1. swarlos's Avatar
    I preached here in the past about how when one day Apple uses NFC technology on their devices, it wouldn't be called NFC. It would be coined a term made my Apple. In this case, Apple Pay. People are confusing the new iPhones coming with the Apple Pay feature and a NFC feature. Just because Apple Pay uses NFC technology, it doesn't mean the NFC on it is going to be used for what it can be used for by other phone manufacturers. Whoever actually thought that NFC on the iPhone right out of the gate would be the same as having it on a Nexus device or something like that mixed their Vicodin with the wrong cocktail.

    Just because it's there, it doesn't mean it shouldn't have the time to be done right in all aspects.

    And boy, is Google Wallet going to be dead now.
    Hahaha right?! I don't understand it the other side should know by now how Apple handles these new features and even when I owned an Android phone with all the NFC features available I never used them once and let alone Wallet because the only carrier Google managed to get on board with them was Sprint.

    ApplePay is a game changer and the nay sayers can suck it! Haha.
    09-16-2014 05:32 PM
  2. gravage's Avatar
    I would rather take Apple's "gimped" NFC over Android NFC. Over the years how many Android fans have touted and snubbed the iPhone for not having NFC yet Google never got Wallet off the ground, Android Beam was a joke and its not even touted as a feature anymore (I mean seriously who wants to share crap by tapping phones!! LOL @ Samsung ad) and whatever other crap NFC does.

    It just goes to show that when Apple implements something they do it better than any other OEM and look at how many partners they already have for ApplePay, Google wishes they had half that many if at all LOL.
    Oh, brother. It's not that Apple has a superior implementation, it's that Apple has mindshare. Most Apple users are oblivious to the fact that the services already exist on other platforms. For them, Apple just invented it. Mobile payments will take off now, simply because the mindless, uninformed drones now know that it exists through Apple. They made a good move with the partnerships, but there was nothing wrong with Google Wallet. Google simply had to fight carriers and merchants and they lost. Apple has more clout.

    People seem to overlook how badly passbook bombed.
    09-16-2014 10:33 PM
  3. michikade's Avatar
    I like passbook for one thing TOTAL - lock screen Starbucks card. Other than that I never ever use it. Heh.


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    09-16-2014 10:37 PM
  4. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Oh, brother. It's not that Apple has a superior implementation, it's that Apple has mindshare. Most Apple users are oblivious to the fact that the services already exist on other platforms. For them, Apple just invented it. Mobile payments will take off now, simply because the mindless, uninformed drones now know that it exists through Apple. They made a good move with the partnerships, but there was nothing wrong with Google Wallet. Google simply had to fight carriers and merchants and they lost. Apple has more clout.

    People seem to overlook how badly passbook bombed.


    I constantly have to remind myself that most of you will be gone in a few days...phew!
    09-16-2014 10:40 PM
  5. gravage's Avatar
    http://i.imgur.com/Q93TOT0.gif

    I constantly have to remind myself that most of you will be gone in a few days...phew!
    Cool story, bro!
    09-16-2014 10:42 PM
  6. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Cool story, bro!
    Short story really...thank god.
    09-17-2014 01:42 AM
  7. jdhooghe's Avatar
    Throughout my years of phone hopping, I have come to realize this:
    Apple does indeed roll out features later than the competitors, and oftentimes in limited fashion, that is true.
    But when they do, it's been tested and retested, tweaked, fixed, tested again, and by the time it shows up in the customer's grubby fingers, it works... like butter.
    I guess it's a quality over quantity thing.

    Do I like the multi bells and whistles from Androids? Hell yeah. ... Until they start hiccuping and sputtering and acting like a bipolar jumping bean on crack, that is.

    So, I'll bite smaller, chew longer... And not choke.
    OMG this is amazing. I sputtered my drink just reading this. Perfect description of Android XD
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    09-17-2014 06:21 AM
  8. jdhooghe's Avatar
    I'm neither open-minded or practical? Who doesn't know who? You make the bold statement that I don't know you then proceed to make wild assumptions about me. Brilliant!

    First of all, chill. Throughout your post you attempted to insult many. Stop it. Many of us HAVE gone to other platforms and we do KNOW the dangers of implementing technology too fast. It's unstable and unsafe.

    You people seem to fail to understand that NFC functionality is totally separate from Apple Pay. Apple can still make Apple Pay secure without gimping NFC functionality. One does not necessitate the other. Apple Pay simply uses NFC technology to accomplish a task.

    I searched Google today, but I failed to find any confirmed instances of someone hacking a phone through NFC. So, I guess it's not as much of a security risk as some would like us to believe.

    http://www.nearfieldcommunication.org/nfc-security.html Here's a list of possible threats. Take a look at that last one. The reason why Apple has not included NFC is because retailers didn't offer it. Now that Apple is on board things will be different. Risk is about to get a whole LOT greater. Not taking precaution is VERY DANGEROUS and can cause Apple's stock to come crashing. Look at the damage some of those other security risks have done.

    Just because we know it's a closed ecosystem doesn't mean that it's okay. This is a forum. Forums are used for discussion and sometimes venting. I'm allowed to gripe about the way a company chose to implement a feature on a $1000 piece of hardware (that I bought). I'm not obligated to perceive it as a perfect product, just because it was designed by a certain company.

    If you want a completely open system, there is Android but you knew in your heart of hearts Apple doesn't do things like Android. You went into this fully knowing what to expect from Apple and are throwing a tantrum when it turns out to be true. Just because you spent $1000 on a piece of hardware DOES NOT MEAN you are capable of making design conditions of the OS. You're just going to have to put in the minuscule extra effort to turn on your device until Apple works the dangers out.

    On Android, you can turn off NFC, if you're not using it. It remains to be seen if you can do this on iPhone, but if you can't, you're basically getting (slightly) reduced battery life for the privilege of one feature, which, let's face it, many average consumers probably won't use to begin with. I'm not saying it'll be a drastic hit, but if you're going to force me to leave NFC on all the time, at least give me other uses for it.

    The fact that one of the many things you had to do to make the battery life decent on an Android device was to turn off NFC says otherwise. I do not know the design of the chips so I or anyone else that isn't a hardware engineer can say if it does or not. Seeing how you are able to turn bluetooth on and off, I kind of think they are going to include the option for NFC.

    At the end of the day, this post went about how I expected. If I had posted it in an Android forum or a general forum, there may have been a few objective responses. Instead, I posted it in an iPhone forum where the blinders are on in full. It's funny that you accuse me of not being open-minded or practical when I'm the one who owns multiple smartphones from multiple platforms, with a new iPhone on the way. If anything, I'm the most objective person here. And I'm sorry if living in the Apple Ecosystem for so long makes some people incapable of objectivity because when you blindly defend a product's flaws, you come across as a cultist.
    You are not open minded because you can't seem to get over the Android way of thinking where the doors are wide open. You are no longer in Kansas, Sunshine. You're in Apple land now. You do not have ultimate control. Get used to it. Here's another article about the dangers of NFC: Researchers use shopping cart to put mobile, NFC payment theft on wheels | ZDNet Apparently you didn't look hard enough. Do you think Android has the influence Apple has on most retailers that this could not open up a HUGE can of worms. Seriously. You should start thinking objectively. Instead it's "ME, ME, ME. I want this NOW!" And you have apparently not thought about anything other than your bluetooth speaker
    I suppose that limiting the original iPhone to 2G when 3G was prevalent was okay. Or choosing radios that would not allow you to surf the internet over LTE while on a phone call was all "part of the plan". Even though other manufactures had no issue implementing these features in their phones. You can rationalize a defense for anything if you're invested in a product. Being objective is much harder.
    You say you had all the phones so you surely remember what LTE was like right? Probably not seeing how you conveniently forget how much of a power hog it was. How available was LTE when it was first introduced? You seem to be forgetting a lot of things.
    I bought an iPhone 6 Plus because I wanted one. But, like every other product on the market, it's not perfect. This post wasn't about bashing Apple. It was literally about asking "why would they do that"? I guess I'm just not as complacent is some of the rest of you.
    Easy. Learn respect. Don't belittle someone and don't act like a spoiled child when you don't get your way. Have a discussion not a ***** session.
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    09-17-2014 06:45 AM
  9. Coachbulldog's Avatar
    Oh, brother. It's not that Apple has a superior implementation, it's that Apple has mindshare. Most Apple users are oblivious to the fact that the services already exist on other platforms. For them, Apple just invented it.
    Most Apple users have no clue because it doesn't matter to them what other platforms do. The majority of iPhone users have never read a tech blog, posted on a Mobile Nations platform, or given a second thought to what Android, Windows, or BlackBerry devices can or can't do. When a feature comes to their device it is new to them. What difference does it make who they think "invented" it?

    Mobile payments will take off now, simply because the mindless, uninformed drones now know that it exists through Apple.
    I never understood the immaturity some display calling folks that choose another platform than them names. I can't relate to that kind of anger and bitterness. That said, you're wrong about why it will succeed. Apple is implementing a successful business plan that will make it work.

    They made a good move with the partnerships, but there was nothing wrong with Google Wallet. Google simply had to fight carriers and merchants and they lost. Apple has more clout.
    This is basic Economics 101. It doesn't matter that Google Wallet was a good feature. And the fact that Google had to "fight the carriers" is nothing more than the way the system works. Apple has more clout and a better business model.

    People seem to overlook how badly passbook bombed.
    What is their to overlook? The Passbook failed with iPhone users.
    09-17-2014 12:36 PM
  10. Coachbulldog's Avatar
    I do not know how reliable the Cult of Mac blog is, but here is a post discussing the points brought out in this thread:

    Apple confirms iPhone 6 NFC chip is only for Apple Pay at launch

    "All is not lost for developers hoping to see NFC APIs in the future, as the NXP-manufactured NFC chip Apple is using in the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus appears to be capable of providing open access to the NFC controller, according to experts PC Advisor spoke with at RapidNFC........Apple has already showed that its NFC chip has extended capabilities beyond Apple Pay. For example, the Apple Watch was demoed unlocking a hotel room with NFC at last weeks Apple event."
    09-17-2014 12:43 PM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    And boy, is Google Wallet going to be dead now.
    I agree with your post, except for this. Google Wallet is to Android what Apple Pay is to iOS. It's a method used by the OS to use a device's NFC for tap to pay. Vendors that adopt Apple Pay are actually implementing tap to pay, not necessarily Apple Pay specifically. Lots of credit cards now have it too, where you can tap the card to the terminal instead of swiping it.

    So on the contrary, Apple Pay will make Google Wallet's tap to pay feature much more popular because vendors will now get tap to pay enabled terminals. I've been using it for a year and a half, but as of now there are few places to use it. Even though I only use an iPhone occasionally, I always said that I wish it had tap to pay, if for no other reason than to make it grow. In the US, the iPhone's market share is roughly equal to Android's, but the iPhone is still what drives mainstream adoption for a lot of features like this.

    Thank God Apple Pay is here!
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    09-17-2014 01:16 PM
  12. HankAZ's Avatar
    I do not know how reliable the Cult of Mac blog is, but here is a post discussing the points brought out in this thread:

    Apple confirms iPhone 6 NFC chip is only for Apple Pay at launch

    "All is not lost for developers hoping to see NFC API’s in the future, as the NXP-manufactured NFC chip Apple is using in the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus appears to be capable of providing open access to the NFC controller, according to experts PC Advisor spoke with at RapidNFC........Apple has already showed that its NFC chip has extended capabilities beyond Apple Pay. For example, the Apple Watch was demoed unlocking a hotel room with NFC at last week’s Apple event."
    There was some discussion that the hotel room thing was not NFC/ApplePay at all, but rather Bluetooth LE. Time will tell.
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    09-17-2014 01:35 PM
  13. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    Moral of the story. Do not come to iMore with an obvious preference for another platform. You will get NOWHERE. NFC is cool I use it weekly on my phone now. Apple Pay is cool. But it is just a door slightly cracked waiting for someone to open it the rest of the way. Be patient. It took this long to get a device with a larger screen. Keep calm... they know what they are doing.
    09-17-2014 03:26 PM
  14. Coachbulldog's Avatar
    Moral of the story. Do not come to iMore with an obvious preference for another platform. You will get NOWHERE. NFC is cool I use it weekly on my phone now. Apple Pay is cool. But it is just a door slightly cracked waiting for someone to open it the rest of the way. Be patient. It took this long to get a device with a larger screen. Keep calm... they know what they are doing.
    I agree, someone that comes here with an obvious preference for another platform that makes statements like this isn't going to get anywhere:
    * "but stop drinking the Kool-Aid long enough to realize that this is not for your benefit"
    * "I posted it in an iPhone forum where the blinders are on in full"
    * "I'm sorry if living in the Apple Ecosystem for so long makes some people incapable of objectivity because when you blindly defend a product's flaws, you come across as a cultist"
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    09-17-2014 07:51 PM
  15. Zacharyw70's Avatar
    I know Apple has everyone by the balls but I'm surprised carriers didn't throw a big fit about this. I mean they're all supporting that Isis mobile wallet so it seems like they'd be annoyed with Apple restricting people to their own payment method.
    09-17-2014 08:18 PM
  16. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I know Apple has everyone by the balls but I'm surprised carriers didn't throw a big fit about this. I mean they're all supporting that Isis mobile wallet so it seems like they'd be annoyed with Apple restricting people to their own payment method.
    The carriers are Apple's b*tch.
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    09-18-2014 01:28 AM
  17. Xm_jdm's Avatar
    I know the Apple loyal are accustomed to having their options limited for their "own good", but stop drinking the Kool-Aid long enough to realize that this is not for your benefit.
    Oh please.
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    09-18-2014 08:25 AM
  18. tgp's Avatar
    I know Apple has everyone by the balls but I'm surprised carriers didn't throw a big fit about this. I mean they're all supporting that Isis mobile wallet so it seems like they'd be annoyed with Apple restricting people to their own payment method.
    I wouldn't be surprised if ISIS (now Softcard) goes away. Google worked around it a year ago with KitKat, and now Apple has done the same thing. WP hasn't yet, but ISIS is not yet enabled on WP either. This basically means that only WP users would have to use Softcard, and even if it was functional on WP, the market share is so small that it probably wouldn't be worth it.
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    09-18-2014 01:15 PM
  19. dixie dregs's Avatar
    Good One!...
    09-18-2014 03:41 PM
  20. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    Throughout my years of phone hopping, I have come to realize this:
    Apple does indeed roll out features later than the competitors, and oftentimes in limited fashion, that is true.
    But when they do, it's been tested and retested, tweaked, fixed, tested again, and by the time it shows up in the customer's grubby fingers, it works... like butter.
    I guess it's a quality over quantity thing.

    Do I like the multi bells and whistles from Androids? Hell yeah. ... Until they start hiccuping and sputtering and acting like a bipolar jumping bean on crack, that is.

    So, I'll bite smaller, chew longer... And not choke.
    Yeah this is it in a nutshell. Well put.

    I have an Android phone and an iPhone and I like them for totally different reasons.

    The Android phone is eminently customisable. I can tweak this and tweak that and make it look just like I want it. If I want info on my data plan or detailed battery life to be displayed on my homescreen, I can. Lovely. The issue is that performance suffers, reliability suffers and stability suffers, as I have experienced time and time again across multiple Android phones. Sometimes adding just one app from the Google Play Store (I never sideload) results in a chorus of random beeps and dings every now and again, necessitating downloading of another app to figure out which one is the problem. It's less secure than iOS and even some apps on the PLay Store that say they are for my phone, just refuse to work at all. Thank god for the ability to get my money back within a short window.

    My iPhone just works. Time and time again, it just works. If I want a phone to do something, I reach for my iPhone as I know I can rely on it 100% of the time. It has never failed me. It has never cost me over $2000 worth of work (like my Note 3 did by turning itself off without warning whilst I was expecting a very important call). It never falls over, glitches or behaves erratically. ITunes doesn't have the window to return an app and get a refund but then again if an app says it is going to work on my iPhone, you know what? It does! Shock, horror!

    I realise that others have experienced things differently across both platforms and i'm glad that there exists enough different platforms for everyone to do exactly that but at the end of the day, when I look at a device to use, my previous experience with a brand/OS is the ONLY thing that matters to me. I've had a very bad experience with Samsung and so I will never use a Samsung phone ever again. I have had a great experience with Apple so I will continue to use an Apple device as long as that experience remains stellar. I know others have had a bad experience with Apple and I feel sorry for them, the same as I would feel sorry for anyone that has parted with any of their money for anything and not had a stellar experience but it is utterly, utterly irrelevant to me as a consumer what someone else has experienced, if my experiences have been totally different.

    If you asked me to pick a phone ecosystem to use for the rest of my life based on my current experiences, I would unquestionably, unhesitatingly choose Apple. Call me an iSheep, I don't care. What I am doing is using a platform that I know I can rely on. If paying more for that gives me peace of mind to rely on my hardware then GREAT! I made the right decision, after all!

    I try not to disparage anyone for choosing any ecosystem, regardless of whether it is Blackberry, Android, WebOS, Windows Phone or any other but I will mock others when they try to portray what is merely their opinion as fact!

    TL : DR - Use whatever OS you want as long as it does what you need and is reliable and remember it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, all that matters is your personal experience with it.
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    09-22-2014 04:12 AM
  21. eh-up's Avatar
    How did Passbook bomb? I use it all the time.

    Starbucks, Hotel bookings, Boarding Cards for flights.

    Individual functions of device don't need to be useful to every person that owns one.

    If you live in the Apple eco system, or just like iPhones, then why would you look around? People who don't spend hours delving into all the specs and functions of each individual phone are mindless drones, they just know that what they are buying does a pretty good job and it's a tool to use.

    Of course, if I wanted an android device that beats the iPhone I'd probably need 4 devices anyway. 1 for speed, 1 for camera, another for the screen and 4th for some other 'advantage'
    09-22-2014 06:19 AM
  22. gravage's Avatar
    I agree, someone that comes here with an obvious preference for another platform that makes statements like this isn't going to get anywhere:
    Making wild assumption about someone's preference isn't going to get you anywhere either.
    09-22-2014 04:05 PM
  23. gravage's Avatar
    Short story really...thank god.
    You complain a lot about the threads people start on here, all the while failing to realize that no one forces you to read them. Perhaps you should find something more constructive to do with your time.
    09-22-2014 04:07 PM
  24. swarlos's Avatar
    Short story really...thank god.
    You complain a lot about the threads people start on here, all the while failing to realize that no one forces you to read them. Perhaps you should find something more constructive to do with your time.
    Now you've awoken the sleeping dragon! *Runs away to hide*
    09-22-2014 04:34 PM
  25. Coachbulldog's Avatar
    Making wild assumption about someone's preference isn't going to get you anywhere either.
    While I did use your comments, I didn't make any assumption, wild or other wise. I responded to another poster who used the phrase "preference for another platform"

    Moral of the story. Do not come to iMore with an obvious preference for another platform.
    gravage likes this.
    09-22-2014 06:00 PM
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