you like better. Do you like the look, the feel, and the feature-set of iOS better, or Android? Android is a LOT freer, and more flexible, and more customizable - you can "make it your own". But Apple is much cleaner, and safer. Android also has an app drawer, so you don't have to keep all your app icons on your main screen(s), which is handy, and Android also supports widgets, though with Apple, you can have an unlimited number of apps in a folder, which does help to offset the lack of app trays somewhat.

    Apple doesn't support widgets, but widgets can be a big battery drain too. And even with the addition of "doze" to Android Marshmallow, the Android phones are still gonna chew through their batteries quite a bit faster.

    A Nexus (if you want a third option) runs a much more "pure" Android experience than a Samsung (which modify the Android on their phones with a new user interface, and a suite of apps and features collectively referred to as "Touchwiz"). Some people love the look and feel of Touchwiz, and get serious benefit from the added features and functions. So I'm not here to bash Touchwiz....but I personally want no part of it. I MUCH prefer the look and feel of "vanilla", and don't really benefit from the extra features. Also, while "vanilla" Android is still quite a bit less lean and clean than iOS, and while "vanilla" phones still don't get their OS updates nearly as quickly as iOS, they are still much leaner and cleaner than Touchwiz devices, and can run as good or better on inferior hardware than a Touchwiz phone can on superior hardware (see Nexus 6p vs Galaxy Note 5). Plus, Nexus devices running "vanilla" get updates MUUUUCH quicker than Sammy devices do.

    I liked the hardware on my Note 3, quite a lot, heck, in some ways even better than this 6+! But it's the software, the battery plummet, and the eternal waits for updates that will keep me from coming back to a Sammy! Now, this kind of stuff may or may not matter to you. But if it does, and you decide to go Android over iOS, then I'd SERIOUSLY consider it!

    Anyway, the good news is this: you really can't go too wrong either way (an iPhone, a Galaxy....or a Nexus) The bad news: whichever one you get, you're going to miss out on the other ones, and they are awesome things you're going to be missing out on. So don't be too surprised if you don't feel a tinge of regret when you see one of the other ones in the wild. That's just what happens when you have to pick just one awesome thing from a pool of awesome things. I was in an elevator with a guy who had a super shiny new Samsung the other day, and I felt it, even with my commitment to avoid Samsung.

    As for me, and what I prefer, I prefer both...but differently. The distinctions I like to use (I'll use two that basically accomplish making the same point) are a) "left brain" (logic, reason, practicality, "adulthood") vs "right brain" (passion, emotion, taste, urges), or if you prefer, b) "head" (same in this case as "left brain"), vs "heart" (same in this case as "right brain"). My left brain (my head) prefers Apple, and my right brain (my heart) prefers Android....I'm using an Apple, though. :-)

    Wishing you all the best!!! Let us know what you choose! I think you're ultimately going to be okay either way.

    If you do go Samsung, go ahead and spring for the brand new S7, rather than last year's S6. Then again, iPhone 7 is not too far away, so do you really want to spring for the 6s so close to new phone time? Also, the Nexus 5x is fairly ho-hum. I'd probably skip it. The Nexus 6p is awesome, though...but at 5.7", it's quite a bit bigger than the 6s and S6 you're looking at, so if that's too big for you, then maybe just skip Nexus this round.

    Cheers!
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    04-12-2016 02:11 PM
  17. tnt4's Avatar
    If you had said S7, then I would've said it's a tossup and depends on the ecosystem you want. But the 6S is an overall better device than the S6, unless you're just hell bent on using Android. The S6 is nice, but the battery sucks and it has no water resistance like the S7.
    04-12-2016 02:51 PM
  18. JamesCinAustin's Avatar
    If you had said S7, then I would've said it's a tossup and depends on the ecosystem you want. But the 6S is an overall better device than the S6, unless you're just hell bent on using Android. The S6 is nice, but the battery sucks and it has no water resistance like the S7.
    Great points here. I currently have a Galaxy S7, and an iPhone 6s Plus. They're both awesome devices. I like a lot about each, and dislike a few things about each. it's really dependent upon what you do with your device and what features matter most to you as a user. If integration to MacOS and other devices like an iPad is your jam, then you're going to want the iPhone. If you're heavily into Google services, Android might make more sense. I'm speaking to the S7 here, because I think buying an S6 at this point is a bad move due to its age and it lacking significant features of the S7. The S7 and 6S both take amazing photos, have decent battery life (huge nod to the S7 over the standard 6s here - the 6s Plus is a different story with awesome battery life) and have all of the apps you could want. Buy what makes you happy.
    04-12-2016 05:19 PM
  19. mayconvert's Avatar
    Touchwiz is terrible and laggy.
    That was true in 2013. Not so any more. Completely wrong.
    I have the S7 and iPhone SE. The S7 is faster and doesn't lag.
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    04-12-2016 11:00 PM
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  21. rjholmes123's Avatar
    6 S Plus.
    04-13-2016 07:59 AM
  22. ecb1171's Avatar
    As other poster have mentioned, it's a personal decision. I tried the S6 last year but quickly returned i because the battery life was horrible. I now have an S7 Edge and iPhone 6s+ and I've been going back and forth on which one to keep.

    I ended up deciding upon the iPhone 6s+ because I'm tied into the Apple ecosystem and, while I think Apple software not been rock solid as of late, Apple really knocked it out of the park with Handoff and Continuity. For me, the ability to answer texts and calls from my Macbook or iPad negates the advantages of Android. In addition, many applications that are both on iOS and Android function better on iOS.

    I really like Android's design language (Material Design), Google Now has much better voice recognition than Siri and Google services and applications are better on Android than iOS. Specific to Samsung, Samsung Pay is great to use.

    I also found that the S7 Edge reception is way better than the iPhone 6s+...but that is really area and carrier specific.

    I second what some other posters have mentioned in that you may want to take a look at the S7 or S7 Edge, rather than the S6 as the improvements in TouchWiz are pretty significant.

    In the end, the integration of Apple products is what kept me on the iPhone. Honestly, I don't think that's going to be the determining factor forever but, if Handoff and Continuity are important, there are no solutions the perform as well as what Apple has.
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    04-13-2016 12:41 PM
  23. bcandiolo's Avatar
    Being critical to Samsung and Android, and the owner of an iPhone 6s 64gb, I just purchased the Samsung Galaxy S6 a few days ago.

    Compared to the iPhone 6s

    Pros
    Impressive much more better screen
    Better camera, sharper, beautiful macro pictures and even better low light pics, also better selfies
    The keyboard is amazing, vibrates, can predict multiple languages, numbers row on top
    Android has tons of app options, iOS offers a large collection, but most are abandoned apps
    Screen size is similar, 4.7 vs 5.1 but retina is noticeable inferior, text, zoomed pics, video, everything is a lot better on the S6 Edge.

    Cons
    Noticeable slower compared to iPhone 6s, especially while unlocking using the fingerprint sensor
    Still waiting for Marshmallow 6.0.1 upgrade.

    As many people are saying, iOS and Apple products are reliable and work.

    Android might crash a bit more, but it is much more enjoyable, customizable and full of features that are hard to find in an iPhone.

    I'm still testing the S6, but guess I'll keep it as my daily driver.

    Even when not the quickest to get updates, I must recognize that this Samsung product is simply a beautiful and very enjoyable smartphone.
    04-13-2016 08:33 PM
  24. pappy53's Avatar
    Being critical to Samsung and Android, and the owner of an iPhone 6s 64gb, I just purchased the Samsung Galaxy S6 a few days ago.

    Compared to the iPhone 6s

    Pros
    Impressive much more better screen
    Better camera, sharper, beautiful macro pictures and even better low light pics, also better selfies
    The keyboard is amazing, vibrates, can predict multiple languages, numbers row on top
    Android has tons of app options, iOS offers a large collection, but most are abandoned apps
    Screen size is similar, 4.7 vs 5.1 but retina is noticeable inferior, text, zoomed pics, video, everything is a lot better on the S6 Edge.

    Cons
    Noticeable slower compared to iPhone 6s, especially while unlocking using the fingerprint sensor
    Still waiting for Marshmallow 6.0.1 upgrade.

    As many people are saying, iOS and Apple products are reliable and work.

    Android might crash a bit more, but it is much more enjoyable, customizable and full of features that are hard to find in an iPhone.

    I'm still testing the S6, but guess I'll keep it as my daily driver.

    Even when not the quickest to get updates, I must recognize that this Samsung product is simply a beautiful and very enjoyable smartphone.
    Huh? Lol!
    04-13-2016 11:03 PM
  25. Domestoboto92x's Avatar
    Hey.

    I can only tell you to consider your priorities with your smartphone before you purchase because that'll be the TRUE determining factor of whether you should get the Samsung or the Apple.

    Say, you want a phone that works every time, launches an app every time, shoots a good photo every time, plays audio loud and clear every time, and you don't need excessive fiddling or tweaking around, you just need something you can count on to deliver a consistent experience, you should get the Apple.

    Say, you want a phone that you don't mind having a sit down and tweaking and refining to get what absolutely suits you, then let's you change things around when you feel it. You want a phone that delivers near excellent photography, good gaming performance, ungodly customisation opportunities, a truly "you" smartphone expressed by the screen, you should get the Samsung.

    Also, you'd want to consider how dependent are you on Google's utilities, say you already have a Gmail line or a YouTube page. If you don't have any deep Google ties, you won't have much of a problem with the iPhone. But if you use extensively Drive, Maps, and deeper Google utes, you'll probably feel at home with an Android.

    And don't worry too much on the battery life (or lack thereof) of either device you're considering, there's a Mophie battery case lying around on the decently cheap nowadays... Good luck.
    04-14-2016 12:06 AM
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