1. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Maybe this will help from Apple themselves:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201402
    Maybe I'm just too ignorant like my Wife always tells me. But I understand them to say on a 32 gb iPhone, the "capacity" is in fact 32 gb, not 28. It appears to me they were explaining the difference between "capacity" and "available". To say. "it's all there." is confusing. Yes, it is all there. All 32 gb. But all 32 gb is not available for the user to use. Only about 28 gb is available for use. If I'm wrong, then I need an Apple Support site for dummies. Thanks for your input.


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    03-23-2015 11:34 AM
  2. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    I get why they do it in a sense, but it would be just as easy and less deceitful to build in a overhead for the OS. For example a 128gb iPhone would have a 145GB drive with an actual 128GB of user storage ... Some things are just that simple ...
    03-23-2015 11:38 AM
  3. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    And why should I return it ? .....


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    Because you seem like the alter-ego of Ravensword.
    03-23-2015 12:02 PM
  4. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I get why they do it in a sense, but it would be just as easy and less deceitful to build in a overhead for the OS. For example a 128gb iPhone would have a 145GB drive with an actual 128GB of user storage ... Some things are just that simple ...
    $2.99 for a jar of peanut butter could easily be $3 too. But, yeah, you'd think they could make them all the same and advertise what you actually get for use. Either like you said or be upfront about what you actually get. In their ad., they should say, "Get 113.4 gb with this 128 gb iPhone 6.".


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    03-23-2015 12:06 PM
  5. iEd's Avatar
    I don't see usable disk space as being advertisement.
    Whatever it takes to format a disk is what it is.
    There must be a reason why disk space doubles in increments 16-32-64-128-256. As oppose to say 16 to 38.
    I'm not sure who makes the drives for the iPhone but it's a universal thing meaning I don't see a company making a 74 gig drive to account for 10 gig of the OS to give the user 64. But what if the OS and what it takes to format a drive is 11 gig next year. Do you make the drive 75 gig to still give the user 64.
    I just don't see it as being deceitful. Every drive I've owned follows the rule that after formatting the drive will have less user available space.
    A user has to estimate they amount of space they need the user has to do the "leg work" of determining that. Their are set guidelines for digital storage space and the user has to work within those guidelines. Figure out what you need 16-64-128 and call it a day.



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    03-23-2015 01:27 PM
  6. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Hard drive space has been advertised this way since hard drives first appeared (it's entirely likely tape based storage does this as well, but I don't know). The advertised space is always given in Base10 (1KB = 1000 bytes). But computers don't work in decimal, they work in Base2 (binary). So a computer will see 1KB as 1024 bytes.
    If you're going to complain about this with an iPhone, you also need to complain about every computing device you've ever owned that had any sort of permanent storage-all smartphones, iPods and other music devices, Windows, Linux, and OS X based PCs and laptops, smart watches, etc.
    Space before OS is installed:
    16GB (decimal) is 14.9 (binary)
    32GB -> 29.8
    64GB -> 59.6
    128GB -> 119.2
    256GB -> 238.4
    512GB -> 476.8
    1TB -> 931.3
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    03-23-2015 01:55 PM
  7. iEd's Avatar
    Hard drive space has been advertised this way since hard drives first appeared (it's entirely likely tape based storage does this as well, but I don't know). The advertised space is always given in Base10 (1KB = 1000 bytes). But computers don't work in decimal, they work in Base2 (binary). So a computer will see 1KB as 1024 bytes.
    If you're going to complain about this with an iPhone, you also need to complain about every computing device you've ever owned that had any sort of permanent storage-all smartphones, iPods and other music devices, Windows, Linux, and OS X based PCs and laptops, smart watches, etc.
    Space before OS is installed:
    16GB (decimal) is 14.9 (binary)
    32GB -> 29.8
    64GB -> 59.6
    128GB -> 119.2
    256GB -> 238.4
    512GB -> 476.8
    1TB -> 931.3
    Amen.


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    03-23-2015 01:57 PM
  8. Closingracer's Avatar
    I get why they do it in a sense, but it would be just as easy and less deceitful to build in a overhead for the OS. For example a 128gb iPhone would have a 145GB drive with an actual 128GB of user storage ... Some things are just that simple ...
    My friends iPhone 6 is the 16gb model and he only has 8.8gb of space available and that's around the same size capacity as the Samsung Galaxy S4 had and people had plenty of issues with Samsung over that. With Samsung up until recently at least you had a micro sd card slot so I could save my movies and music all on that. I understand it's the capacity they are telling us before they add the OS and etc but I would like if they actually give us the capacity free to the users or make sure we get 16gb of space that we can use like adding say 20Gb of memory so the phone would have 16gb of usable space. Just checked my iPad and it's capacity is 114gb.


    I don't really have an issue with space yet on my phone and soon with my iPad and wouldn't be a big deal but "other" takes up quite a lot of space. Luckily so far my iPad Air 2 only has around 2-5 gb to other and like 1GB with my phone


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    03-23-2015 01:58 PM
  9. iEd's Avatar
    My friends iPhone 6 is the 16gb model and he only has 8.8gb of space available and that's around the same size capacity as the Samsung Galaxy S4 had and people had plenty of issues with Samsung over that. With Samsung up until recently at least you had a micro sd card slot so I could save my movies and music all on that. I understand it's the capacity they are telling us before they add the OS and etc but I would like if they actually give us the capacity free to the users or make sure we get 16gb of space that we can use like adding say 20Gb of memory so the phone would have 16gb of usable space. Just checked my iPad and it's capacity is 114gb.


    I don't really have an issue with space yet on my phone and soon with my iPad and wouldn't be a big deal but "other" takes up quite a lot of space. Luckily so far my iPad Air 2 only has around 2-5 gb to other and like 1GB with my phone


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    They can't give you a capacity that's free to the user because it's going to vary. It could be one thing on a new phone that comes with iOS 8.1 vs one that comes with iOS 8.3
    Again the user has to figure these things out its not difficult. Buy as much storage as you can or gauge what your usage is. Gauge your usage or potential usage.
    Say the great camera in the iPhone 6/Plus may push a user to take more pics and vids than their previous phone. The user has to take that into consideration when choosing the storage options.
    Again the user has to do the leg work.




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    03-23-2015 02:31 PM
  10. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    I just don't see it as being deceitful. Every drive I've owned follows the rule that after formatting the drive will have less user available space.
    A user has to estimate they amount of space they need the user has to do the "leg work" of determining that. Their are set guidelines for digital storage space and the user has to work within those guidelines. Figure out what you need 16-64-128 and call it a day.

    It most certainly is deceitful. Always has been, and until it's changed , it always will be. There should be no "leg work" involved. When a car has a 16 gallon gas tank I expect it to hold 16 gallons, anything different is not 16 gallons
    It's not that I don't understand how capacity is measured in hard drives, it's how that capacity is still sold in this day and age...
    03-23-2015 04:03 PM
  11. iEd's Avatar
    It most certainly is deceitful. Always has been, and until it's changed , it always will be. There should be no "leg work" involved. When a car has a 16 gallon gas tank I expect it to hold 16 gallons, anything different is not 16 gallons
    It's not that I don't understand how capacity is measured in hard drives, it's how that capacity is still sold in this day and age...
    Send feedback to all the makers of hard drives and you may have your wish. Until then calculate what amount of storage you may need based on how drives are formatted.


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    03-23-2015 04:52 PM
  12. kch50428's Avatar
    It most certainly is deceitful. Always has been, and until it's changed , it always will be. There should be no "leg work" involved.
    Apple makes it known that space after iOS is installed clearly less than the advertised total capacity on the phones... Apple - iPhone - Compare Models -- see where it says "Capacity and price"?? With the superscript "1" to refer to the footnote at the bottom where it plainly says, "1GB = 1 billion bytes; actual formatted capacity less." -- Apple says this not just here, but even on the back of my iPhone6's box. There is no deceit on Apple's part. There is ample ignorance on the consumer's part when they fail to note what's available in plain sight from multiple places.
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    03-23-2015 05:04 PM
  13. Closingracer's Avatar
    They can't give you a capacity that's free to the user because it's going to vary. It could be one thing on a new phone that comes with iOS 8.1 vs one that comes with iOS 8.3
    Again the user has to figure these things out its not difficult. Buy as much storage as you can or gauge what your usage is. Gauge your usage or potential usage.
    Say the great camera in the iPhone 6/Plus may push a user to take more pics and vids than their previous phone. The user has to take that into consideration when choosing the storage options.
    Again the user has to do the leg work.




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    I understand why they can't but at the same time they could at least try not to take 50% of the capacity for the OS or give the user more space by erasing the 16GB model and replacing it with the 32gb but that would cut into Apple margins so they won't. I like how Samsung got rid of it and now both of their flagship models are at least 32Gb. note 4 only comes in 32GB and the s6 minimum is 32


    I would of bought the 128GB since it's only $5 dollars more to lease the 6 plus in 128 over 64 on sprint. $35 per month for the 128 and $30 per month for he 64


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    03-23-2015 05:30 PM
  14. Closingracer's Avatar
    Send feedback to all the makers of hard drives and you may have your wish. Until then calculate what amount of storage you may need based on how drives are formatted.


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    One of the things I loved about iOS and stock android over say touchwiz on Samsung devices or etc was the fact the OS didn't take over 50% of the capacity. The S4 space available was around 8gb after you take into effect the OS and Samsung touchwiz ui. I think if they still want to offer the 16gb model they could try to trim it down a bit but it's whatever . Not the model for me personally


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    03-23-2015 05:35 PM
  15. iEd's Avatar
    I understand why they can't but at the same time they could at least try not to take 50% of the capacity for the OS or give the user more space by erasing the 16GB model and replacing it with the 32gb but that would cut into Apple margins so they won't. I like how Samsung got rid of it and now both of their flagship models are at least 32Gb. note 4 only comes in 32GB and the s6 minimum is 32


    I would of bought the 128GB since it's only $5 dollars more to lease the 6 plus in 128 over 64 on sprint. $35 per month for the 128 and $30 per month for he 64


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    Of course a big reason why the 16 exist is to push buyers to the 64 or 128. That's business and that's what they currently offer.
    The reason I have a 64 and not a 128 is because the 64 5S was perfect for me. So based on that experience that's what I got. I had a 16 gig 4S and based on that experience it wasn't enough.
    So I made my decisions based on my experience.




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    03-23-2015 06:38 PM
  16. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    My friends iPhone 6 is the 16gb model and he only has 8.8gb of space available and that's around the same size capacity as the Samsung Galaxy S4 had and people had plenty of issues with Samsung over that. With Samsung up until recently at least you had a micro sd card slot so I could save my movies and music all on that. I understand it's the capacity they are telling us before they add the OS and etc but I would like if they actually give us the capacity free to the users or make sure we get 16gb of space that we can use like adding say 20Gb of memory so the phone would have 16gb of usable space. Just checked my iPad and it's capacity is 114gb.


    I don't really have an issue with space yet on my phone and soon with my iPad and wouldn't be a big deal but "other" takes up quite a lot of space. Luckily so far my iPad Air 2 only has around 2-5 gb to other and like 1GB with my phone


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    I've never heard of a 16 gb iPhone that started at 8.8 gb available. That had to be after he put stuff on his phone.


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    03-23-2015 07:48 PM
  17. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    I've never heard of a 16 gb iPhone that started at 8.8 gb available. That had to be after he put stuff on his phone.


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    Agreed. After formatting it has 14.9GB available. iOS takes around 3-3.3GB. So user usable space should be 11.6-11.9GB.
    03-23-2015 08:05 PM
  18. NexusGirlX's Avatar
    Agreed. After formatting it has 14.9GB available. iOS takes around 3-3.3GB. So user usable space should be 11.6-11.9GB.
    Imagine how we got along with that first iPhone with only 8GB. There was also a 4GB iPhone.
    03-23-2015 08:08 PM
  19. Closingracer's Avatar
    I've never heard of a 16 gb iPhone that started at 8.8 gb available. That had to be after he put stuff on his phone.


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    Edit: It is 12gb. I was reading it wrong and must of thought where it said iOS version or something. Perhaps the space available


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    03-23-2015 10:32 PM
  20. NexusGirlX's Avatar
    Naa It has around 8.8Gb out of the box. Brand new iPhone 6. Says like capacity in settings in about phone capacity is 8.8Gb


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    There is something wrong with that phone then.
    03-23-2015 10:35 PM
  21. Closingracer's Avatar
    There is something wrong with that phone then.
    Yeah ...edited my initial post because it said 12.0... Must of read available or perhaps the iOS version


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    03-23-2015 10:36 PM
  22. shanghaichica's Avatar
    I've got 113 GB available on my 128 GB 6 plus and 114 GB available on my 128 GB iPad Air 2 and iPad mini 3.
    03-25-2015 05:54 AM
  23. ctt1wbw's Avatar
    Can we lock this thread? The horse is almost dead.
    03-25-2015 06:12 AM
  24. WP7Nettwerk's Avatar
    Calculate 1Gb = 1024Mb
    Next part is how much is OS reserved space? I dunno does apple reserve space for updates. (Every update goes crazy from 500Mb - 2Gb)


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    03-25-2015 09:46 AM
  25. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Calculate 1Gb = 1024Mb
    Next part is how much is OS reserved space? I dunno does apple reserve space for updates. (Every update goes crazy from 500Mb - 2Gb)


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    They're supposed to have fixed that. I don't think it takes as much space now to update OTA. But it's been the major updates mostly. Like 8.0. The later incremental updates didn't take as much.


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    03-25-2015 03:43 PM
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