1. gravage's Avatar
    Hi,

    I had an iPhone 5s, which I sold a while back and now have a 6 Plus on the way. On the 5s, I seem to remember Touch ID as an "all or nothing" thing. Once turned on, passcode lock was automatically on. You couldn't just use it for App store verification.

    I'm wondering if it will be the same with the new Apple Pay system. I have zero interest in having to unlock my phone (with a passcode or fingerprint) each time I use it. I just want to turn it on and go, but I would like to be able to use the payment option and I'm wondering if this will be possible.

    Does anyone know if it's still going to be "all or nothing"? Like, once you set up a fingerprint, it will always be required to unlock the phone?

    Before anyone chimes in with "why wouldn't you secure your phone blah blah?" I have never used a passcode lock and never needed to. And I really don't see why you shouldn't be able to use Touch ID without the requirement of using it to unlock your phone as well.

    Thanks in advance for any insight.
    09-12-2014 02:52 PM
  2. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You don't have to have fingerprint lock on to use fingerprints in iTunes or the App store, so my guess is Apply Pay will work similarly as the latter two have their own on/off toggle, and I'd guess Apple Pay will also have its own.
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    09-12-2014 02:54 PM
  3. gravage's Avatar
    You don't have to have fingerprint lock on to use fingerprints in iTunes or the App store, so my guess is Apply Pay will work similarly as the latter two have their own on/off toggle, and I'd guess Apple Pay will also have its own.
    Did this change recently? I distinctly remember trying to set it up just to use it for App Store and there was no way not to have it set to unlock my phone as well. That's awesome if they came around and changed it, but knowing Apple, I wouldn't expect it.
    09-12-2014 02:56 PM
  4. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    As far as I know it's always been there...here's a screen shot of the toggles if you don't believe it...

    Touch ID for payments only-img_4676.png
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    09-12-2014 03:00 PM
  5. gravage's Avatar
    Wow. Maybe I just missed it the first time around. Thanks, dude! Makes me feel a lot better about my purchase.
    09-12-2014 03:03 PM
  6. Ariel Babalao's Avatar
    The reason why there is a pass code beside the finger print is because your finger print can fail to unlock your device, due to unclear finger print lines, or so many other reasons. At the other side the Touch ID being an electronic thing can come to fail to scan your finger print, when those situations araise, you have an alternative which is to input your pass code to unlock your device. Basically it's mostly because of convenience than because of security that the pass code is setup beside finger print.
    As for paying things with apple pay, it should be as easy as you want according to what they showed. You just pull out your phone from your pocket, point the phone head (upper edge) while having your finger on the Touch ID to the cashier apple pay scanner and voila, you are good to go with your purchase. Easy easy and very convenient.


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    09-12-2014 03:10 PM
  7. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    The reason why there is a pass code beside the finger print is because your finger print can fail to unlock your device, due to unclear finger print lines, or so many other reasons. At the other side the Touch ID being an electronic thing can come to fail to scan your finger print, when those situations araise, you have an alternative which is to input your pass code to unlock your device. Basically it's mostly because of convenience than because of security that the pass code is setup beside finger print.
    As for paying things with apple pay, it should be as easy as you want according to what they showed. You just pull out your phone from your pocket, point the phone head (upper edge) while having your finger on the Touch ID to the cashier apple pay scanner and voila, you are good to go with your purchase. Easy easy and very convenient.


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    Did you bother reading the OP's actual question? Or did you just respond randomly?
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    09-12-2014 03:13 PM
  8. gravage's Avatar
    Did you bother reading the OP's actual question? Or did you just respond randomly?
    Haha. You beat me to it! I actually figured the very first reply would be something like this.
    09-12-2014 03:15 PM
  9. Ariel Babalao's Avatar
    Did you bother reading the OP's actual question? Or did you just respond randomly?
    Did you read his question and read my post? Or did you just randomly respond to my post?


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    09-12-2014 03:19 PM
  10. gravage's Avatar
    Did you read his question and read my post? Or did you just randomly respond to my post?


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    You seem to be the one who's confused here because he answered my question exactly and you went off on some rant about something I don't care about. All I wanted to know was if you could use Touch ID for purchases without the requirement of using it to unlock the phone.
    09-12-2014 03:23 PM
  11. Ariel Babalao's Avatar
    Haha. You beat me to it! I actually figured the very first reply would be something like this.
    You can always go ahead and quote me I will answer your concern.


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    09-12-2014 03:23 PM
  12. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Did you read his question and read my post? Or did you just randomly respond to my post?


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    You are making zero sense. Your response was in no way relevant to the question he posed...and was a random retort, at best, in relation to what he was asking.
    09-12-2014 03:24 PM
  13. gravage's Avatar
    You can always go ahead and quote me I will answer your concern.


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    From what I've seen, you couldn't even answer your own door.
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    09-12-2014 03:25 PM
  14. Ariel Babalao's Avatar
    From what I've seen, you couldn't even answer your own door.
    What you are wanting to do is to use the Touch ID to apple pay, but the thing is as you enable Touch ID, the lock screen pass code is added immediately so what you are actually wanting is not doable right? We all get that and the guy posting before my first post pointed it out.
    Now, I went ahead telling the good of having a pass code beside the Touch ID even if your first use of it is to apple pay, but you will still have the pass code enable on your device.
    The good thing is that while apple paying, you will not need to unlock the device but simply place your finger on the Touch ID. Way to say, if you want the Touch ID for apple pay, you will have pass code on your screen, but at least since it's about apple pay, you won't be unlocking the device before doing apple pay.
    Now, if still not acceptable for you then fine. That's what I was pointing out.


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    09-12-2014 03:44 PM
  15. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    And he's rambling again...
    09-12-2014 03:46 PM
  16. Ariel Babalao's Avatar
    And he's rambling again...
    You seem to be mad or getting mad at my post and seem to be enjoying it.


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    09-12-2014 03:51 PM
  17. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You seem to be mad or getting mad at my post and seem to be enjoying it.


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    I'm not mad at all...it's just really odd to see you randomly responding and then arguing that you were answering his question (which you were not). I'm kind of just sitting here doing this...

    09-12-2014 04:04 PM
  18. Ariel Babalao's Avatar
    I'm not mad at all...it's just really odd to see you randomly responding and then arguing that you were answering his question (which you were not). I'm kind of just sitting here doing this...

    http://confessionsofabookgeek.files....hfp1ry4qim.gif
    Glad you are not mad at a post I posted. Sorry if you didn't pick up my point in that post and sorry for you if you still not getting it. Let's move on.


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    09-12-2014 04:13 PM
  19. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    Wow. Maybe I just missed it the first time around. Thanks, dude! Makes me feel a lot better about my purchase.
    Yes it was definitely there from the beginning. I use it and think it's great. It's one of the major reasons why I don't need to jailbreak my phone any more. Definitely can't wait to use it for Apple Pay, it's just not in the UK until next year though.
    09-12-2014 04:13 PM
  20. jihart33's Avatar
    You don't have to have fingerprint lock on to use fingerprints in iTunes or the App store, so my guess is Apply Pay will work similarly as the latter two have their own on/off toggle, and I'd guess Apple Pay will also have its own.
    This is great to know
    09-12-2014 04:15 PM
  21. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Glad you are not mad at a post I posted. Sorry if you didn't pick up my point in that post and sorry for you if you still not getting it. Let's move on.


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    Oh I understood what you posted just fine, I was just confused how you thought it was relevant to his question...but feel free to keep moving.
    09-12-2014 04:16 PM
  22. Highrisedrifter's Avatar
    Glad you are not mad at a post I posted. Sorry if you didn't pick up my point in that post and sorry for you if you still not getting it. Let's move on.
    Yeah, that's a red rag to a bull right there. You might want to edit that and be a bit nicer, it won't go well for you.
    09-12-2014 04:18 PM
  23. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    What Sean said is correct. You can have your fingerprint setup right now to only use for App Store purchases and not have to have fingerprint unlock enabled.

    But, if I'm understanding correctly, are you saying you don't even want to have a passcode setup to unlock the phone? The only way you will be able to setup fingerprints for anything would be having a passcode enabled.

    For example, I just completely removed my passcode and turned off fingerprints. I then enabled only app store fingerprint and it asked me to setup a passcode again. Even with the phone unlock toggled off, sliding to unlock requires you still to use your passcode to get in.

    Bottom line: You'll probably be able to use the fingerprint for only Apple Pay, but there isn't going to be a way around sliding to unlock without a passcode.
    09-12-2014 04:18 PM
  24. Ariel Babalao's Avatar
    Yeah, that's a red rag to a bull right there. You might want to edit that and be a bit nicer, it won't go well for you.
    What exactly in that post you don't like and need to be edited for your liking so it goes well for me? Highlight it sir.


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    09-12-2014 04:26 PM
  25. Ariel Babalao's Avatar
    What Sean said is correct. You can have your fingerprint setup right now to only use for App Store purchases and not have to have fingerprint unlock enabled.

    But, if I'm understanding correctly, are you saying you don't even want to have a passcode setup to unlock the phone? The only way you will be able to setup fingerprints for anything would be having a passcode enabled.

    For example, I just completely removed my passcode and turned off fingerprints. I then enabled only app store fingerprint and it asked me to setup a passcode again. Even with the phone unlock toggled off, sliding to unlock requires you still to use your passcode to get in.

    Bottom line: You'll probably be able to use the fingerprint for only Apple Pay, but there isn't going to be a way around sliding to unlock without a passcode.
    This exactly. Once finger print is enable there is the pass code on the lock screen automatically.
    Finger print to unlock device can be turn off while finger print to purchase in App Store can be on or the other way round. But once anyone of them is enable, pass code is force to be added on lock screen.
    Another way to say, if the OP is against lockscreen pass code, then at least till date no chance to enable finger print.
    And trying to point out the good why pass code force to be on lockscreen when finger print is enable because it's the reason OP turn off finger print he stated but... not a chance.


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    09-12-2014 04:39 PM
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