1. cctpitts01's Avatar
    I have been a longtime Android but went through the same problem you were going through, unless you go Nexus everything is a hot mess OEMs and destroy the core user experience of Android Carriers are screwing up the update schedules and some of them are even removing or screwing up features that were originally on the device when they were first announced ( cough cough Verizon&#128545 I at one time looked at Apple being the dark side but decided to make the jump back and got the iPhone 6s Plus and am glad to say I no longer think of it that way anymore. The UI fluid, it does what I need it to and there has been no device I have ever used that gets more battery life then the 6s Plus. I'm currently in the process of looking at getting an iPad now. You can do wrong by giving it a try but I will say this,You'll never want to go back.
    11-16-2015 03:34 PM
  2. macguy59's Avatar
    That's why I always do a backup via iTunes to the computer. When I pickup a new iPhone at the store, I choose to set it up as a "New" phone. I sign into iCloud and call it good until I can get to whichever Mac I used to back it up. Then I restore from backup at that point. Much quicker restore that way. *Note* If you encrypt the backup you did via iTunes, all of your passwords and app settings will get included when you restore it
    11-16-2015 09:24 PM
  3. pappy53's Avatar
    Android is the same. I do nothing other than login and click which backup I want to restore from and then remove any apps I don't want anymore before clicking restore. If I have my old Android device I don't even have to put my login info. Just tap the two devices together. With some apps like Netflix, I am not even required to login either as I enabled trusted app. Just open the app and I'm on my way.
    Android is absolutely not the same. When I say that iPhone is set up exactly like the old one, that is what I mean. It is an exact duplicate of the old iPhone. When you switch Androids, you have to go back and set up all your screens again, layouts, etc. It is a pain to switch Androids.
    11-16-2015 11:56 PM
  4. pappy53's Avatar
    That's why I always do a backup via iTunes to the computer. When I pickup a new iPhone at the store, I choose to set it up as a "New" phone. I sign into iCloud and call it good until I can get to whichever Mac I used to back it up. Then I restore from backup at that point. Much quicker restore that way. *Note* If you encrypt the backup you did via iTunes, all of your passwords and app settings will get included when you restore it
    Amen!
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    11-16-2015 11:57 PM
  5. pappy53's Avatar
    But getting your apps from the cloud versus the store is a pain and it is so slow it is not funny. I got 6 apps downloaded on my new 6+ and in the exact same time the Moto X PE was setup with every app I had on my older Nexus 5. So I don't really know if that helps a lot if it is a lot slower. I still had to log into all my apps on the MXPE and the 6+ as well.
    If you restore an iPhone from an iTunes backup, it is really quick. Plus, if your backup is encrypted, all app settings and passwords are set up, also.
    11-17-2015 12:01 AM
  6. worldspy99's Avatar
    If you restore an iPhone from an iTunes backup, it is really quick. Plus, if your backup is encrypted, all app settings and passwords are set up, also.
    I hate iTunes with a passion so that is a no go, 25 minutes and three apps have not downloaded...
    11-17-2015 12:17 AM
  7. pappy53's Avatar
    I hate iTunes with a passion so that is a no go, 25 minutes and three apps have not downloaded...
    I have a Mac, and iTunes is problem-free. And quick to restore.
    nj1266 likes this.
    11-17-2015 12:45 AM
  8. worldspy99's Avatar
    I have a Mac, and iTunes is problem-free. And quick to restore.
    Too many update prompts, syncing stuff is a pain. I stopped using it about three years ago for my iPad and iPod. Maybe I haven't had the kool aid yet...
    11-17-2015 02:01 AM
  9. worldspy99's Avatar
    On a new iPhone 6 with a brand new Apple ID account for a first time user, it took over 1 hour to download 4 apps. On LTE data I downloaded You Tube under 2 minutes on the same phone. With same WiFi connection the iPad downloaded updates to apps within seconds, I'm totally lost as to what is going on....
    11-17-2015 02:16 AM
  10. fanaticalism's Avatar
    Android is absolutely not the same. When I say that iPhone is set up exactly like the old one, that is what I mean. It is an exact duplicate of the old iPhone. When you switch Androids, you have to go back and set up all your screens again, layouts, etc. It is a pain to switch Androids.
    You're not an android user :/. My new phone is literally copied from my old phone.

    WiFi settings
    App placement
    App data
    Wallpaper
    App logins
    Contacts
    Photos
    Music
    Etc

    All this is replicated from backup, no difference. I use Hangouts so my messages restore but SMS does not transfer.
    11-17-2015 08:33 AM
  11. pappy53's Avatar
    You're not an android user :/. My new phone is literally copied from my old phone.

    WiFi settings
    App placement
    App data
    Wallpaper
    App logins
    Contacts
    Photos
    Music
    Etc

    All this is replicated from backup, no difference. I use Hangouts so my messages restore but SMS does not transfer.
    Yes, I am an Android user. But, I have never seen one restore an exact copy (and have to see it to believe it). It must be something new. I always have to re-do my screen and app arrangements.
    11-17-2015 09:52 AM
  12. fanaticalism's Avatar
    Yes, I am an Android user. But, I have never seen one restore an exact copy (and have to see it to believe it). It must be something new. I always have to re-do my screen and app arrangements.
    Since lollipop it carried everything over except app data which was introduced with marshmallow. The caveat is, you need stock android (or a skinned rom that runs the google now launcher) for it to work that way. So devices that run near stock have this feature like Motorola, One Plus and Nexus.
    11-17-2015 10:37 AM
  13. fanaticalism's Avatar


    Here's a video showing how it works. This is with 5.0
    11-17-2015 10:44 AM
  14. pappy53's Avatar
    Since lollipop it carried everything over except app data which was introduced with marshmallow. The caveat is, you need stock android (or a skinned rom that runs the google now launcher) for it to work that way. So devices that run near stock have this feature like Motorola, One Plus and Nexus.
    That is a huge caveat. Most users won't have that ability, since they use Samsungs, and don't use Google Now Launcher. Every iPhone user has this available with no caveats.
    nj1266 likes this.
    11-17-2015 12:05 PM
  15. EvoMperor's Avatar
    I'm back to the iPhone from Android. I hope this will help more than confuse but here's my take on it. First let me tell you that the switch back was not by choice. I got some faulty LG G4's that were causing such a headache that the best option for me at the time was the iPhone. Like some others in this thread, I'm not loyal to one brand but rather I go wherever technology and innovation leads. I owned every single iPhone up until iPhone 4 and then made the switch to Android when the galaxy S2 was released. I've been with Android ever since and never looked back so when I came full circle I was excited because I never got to experience things like siri, fingerprint scanning etc. I was expecting iOS to be vastly different than the way it was when I left it but it's not. I'm not saying that is a good or bad thing.
    For you it might be completely different because of never owning an iPhone but I'm not sure if you've ever owned an iPad or anything else with iOS baked in. Saying all that, below are my pros and cons of what I think so far of the current iPhone.
    Pros:
    Stability - This devices is definitely one of the most stable and fast devices I've ever owned. Apple iPhones are the king of optimizing the OS to make the hardware truly shine. Caveat, there are bugs but not deal breaking.
    Camera - It is one of the best on the market. Not much difference to the LG G4 which was one of the biggest selling points. The colors don't come out overly warm or cool and stay true though I haven't shot too much low light at this point so I can't speak on the flash. Live photos is pretty neat but I don't understand why its only random photos (maybe someone can explain?)
    Fingerprint Scanner - As much as I joked about this feature when it was introduced, it's very efficient way to keep your phone secure and quickly unlock it for access.
    Apple Pay - This goes along with the fingerprint scanner. Used this for the first time last week and it's very handy.
    3D Touch - This feature is pretty nice and has tons of potential but needs more 3rd party app support.
    No bloat - I believe one thing apple has always gotten right is their insistence to provide an unadulterated experience with their devices.
    Facetime - Oh how I've missed this. iOS video chat works better than hangouts or any other app I've used. It's just simple and works.
    Visual voicemail - Coming originally from iPhones this is probably the one thing I missed the most. While google voice transcripts are hilarious to read with friends and family on inebriated evenings. Apple nailed this one on the head from the start and is perfect for what it needs to do without all the bugs and fuss I've experienced with other voicemail apps.
    iPhones just work for you - plain and simple, out of the box iPhone is just an overall efficient beast that can do any task you need it to without having to mess with much. Nexus devices biggest flaw has always been its inability to include the bleeding edge hardware in its offering. Rooting devices that aren't nexus (which I did a lot) alleviates this but when a new software update drops, waiting for a new exploit is agonizing.

    Cons:
    Siri - It's not what I was expecting and he/she is quite bulky. Google Now is vastly superior in its efficiency and I wish there was an option to replace siri for it.
    No system-wide default changing - With the expansion of options for tasks in the app store since the last time I was in the ecosystem, it's annoying that you can only change your defaults within certain apps. It's a bottleneck that creates bugs. One big annoyance is the SwiftKey keyboard bug where it will open the stock keyboard randomly within certain apps.
    No widgets - If you're used to widgets its hard to be without them. It takes that many more steps to get the information you need.
    Very little customization - you'll notice very quickly that your customization options are severely limited.
    Slow transition animations and many unnecessary steps - the UI is beautiful but time and efficiency is important to me. After the first couple times watching the apps float smoothly across the screen, I'm over it. I also wish I could adjust UI to decrease the steps it takes to perform certain actions.
    Google apps suite - Call me crazy but the first thing I did when getting my iPhone 6s plus was install ALL google apps I used to use on my android devices. I do believe that because google is so interconnected with the internet that it has more powerful utilities for multitasking etc. The apps dont have all the features offered on android OS but its still more efficient than the provided iOS suite.

    There's also things I'm indifferent about but it all comes down to your own preferences as a user. The list above is just that, my preferences. Everyone's different but I hope I answered some questions you or others might have had. Hopefully one day Apple and Android users will learn to peacefully coexist as there is so many differences but they also share so much in common. So much can be learned from the other to improve. enough with the light or dark sides, cheers!
    Wildo6882 and MooMooPrincess like this.
    11-17-2015 12:18 PM
  16. MooMooPrincess's Avatar
    I think the 6s plus camera is only good for low light and night time. I prefer the note 5 for selfies and daytime photos. 6s+ front facing is so subpar (I see why people use 50 million apps to edit them) I've given up on the selfie lyfe on my 6s+ and now just carry my note 5 as my camera haha. But, I honestly wouldn't recommend the 6s/6s +....I would say just stick with your current phone nothing is really "good" the note 5, s6/edge/edge +, g4/v10 are all really lacking to me. Just wait for something truly good to come out if you can and save your money lol.
    11-17-2015 01:14 PM
  17. fanaticalism's Avatar
    That is a huge caveat. Most users won't have that ability, since they use Samsungs, and don't use Google Now Launcher. Every iPhone user has this available with no caveats.
    I think it's important for us to take a few steps back.

    Your initial point of contention was that android did not have a full backup and restore even after I explained that it did. You wanted to see it to believe it, so I provided visuals.

    I won't disagree that it is a "big" caveat, but being an android user, you would know that android is about choice and we pick the OEM or skin that suits our needs best. Like any OS (iOS included), they have their pros and cons.

    My choice? Stock android. It provides the smoothness and ecosystem that Apple provided but in a cross platform approach that enables me to choose the hardware that suits my needs and personal preferences but in its mobile form has Google's services deeply embedded in the software and hardware.
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    11-17-2015 01:33 PM
  18. rafal soboczynski's Avatar
    live photos are awesome, used them on lumia for ages now ;-p
    11-17-2015 06:46 PM
  19. Chargerman165's Avatar
    Dark side? It is the side of light. Was a Blacberry fan then one of the biggest Andriod fans starting with Verizon's first Driod. Had most all of them and back a few years ago you couldn't have given me an iPhone. Now you couldn't give me anything else. I guess one of my cons is that you can't customize an iPhone unless you jailbreak it but then I also find it a pro because with all the customization it becomes time issue and I got tired of it. I change phones a lot and on Apple products both of my phones and iPad sync up seamlessly. When I get a new phone or tablet I just back up the old one in iTunes and restore the new one likewise and all is back to normal. Also when there is a software update everybody gets it not like Android where it might be six months before you get it if at all depending on the carrier. Finally although not much I haven't learn about using an Android over time I find that IOS much easier to learn and thing I love the most Apple devices simply work and work well. No freezing or lag issues. Oh and one final thing the same apps that I got on Andriod seem to be superior on the iPhone even if I have to pay for them.
    11-18-2015 02:30 PM
  20. csiguy1's Avatar
    OK, I have used every major brand of cell phone out there. As I keep saying the grass is greener on the other side, it really isn't if you just want a phone that just works and works and works. I always come back to iPhone. I have about 3000 customer in my iPhone that syncs with my iPads, MacBook, etc. Nothing that I have found works any better. I live and die by my phone to make a living and I just came back to iPhone with a 6S Plus and couldn't be happier. Some phones have more features etc, but none are the work horse that the iPhone is. Cell Phones are not toys to me, they are tools to make a living with and stay in touch with my family and iPhone just does a great job at both.
    11-18-2015 02:44 PM
  21. Ticojpunk's Avatar
    OK, I have used every major brand of cell phone out there. As I keep saying the grass is greener on the other side, it really isn't if you just want a phone that just works and works and works. I always come back to iPhone. I have about 3000 customer in my iPhone that syncs with my iPads, MacBook, etc. Nothing that I have found works any better. I live and die by my phone to make a living and I just came back to iPhone with a 6S Plus and couldn't be happier. Some phones have more features etc, but none are the work horse that the iPhone is. Cell Phones are not toys to me, they are tools to make a living with and stay in touch with my family and iPhone just does a great job at both.
    I'm with you. I was an all-Android guy. I come from a background of using Linux, a computer programmer, tech nerd and all that. I loved tinkering with Android. iOS was always a nice place to visit though. It took zero effort to just step into it and be comfortable. As I got older and depended on my phone more and more for my job and communication with my family my desire to tinker fell off pretty quickly. I moved to an iPhone 6 last year and was pretty excited to do so. I fell right into it. It was great.

    This year I got a 6S Plus, but the Nexus 6P sparked my curiosity, so I ordered one. And it felt pretty weird. Going from years of Android right into iOS was seamless. Going from 11 months of iOS to Android was pretty jarring.

    I'm still a technology nerd but when it comes to this tool that I depend on, having an iPhone is pretty comforting.
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    11-18-2015 03:33 PM
  22. macguy59's Avatar
    No widgets - If you're used to widgets its hard to be without them. It takes that many more steps to get the information you need.
    Not true. Apple calls them "extensions" but they are clearly widgets that can reside in the pull down curtain. I actually prefer them this way. A swipe down when I want them and swipe back up when I don't.

    I'm thinking of going to the dark side, can you help?-img_0087.jpg
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    11-18-2015 06:54 PM
  23. garfnodie's Avatar
    I recently switched and I hate it. I got a 6+, and it's a beautiful piece of hardware, good battery life, and lots of beautiful apps; all stuff you can get with Android now. I've actually started a "Gripe List" document so I have easy justification for when I can finally afford a new phone again.
    1. First issue I have is with music apps. I deliver pizza, so I'm in and out of my car many times a day, and I use BT with a USB powered dongle that then attaches to my AUX in jack. Car turns on, USB adapter is now powered up, dongle turns on and connects to my phone. On rare occasions, a music app might start playing automatically, but I don't know which one, could be Apple Music, Google Music, or Pandora, and there's no way for me pick which one will launch. It usually doesn't start automatically, and that'e fine beecause I can just hit play on the dongle, but again, I have no idea what music app will start. It can be thrity minutes since it was paused and the same app will start when I hit play, or it could have been three minutes since it paused and a different app could start playing instead.
    2. Can't set file associations. I knew you couldn't set something like Chrome as your default browser, but I thought I'd be able to set say a specific app for a PDF or something like that. No.
    3. "Media Audio" vs "Phone Audio." On Andorid, when you connect a bluetooth audio device, like the dongle in my car, you can specify if that device does "Phone Audio", "Media Audio" or both. This is nice because on the dongle in my car, the microphone sucks, so I'd rather just answer my phone the normal "phone-to-ear" method, but I can't. If the phone is connected to the bluetooth, and I answer, it goes to the dongle's mic and car speakers automatically, so now I have to say loudly for the person on the phone to hold a sec as I switch over to phone. I also have to pick phone or bluetooth when making a call instead of having a default. I already tried the accessibility option of speaker phone always, but that was just as annoying as even call's not in the car went to speaker by default, which sucks. These things are big deal to me when driving because it's extra steps requiring more time eyes on screen and off road to complete the call or answer actions. I make many calls a night as I have lots of places I deliver where I can't go inside, like factories, college dorms, and business' who lock the main doors after hours. I call before I get to my destination in the hopes that the customer will be waiting when I arive and can get back to store sooner.
    4. iPhone's just seem to use a lot of data out of the box. It's fine for me as I have unlimited data, but still weird. I can remember my step mother having a iPhone 3g years ago and my father having an Android phone, and my Dad used the hell out of his data with google and videos and music, but he always used like a quarter of the data as his wife, who barly knew how to use the web browser or even know how to use Google on her phone.
    5. It sucks that when in apps like Amazon/Kindle, or Google Play(Movies, Music, etc.), or any other app that has digital media to buy, you can't buy them withing the app unless you want to pay more because of Apple requiring a 30% cut of all digital media sales. For example, if you setup a Spotify account on the iPhone or any other iOS device, it'll cost you $3 more than if you had purchased your membership through a web browser.
    6. I like how on Android, from within one app, I can purchase apps, music, movies, tv shows, books and magazines, and the browser based verson of Google Play even adds devices into the mix. Not like Apple who has one app for apps, one for audio/video, and one for books/magazines, and a whole other app for physical things.
    7. This thing crashes a lot more than any Android I've had(iOS 8 & 9) and has slowed a noticable amount since iOS 9 was installed. Since iOS 9 came out, things have gone from mostly smooth, to jerky and well, not smooth. I hear it works a lot better on the new hardware. This is the only things that makes regret not waiting a couple of months to get the 6s+ instead of just the regular 6+.
    8. Another weird thing is denying calls. I had to look up how to deny a call when the phone was asleep when a call came in, there was nothing on the screen to indicate to hit power once to silence and another to deny. I've always known about tapping power to silence, I've been using that since before the OG Blackberry curve(the one with a ball, not the pad).
    9. I've noticed little inconsistencies here and there too, and one in particular always sticks in my mine. If you're looking at images of apps while in the app store, you hit "DONE" in the upper right, but if it's an app video, "DONE" is in the upper left. I know it's a trivial thing, but it actually throws me off at times, and for a company who prides themselve on paying attention to the little things, this really irks me.
    10. Third party keyboards kind of suck on iOS. You can't use them in password boxes, they sometimes never even come up and I'm forced to kill an app and relaunch it just to get the keyboard to come up.
    11. I still can't share directly to a Facebook Group as I could on Android. It's hard to explain so here's a couple of video's illustrating what I mean.

    12. The "Notification" and "Today" pull down's are a joke in my opinion. A half-assed attemt to blatanly copy Android. A good idea to be sure, but a very poorly executed one.
    13. And finally, iOS hates Pebble watches. My watch got stuck in a safe mode loop. I can reset the watch, try to connect it to app, app says to put watch in safe mode, but app never detects that watch in now in safe mode as it supposed to and all I can do is try again, but get to same results. Ended up putting watch in drawer, probably never to use again as by the time I get an Android again, it'll probably no longer be supported, my luck and all


    The positives of this phone are beutiful hardware, great battery life, cool and plentiful accessory market, lots of great, beautify apps. I also really love how Tim Cook is really fighting this whole non-secure and anti-encryption thing. I think if anyone can help promote secure phones and hardware with no back-doors, it's Cook and Apple.

    Well, that's my soap box of things that bother me that I never saw mentioned elsewhere. I'm getting used to the phone, but these are all still problems and I will be dumping this phone as soon as I can pay it off.

    On a side note, I have an iPad mini 3, running iOS 9 as well and I love it, but I use it differently than a phone, so I really have no problems with it.
    Last edited by garfnodie; 11-19-2015 at 03:13 PM. Reason: Lots of grammar and spelling error I couldn't fix until a mod approved my post.
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    11-19-2015 12:00 AM
  24. chasvs's Avatar
    I know how you feel! I was a big BB fan/user until they fell behind and moved to Windows phone on VZW several years ago with Windows Phone 7. I was with them through 7 to Win10 Mobile (Previews) hoping that the new lumia 950's would be the devices I've always wanted. Well I'm on Verizon and as you probably know they aren't carrying or allowing the new lumia on their network. I've been using a Lumia Icon since they came out and can't imagine waiting another year for a possible new Microsoft device to come to VZW so I've moved to an iPhone 6S Plus for now.

    I miss the Windows Phone OS and saw a Lumia 950XL when they first were on display at m local Microsoft Store. I fell in love with it, but that was before it was confirmed that it wasn't coming to VZW. I am going to try the iPhone for the next year and see how it goes for me. At this point I've been using it for about 2 weeks and do like it very much. I'm still following the release of Windows Mobile 10 and the 950s to see how they work out so my love of windows Phone hasn't left me.

    Daniel Rubino over at Windows Central had been asked which OS he would go to if Windows Mobile ultimately failed. While he said he doubted that would ever happen, he did say he would likely move to iOS. He said while he finds the OS boring, it was the most stable, mature and secure OS with plenty of apps at this time. From my short use of the iPhone 6S Plus, I have to agree with his opinion.

    Will I ever go back to Windows Phone if VZW brings a HERO Windows Device to their network? I think so, but at this point I know I'm still new to the iPhone and things may change. Of course if MSFT and VZW don't get together soon, the point might be moot. I'm not about to go to AT&T just to get a Windows Phone, and the the only device on VZW at this time is a mid-level device that can't come close to the iPhone or Lumia 950's of MSFT.
    arwars likes this.
    11-20-2015 12:17 PM
  25. GeoK's Avatar
    Hi.
    I have a Blackberry Passport which super great to use. Solid functioning and reliable. And the battery life? Nobody can touch it. I travel and don't worry about cords.
    Can the 6s Plus can do a real whole day and still have 40-47 percent battery life like my Passport? I may be better off staying with my Blackberry Passport.
    I know the 6s cannot do a full day. My friends are always running out of battery.
    11-22-2015 10:42 PM
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