1. grover5's Avatar
    Ah. I see how it would be reinforcing to an iPhone hater.




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    Lol. Seriously? Yes of course. Saying the only way to really know is to see the numbers clearly comes from a place of hate.

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    06-17-2015 10:17 AM
  2. grover5's Avatar
    Ah. I see how it would be reinforcing to an iPhone hater.

    By the way, have you seen any numbers of how many BlackBerry 99xx devices bricked?


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    I have no idea. I don't use BB. How is that pertinent? Why do you always talk about BB?

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    06-17-2015 10:19 AM
  3. grover5's Avatar
    Don't know about the bending issue since I'm a brand spanking new 6+/apple user. But.... With that said, when I bought my 6 a couple days ago, I decided then that I would need some kind of case for it's protection. I hated the OtterBox cases for their sheer bulkyness!!
    I had a Verizon case/belt clip on my Droid phone, you know, the one that is black, has a kick stand and has a diamond texture on the back side and is relatively thin.
    Verizon stores sell the same model for the Iphones (I don't know if it has a name, Verizon just calls it a shell/holster combo) and is even better designed for the 6+. It's quite rigid, and thin so adds very little bulk to the phone. Slides into it's belt clip holder quite nicely!! I love it and it will keep the phone well protected.
    I also had a glass front added yesterday to protect the screen.
    Sounds like a good set up. Hopefully it protects your new iPhone well.

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    06-17-2015 10:20 AM
  4. qbnkelt's Avatar
    I have no idea. I don't use BB. How is that pertinent? Why do you always talk about BB?

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    Because I experienced three bricking BlackBerry devices and I got absolutely no explanation from BlackBerry about it, just had to go back to get a new device....one after the other, which would brick.

    So......glass houses and all.....my mistake....you must have sold your Q5 on TMobile.
    06-17-2015 10:22 AM
  5. grover5's Avatar
    Because I experienced three bricking BlackBerry devices and I got absolutely no explanation from BlackBerry about it, just had to go back to get a new device....one after the other, which would brick.

    So......glass houses and all.....
    Once again as a person who doesn't use BB I'm not sure why this matters. I suppose if a BB rep or user came on here and said the iPhones all bend all the time it might be a good response to them. But as a non BB user saying the only way to know is to see the numbers it doesn't make sense at all really.

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    06-17-2015 10:26 AM
  6. grover5's Avatar
    Because I experienced three bricking BlackBerry devices and I got absolutely no explanation from BlackBerry about it, just had to go back to get a new device....one after the other, which would brick.

    So......glass houses and all.....my mistake....you must have sold your Q5 on TMobile.
    I had a Q5 and a Z10 and a lumia (I forget which one now) and an iPad mini and an iPad air and a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 6. I like gadgets. This list is for the last couple years only. I really want to try a sailfish phone but I want the next gen one to come out first.

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    06-17-2015 10:30 AM
  7. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Once again as a person who doesn't use BB I'm not sure why this matters. I suppose if a BB rep or user came on here and said the iPhones all bend all the time it might be a good response to them. But as a non BB user saying the only way to know is to see the numbers it doesn't make sense at all really.

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    It matters because it is disingenuous and an apologist stand to harp on not getting numbers from Apple when other companies get a pass when they themselves don't provide information. So it is illogical and disingenuous to complain about Apple not providing numbers when BlackBerry did not provide numbers. And I'm mentioning BlackBerry to you because as of earlier this year you were using a Z10 and a Q5, as I remember.
    06-17-2015 10:41 AM
  8. qbnkelt's Avatar
    I had a Q5 and a Z10 and a lumia (I forget which one now) and an iPad mini and an iPad air and a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 6. I like gadgets. This list is for the last couple years only. I really want to try a sailfish phone but I want the next gen one to come out first.

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    Well I am not going to get into my list of devices. I currently use four of the major platforms and also used Palm in the past. So that's five.
    06-17-2015 10:43 AM
  9. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    The only way any of us could know is to see the actual numbers.
    I don't need to know the actual number of grains of sand to know if I'm at the beach or not ...
    Likewise I don't need any numbers to realize that a few idiots sitting on their all aluminum bodied iPhones and bending them, gave the media a perfect scenario to latch onto and milk it for what it was worth. Which they did, and now it's over.
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    06-17-2015 10:44 AM
  10. grover5's Avatar
    It matters because it is disingenuous and an apologist stand to harp on not getting numbers from Apple when other companies get a pass when they themselves don't provide information. So it is illogical and disingenuous to complain about Apple not providing numbers when BlackBerry did not provide numbers. And I'm mentioning BlackBerry to you because as of earlier this year you were using a Z10 and a Q5, as I remember.
    I never once complained about getting numbers. I simply said the only way to know is to get numbers. I have no position on whether or not they should be provided. I was also using a Nexus 5 and iPad mini at the same time as well as a Z10 and Q5. But that has little to do with my seeking data before drawing a conclusion.

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    06-17-2015 10:45 AM
  11. grover5's Avatar
    I don't need to know the actual number of grains of sand to know if I'm at the beach or not ...
    Likewise I don't need any numbers to realize that a few idiots sitting on their all aluminum bodied iPhones and bending them, gave the media a perfect scenario to latch onto and milk it for what it was worth. Which they did, and now it's over.
    You are the analogy king for the day. I think you should believe what you want to believe. I just stated what in most circles would not be controversial. That is let's see the data...then we will know if it was overblown or not.

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    06-17-2015 10:48 AM
  12. qbnkelt's Avatar
    I never once complained about getting numbers. I simply said the only way to know is to get numbers. I have no position on whether or not they should be provided.

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    Your position is that the thread is nothing more than fanboism vs skeptics based in the absence of numbers of devices sold.

    My position is that it is disingenuous to refer to those of who dismiss the bendgate issue as fanbois, simply because we dismiss it as nothing more than a troll fest. Especially in view of an absence of hard numbers on another company's less than stellar reaction to devices bricking and nuking.



    There's no way to know if it was overblown without exact numbers of bent vs total sold. This thread just pits the fanboys vs the skeptics.

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    06-17-2015 11:02 AM
  13. qbnkelt's Avatar
    You are the analogy king for the day. I think you should believe what you want to believe. I just stated what in most circles would not be controversial. That is let's see the data...then we will know if it was overblown or not.

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    Back when you were using a BlqckBerry, did you request to see the data on the bricked devices? Did you request to see the data on the rebooting Z10s? If so, did you get it and will you share it? If not, why not?

    Do you use an iPhone now? Given that you've stated that you hate the iPhone I find that unlikely.

    Look, I have no beef with whatever phone you use. But I do have a beef with you representing yourself as the epitome of device agnosticism when you have stated that you hate the iPhone. I would have much more respect for your posts if you owned up to your previous statements that you do hate the iPhone. And if that's the case, one begs the question, often posed in Blackberry sites, why are you here?


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    06-17-2015 11:10 AM
  14. grover5's Avatar
    Your position is that the thread is nothing more than fanboism vs skeptics based in the absence of numbers of devices sold.

    My position is that it is disingenuous to refer to those of who dismiss the bendgate issue as fanbois, simply because we dismiss it as nothing more than a troll fest. Especially in view of an absence of hard numbers on another company's less than stellar reaction to devices bricking and nuking.









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    Yes I do think this sort of thread is created to pit fanboys vs skeptics. We don't have numbers and that is why the ambiguity of the post sets up perfectly for such a debate.

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    06-17-2015 11:10 AM
  15. grover5's Avatar
    Back when you were using a BlqckBerry, did you request to see the data on the bricked devices? Did you request to see the data on the rebooting Z10s? If so, did you get it and will you share it? If not, why not?

    Do you use an iPhone now? Given that you've stated that you hate the iPhone I find that unlikely.

    Look, I have no beef with whatever phone you use. But I do have a beef with you representing yourself as the epitome of device agnosticism when you have stated that you hate the iPhone. I would have much more respect for your posts if you owned up to your previous statements that you do hate the iPhone. And if that's the case, one begs the question, often posed in Blackberry sites, why are you here?


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    My Z10 rebooted a lot and I had three die on me. It was not a well made phone. I have hated the iPhone in the past and found value in the iPad. I hate the iPhone most when my daughters iPhone is acting up. I am agnostic for devices. They all tick me off and make me happy at times. My statement was simple. The best way to know is to see the data. Otherwise it is an ambiguous thread that will simply create another opportunity for fanboys and skeptics to argue.

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    06-17-2015 11:14 AM
  16. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Yes I do think this sort of thread is created to pit fanboys vs skeptics. We don't have numbers and that is why the ambiguity of the post sets up perfectly for such a debate.

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    OK. So for the sake of removing ambiguity and for the sake of clarity, have you got numbers to back up the position that this is not a blown up issue?

    The issue was reported shortly after the device sold. Since the device went on sale, have you been able to find numbers of returned devices? Apple satisfaction is in the 80%. One could reasonably deduce that someone whose devices bend would not be happy, causing the percentage to be lower. In addition, since the posts on YouTube and various antiApple sites, literally tens of mlions of devices were sold. If the number of bent devices were high, given that the media was all over it, is it reasonable to expect people to have bough those devices?


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    06-17-2015 11:15 AM
  17. qbnkelt's Avatar
    My Z10 rebooted a lot and I had three die on me. It was not a well made phone. I have hated the iPhone in the past and found value in the iPad. I hate the iPhone most when my daughters iPhone is acting up. I am agnostic for devices. They all tick me off and make me happy at times. My statement was simple. The best way to know is to see the data. Otherwise it is an ambiguous thread that will simply create another opportunity for fanboys and skeptics to argue.

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    OK so you hate the iPhone. Therefore you have less than a dispassionate reason for being in this thread. Additionally, you are not a neutral bystander in the argument.

    OK. Thank you for the clarity. I appreciate it. I'm on my way elsewhere.


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    06-17-2015 11:17 AM
  18. grover5's Avatar
    OK. So for the sake of removing ambiguity and for the sake of clarity, have you got numbers to back up the position that this is not a blown up issue?

    The issue was reported shortly after the device sold. Since the device went on sale, have you been able to find numbers of returned devices? Apple satisfaction is in the 80%. One could reasonably deduce that someone whose devices bend would not be happy, causing the percentage to be lower. In addition, since the posts on YouTube and various antiApple sites, literally tens of mlions of devices were sold. If the number of bent devices were high, given that the media was all over it, is it reasonable to expect people to have bough those devices?


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    The 80% rate and the high number of sales are good points. They could either be illustrating it isn't happening as much or that people don't care when it does happen. It would be difficult to say for sure but I like those numbers more than anecdotal evidence.

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    06-17-2015 11:20 AM
  19. grover5's Avatar
    OK so you hate the iPhone. Therefore you have less than a dispassionate reason for being in this thread. Additionally, you are not a neutral bystander in the argument.

    OK. Thank you for the clarity. I appreciate it. I'm on my way elsewhere.


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    Hate is probably too strong a word. I probably should have said it frustrates me when it has issues. But I guess all the phones do. I am fine with you moving on. I have no interest in conversing with someone who doesn't want to converse with me. Enjoy your time elsewhere.

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    06-17-2015 11:26 AM
  20. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    You are the analogy king for the day. I think you should believe what you want to believe. I just stated what in most circles would not be controversial. That is let's see the data...then we will know if it was overblown or not.

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    I believe you think you're smarter than you really are.
    Let's see ... if you sit on the hood of your brand new car and dent it, people will point and call you an *****. At the end of the day though, it was your fault not the maker of your vehicle.
    Now sit on your brand new iPhone and bend it, weeeell the media then treats you like some kind of hero for discovering this unheard of flaw that Apple carelessly designed into their latest phone.
    I feel when approaching a conundrum such as this "Was Bend Gate really overblown" from the proper perspective. It's rather easy too see that "Yes, Bend Gate was overblown" without the need for any numbers, or arguing on the internet what soever ...
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    06-17-2015 11:27 AM
  21. grover5's Avatar
    I believe you think you're smarter than you really are.
    Let's see ... if you sit on the hood of your brand new car and dent it, people will point and call you an *****. At the end of the day though, it was your fault not the maker of your vehicle.
    Now sit on your brand new iPhone and bend it, weeeell the media then treats you like some kind of hero for discovering this unheard of flaw that Apple carelessly designed into their latest phone.
    I feel when approaching a conundrum such as this "Was Bend Gate really overblown" from the proper perspective. It's rather easy too see that "Yes, Bend Gate was overblown" without the need for any numbers, or arguing on the internet what soever ...
    I'm sure you do believe that. And like I said you are certainly allowed your opinion just like everyone else. No eye roll needed.

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    06-17-2015 11:32 AM
  22. diggity's Avatar
    You are the analogy king for the day. I think you should believe what you want to believe. I just stated what in most circles would not be controversial. That is let's see the data...then we will know if it was overblown or not.

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    For what it's worth, I agree with you. Nobody but Apple really knows how serious this problem is/was. If the unverified stories about the 6s frame being beefed up a bit turn out to be true, then maybe it was a pretty big deal for them. Was the story about it overblown? Maybe/maybe not. To be honest, I personally don't care since it hasn't affected me (yet?). My 6 hasn't bent during my several months of ordinary daily use, but my experience doesn't discount other people's experiences. I don't understand why people here and elsewhere feel the need to argue about petty things such as this. It's not like any of us actually designed the thing. If somebody's iPhone bends, I see no reason for myself to take it personally. And I also don't take offense to anti Apple discussions about the subject. It doesn't detract from my satisfaction with the iPhone 6, which I have to say I am very satisfied.

    Anyway, that's my take on it.
    06-17-2015 11:33 AM
  23. grover5's Avatar
    For what it's worth, I agree with you. Nobody but Apple really knows how serious this problem is/was. If the unverified stories about the 6s frame being beefed up a bit turn out to be true, then maybe it was a pretty big deal for them. Was the story about it overblown? Maybe/maybe not. To be honest, I personally don't care since it hasn't affected me (yet?). My 6 hasn't bent during my several months of ordinary daily use, but my experience doesn't discount other people's experiences. I don't understand why people here and elsewhere feel the need to argue about petty things such as this. It's not like any of us actually designed the thing. If somebody's iPhone bends, I see no reason for myself to take it personally. And I also don't take offense to anti Apple discussions about the subject. It doesn't detract from my satisfaction with the iPhone 6, which I have to say I am very satisfied.

    Anyway, that's my take on it.
    Thanks for the reply. Most iPhone users I know are very happy with their devices. That isn't something I can say for many other vendors.

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    06-17-2015 11:45 AM
  24. HankAZ's Avatar
    Fans of Apple products on an Apple site?!!? Mon Dieu!!!!!

    Here's a thing......I've got an iPhone 6. It's not bent. I've got a Quasimodo. It had the screen flickering and a massively awful camera. If I say my iPhone 6 is perfect and my Quasimodo has a seriously bad camera and I had to load a leak to fix the screen flickering like a dying 1950s TV set, is that fact or is that fanboism?

    Oh forgot to mention, I routinely roll over my iPhone and wake up laying on it. It's not bent. It that fanboism? Or is it fact?

    You want to know what is fanboism? People's weight being called into question when someone mentions a bent Quasimodo. People being accused of putting a Quasimodo in a vise when they mention a bent Quasimodo. People being called liars when they mention a Quasimodo screen lifting.

    THAT is fanboism. Me mentioning my iPhone isn't bent is fact. Of the millions upon millions of iPhones sold, the fact that we've got a handful of trolls posting about it on antiApple websites and then coming into Apple sites amplifying an event of their own creation is trolling.


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    Lil, you're working too hard on this. The trolls are not worth it. Save your blood pressure, my dear!
    06-17-2015 11:49 AM
  25. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    I'm sure you do believe that. And like I said you are certainly allowed your opinion just like everyone else. No eye roll needed.
    Spoken like someone who likes to argue for the sake of arguing ...
    06-17-2015 12:05 PM
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