1. Metro1088's Avatar
    The single most mysterious aspect of the upcoming iPhone for most of us seems to be how it's going to look. The Internet right now is full of concepts and renders of artists' impressions. But not a single one of them looks plausible to me. Apple wouldn't release an iPhone with asymmetrical bezels on top and the bottom. At the same time releasing a phone with the same bezels as the iPhone 5s but with a 4.5" or 4.7" screen would be a suicide. Apple is certainly going to "cut" some bezels and I tried to take a guess at how it's going to turn out.

    Take a look at the back of the current iPhone:

    Could the iPhone 6 already be in front of our eyes?-iphone-5-backapple-iphone-5-review-digital-trends-reviews-xfcya7xh.jpg

    Imagine the same image with a display in the place of the metal plate.

    Could the iPhone 6 already be in front of our eyes?-iphone6.png

    But what about the home button with Touch ID, you ask?

    The bezels need to shrink, I don't doubt that. And the home button might need to go and become a touch sensitive area under the screen. This is where all the rumors and facts about sapphire crystal front panels begin to make sense. Apple doesn't need to ditch Gorilla Glass as it's good enough these days. The only really compelling reason to switch to sapphire crystal seems to be implementing the Touch ID under the entire front glass panel. Not as a circle in the home button but as a sensitive area right under the screen and below the glass. Remember that podcast with Rene when he mentioned rumors that Apple would try to implement Touch ID directly under the display? I think we're not too close to that yet but Apple is definitely working on bringing Touch ID under the glass panel.

    Right now on the back of the iPhone 5/5s the metal plate is 4.5" diagonally. For a 4.7" the entire phone needs to get slightly larger. Whatever the screen size, this is the only option that makes sense to me. Of all the renders I've seen, some of which done with great talent and resources, I think just taking the back of the iPhone 5 and going from there seems most plausible. Bezels need to shrink and shrink symmetrically. As a result the home button needs to become a touch sensitive area together with the Touch ID and this is where the sapphire crystal comes. It all makes sense to me.

    Before you reply to this post, please have a look at the back of your iPhone 5 or 5s. Hold it, think about the proportions, does it look plausible for you? Does it look like something Apple would do? Does it still retain the iconic iPhone silhouette that is so obviously missing from most of the renders out there?

    What do you think? I'd like to read your take on this idea of mine.
    02-19-2014 09:50 AM
  2. Speedygi's Avatar
    I must say the way you explained all the aspects and came to that conclusion, you did great work here. Well done, and you have the knack for this.

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    02-19-2014 10:37 AM
  3. Septembersrain's Avatar
    If it turns out you are right, I think you could make a ton of money off forecasting. Haha.

    Seriously though, this was well thought out and extremely plausible.
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    02-19-2014 12:49 PM
  4. kataran's Avatar
    I could get use to this design the Touch ID area you speak of is a great concept reminds me of my palm pre 2


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    02-19-2014 02:22 PM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    Apple wouldn't release an iPhone with asymmetrical bezels on top and the bottom.
    Well, Apple released the 5c with a case that showed "hon"!

    Could the iPhone 6 already be in front of our eyes?-hon.jpg

    But seriously, as the others have said your post is very thorough and well thought out. It makes sense to me.
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    02-19-2014 04:03 PM
  6. TurboTiger's Avatar
    Nice post Metro.
    Good Luck
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    02-19-2014 09:16 PM
  7. BLiNK's Avatar
    wow. somebody has A LOT of time on their hands.
    02-20-2014 12:32 AM
  8. Metro1088's Avatar
    Here's another quick mock up.

    Could the iPhone 6 already be in front of our eyes?-iphone6mockup.png

    I put a circle under the screen because if the home button don't make it (as I think it won't), there would be some kind of indication where the touch sensitive area under the glass would be.

    More on the home button:

    If Apple decreases the bezel, they need to decrease the size of the home button (just like they did with iPhone 5 compared to 4S). But a smaller home button wouldn't be capable of carrying the Touch ID. That's a deal breaker (not to mention a smaller button would be harder to press). Even with the current size of the button it's only few millimeters below the screen and is already interfering with the swipe gesture for Control Center. A smaller button going closer to the screen would make things way worse.

    I just can't help but think the home button would go or would change significantly. Everything points that way to me.

    I made this thread to challenge my idea and if somebody has a better supposition of how things are going to turn out, I'd be glad to read it.
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    02-20-2014 03:51 AM
  9. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    A couple of really great posts there, Metro. Thanks for taking the time to write those.

    One thing to add, and it's playing devil's advocate slightly here, if the current situation is as you state:

    Even with the current size of the button it's only few millimeters below the screen and is already interfering with the swipe gesture for Control Center. A smaller button going closer to the screen would make things way worse.
    I'm still using an iPhone 5 and don't have this 'mis-swipe' issue at all so maybe it's a greater problem on the 5S. However, if my thinking is correct, surely a touch sensitive panel in the same place would cause even more problems and instances of people hitting that by accident instead of swiping up for the CP? Currently there is a physical button that needs to be depressed, which whilst close to the screen still means that someone has to press slightly harder to activate it. A touch panel wouldn't even have that and would be far far easier to accidentally activate. As I said, I don't have an iPhone 5S so maybe this is a greater issue on that.
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    02-20-2014 04:58 AM
  10. Metro1088's Avatar
    A couple of really great posts there, Metro. Thanks for taking the time to write those.

    One thing to add, and it's playing devil's advocate slightly here, if the current situation is as you state:



    I'm still using an iPhone 5 and don't have this 'mis-swipe' issue at all so maybe it's a greater problem on the 5S. However, if my thinking is correct, surely a touch sensitive panel in the same place would cause even more problems and instances of people hitting that by accident instead of swiping up for the CP? Currently there is a physical button that needs to be depressed, which whilst close to the screen still means that someone has to press slightly harder to activate it. A touch panel wouldn't even have that and would be far far easier to accidentally activate. As I said, I don't have an iPhone 5S so maybe this is a greater issue on that.
    Excellent point, Highrisedrifter. I hadn't thought about that.

    It could work by a software tweak where the OS can differentiate wether it's a tap or a swipe as it is on the Android phones with virtual keys. Tap the home button and you're home. Swipe from the home button up and you're in Google now. Worked fine for me.

    The thing is Apple hasn't done touch sensitive surface in stead of a button for a long time. I think some iPods had that. And it's very Samsung-y. So I could still pretty much be wrong but then again there's where thought leads me to.


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    02-20-2014 05:11 AM
  11. meashishnd's Avatar
    Excellent point, Highrisedrifter. I hadn't thought about that.
    It could work by a software tweak where the OS can differentiate wether it's a tap or a swipe as it is on the Android phones with virtual keys. Tap the home button and you're home. Swipe from the home button up and you're in Google now. Worked fine for me.
    The thing is Apple hasn't done touch sensitive surface in stead of a button for a long time. I think some iPods had that. And it's very Samsung-y. So I could still pretty much be wrong but then again there's where thought leads me to.
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    Hi Bro. Just FYI click thiz threads 4 more n never imagine mockups & prototyope
    http://forums.imore.com/iphone-6/274...phone-air.html
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    http://forums.imore.com/iphone-6/272...t-imagine.html
    http://forums.imore.com/iphone-6/272...want-wait.html
    02-20-2014 05:39 AM
  12. mumfoau's Avatar
    Excellent, well thought out post and I really like the idea of a 4.5" iPhone in the same footprint as the 5/5S!
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    02-20-2014 06:46 AM
  13. njshoregurlz's Avatar
    It's beginning to look like the galaxy phone i HOPE it does NOT happen :-(


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    02-20-2014 07:52 AM
  14. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    Excellent point, Highrisedrifter. I hadn't thought about that.

    It could work by a software tweak where the OS can differentiate wether it's a tap or a swipe as it is on the Android phones with virtual keys. Tap the home button and you're home. Swipe from the home button up and you're in Google now. Worked fine for me.

    The thing is Apple hasn't done touch sensitive surface in stead of a button for a long time. I think some iPods had that. And it's very Samsung-y. So I could still pretty much be wrong but then again there's where thought leads me to.


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    True but it would need to be a good software tweak to differentiate between the initial tap for home and the initial tap that precedes the slide. I've no doubt at all that it can be done but it's more down to training the user at this point I think.

    Thinking about this, if I am in a rush, I do get this issue on my HTC One which doesn't have any physical buttons at all
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    02-20-2014 08:31 AM
  15. EmceeGeek's Avatar
    I have to say, this is a well thought out post. I like seeing member interaction like this!


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    02-20-2014 09:15 AM
  16. jburke82's Avatar
    I have to say, this is a well thought out post. I like seeing member interaction like this!


    Sent from my [Gold] iPhone 5S
    Agreed...this was a very interesting and insighful read!
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    02-20-2014 03:53 PM
  17. Metro1088's Avatar
    The latest rumors point that the crystal sapphire screens would be used for the phablet only while the direct successor of the iPhone (that 4.5" - 4.7" device that will carry the iPhone brand) could still use Gorilla Glass. It makes sense because producing so many front panels for two categories of devices made with a new technology sounds almost impossible. Look at Touch ID, for example. A new technology that is not yet produced on such a large scale and that is why only the iPhone got it. A new phone that would sell in tens of millions and a second device (the phablet for Asian markets) that would also sell in tens of millions - I highly doubt the number sapphire crystal displays would suffice for both categories.

    This leads to the 4.7" iPhone having a home button with Touch ID while my suppositions in this thread could turn out to be the 5.5" plablet. Bu then again - how do you make a 4.7" phone with those thick bezels and not look dated?

    So many pieces, so many clues.
    02-20-2014 04:20 PM
  18. redbeard's Avatar
    So what is your idea exactly?
    02-20-2014 06:49 PM
  19. boovish's Avatar
    No, they would never do anything like this. Especially not making the bezels even smaller. You're just describing some sort of android device
    02-20-2014 09:30 PM
  20. meashishnd's Avatar
    as i read lots of site saying that Apple is working on 2 different sized iphone 1 i s 4.7" & 2 is 5.6"
    02-21-2014 01:45 AM
  21. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    No, they would never do anything like this. Especially not making the bezels even smaller. You're just describing some sort of android device
    I disagree. I think that making the bezels even smaller would allow them to fit a larger phone into a form factor not much bigger than the curret iteration. That surely has to be a win-win for the consumers and Apple. If Apple like to innovate, it would be one of the first phones to sport a very thin or 'bezelless' design and could really set them apart from a lot of other phones. I don't know of any Android devices that have super-thin or non-existent bezels, especially amongst the top tier devices. I could be wrong though as I haven't delved into it much but in all honesty, with such a design feature I would have thought that if anyone had done it, they would be shouting it from the rooftops.

    Of course, I fully understand and appreciate that we are both talking nothing more than pure conjecture here. Who knows what the future will bring?
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    02-21-2014 04:39 AM
  22. Septembersrain's Avatar
    I disagree. I think that making the bezels even smaller would allow them to fit a larger phone into a form factor not much bigger than the curret iteration. That surely has to be a win-win for the consumers and Apple. If Apple like to innovate, it would be one of the first phones to sport a very thin or 'bezelless' design and could really set them apart from a lot of other phones. I don't know of any Android devices that have super-thin or non-existent bezels, especially amongst the top tier devices. I could be wrong though as I haven't delved into it much but in all honesty, with such a design feature I would have thought that if anyone had done it, they would be shouting it from the rooftops.

    Of course, I fully understand and appreciate that we are both talking nothing more than pure conjecture here. Who knows what the future will bring?
    I agree, I do think there is just enough extra bezel that they could cut it down a tad. I think they should go with nothing larger than 4.5 on one of the variants though. Keep to their usual .5 sizes. A 4.5 and 5.5 would please the masses I think. I'm just hoping they don't make the smaller variant inferior though...
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    02-21-2014 07:40 AM
  23. rayz336's Avatar
    The single most mysterious aspect of the upcoming iPhone for most of us seems to be how it's going to look. The Internet right now is full of concepts and renders of artists' impressions. But not a single one of them looks plausible to me. Apple wouldn't release an iPhone with asymmetrical bezels on top and the bottom. At the same time releasing a phone with the same bezels as the iPhone 5s but with a 4.5" or 4.7" screen would be a suicide. Apple is certainly going to "cut" some bezels and I tried to take a guess at how it's going to turn out.

    Take a look at the back of the current iPhone:

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    Imagine the same image with a display in the place of the metal plate.

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    But what about the home button with Touch ID, you ask?

    The bezels need to shrink, I don't doubt that. And the home button might need to go and become a touch sensitive area under the screen. This is where all the rumors and facts about sapphire crystal front panels begin to make sense. Apple doesn't need to ditch Gorilla Glass as it's good enough these days. The only really compelling reason to switch to sapphire crystal seems to be implementing the Touch ID under the entire front glass panel. Not as a circle in the home button but as a sensitive area right under the screen and below the glass. Remember that podcast with Rene when he mentioned rumors that Apple would try to implement Touch ID directly under the display? I think we're not too close to that yet but Apple is definitely working on bringing Touch ID under the glass panel.

    Right now on the back of the iPhone 5/5s the metal plate is 4.5" diagonally. For a 4.7" the entire phone needs to get slightly larger. Whatever the screen size, this is the only option that makes sense to me. Of all the renders I've seen, some of which done with great talent and resources, I think just taking the back of the iPhone 5 and going from there seems most plausible. Bezels need to shrink and shrink symmetrically. As a result the home button needs to become a touch sensitive area together with the Touch ID and this is where the sapphire crystal comes. It all makes sense to me.

    Before you reply to this post, please have a look at the back of your iPhone 5 or 5s. Hold it, think about the proportions, does it look plausible for you? Does it look like something Apple would do? Does it still retain the iconic iPhone silhouette that is so obviously missing from most of the renders out there?

    What do you think? I'd like to read your take on this idea of mine.
    It looks plausible and this is probably one of the better thoughts in my opinion
    Last edited by rayz336; 02-28-2014 at 09:54 AM.
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    02-21-2014 08:03 AM
  24. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    I I'm just hoping they don't make the smaller variant inferior though...
    I hope not too. My HTC One screen size at 4.7" is just on the slightly larger side of what I want. The Note 3 I have is just silly; I can't wait to get rid of it. If the 4.5, or whatever they decide to go with, is just as powerful as the larger device then I will be all over that.
    02-21-2014 10:07 AM
  25. Spencerdl's Avatar
    Nice post OP and well thought out. GREAT job...you have me believing it could happen just like this....SMILE
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    02-21-2014 10:18 AM
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