1. iRiidium's Avatar
    I have no allegiance to android or iOS. IMO (those 3 letters are so easy to type), the 5s is an appropriate upgrade to the 5. Fingerprint scanner represents a significant convenience and I love the camera's quality and slow motion are great. Also, the finish on the space grey is more durable than the black 5, meaning those of you who don't believe in protecting your investment with a case will have a nicer looking phone for longer.


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  2. rayz336's Avatar
    It will be a mega upgrade for me in June when I get to ditch my 4!
    It'll be like night and day!
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    02-21-2014 08:37 AM
  3. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    Let me break it down. The original iPhone was better than anything available when it was released, the 3G is better than the original, the 3GS is better than the 3G, the 4 is better than the 3GS, the 4s is better than the 4, the 5 is better than the 4s, the 5s is better than the 5. How much better is up to you. Now erybody quit being short-sided!


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    02-21-2014 08:58 AM
  4. finn5975's Avatar
    It's short "sighted" not short sided people. *sigh*


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    02-21-2014 09:22 AM
  5. iRiidium's Avatar
    It's short "sighted" not short sided people. *sigh*


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    Amen.


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  6. finn5975's Avatar
    Amen.


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    Lol truth be told I'm the one who got busted on it. I was typing a little too fast, a little too early this morning.

    Speaking up upgrades over previous models, will anyone else be tuning in to see the Galaxy S5 unveiling on Monday?



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    02-21-2014 09:40 AM
  7. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    I think the main issue is that a lot of people only see it as being a "big" upgrade when the form factor significantly changes such as from the 3GS to the 4 and the 4S to the 5. It may be a bigger technical change in some of the 'S' releases but because it is not readily visible to the end user, it is not considered a big change even though it may have been a bigger technical and engineering challenge for Apple on the 'S' release. I, personally, see the changes to the 5S line the 64-bit processor, finger print scanner and the overhaul of iOS 7 itself to be a big deal because I have enough technical knowledge to be impressed by what they accomplished. But the average person who doesn't like the visual changes with iOS 7 and/or doesn't see Facebook or candy crush running faster, may not be impressed because the phone doesn't look different than the 5.

    I personally have been satisfied with the upgrade on each of my iPhones and I've had all of them but the original and the 3GS. Each one has improved in speed, security, photos, etc.
    02-21-2014 09:42 AM
  8. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    Lol truth be told I'm the one who got busted on it. I was typing a little too fast, a little too early this morning.

    Speaking up upgrades over previous models, will anyone else be tuning in to see the Galaxy S5 unveiling on Monday?



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    I'll be watching and reading all week next week. I hope Samsung ups their build quality this year. Their screens are usually very good and they aren't afraid to max the specs (3gb ram on the Note 3) but their overall build quality is weak, IMO. I'll also be paying attention to Nokia. I hope they announce a high end WP phone with a 4.5 - 5 screen. The rumor is the 930 will be that but it's not official yet.


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  9. i7guy's Avatar
    I have seen you say this twice now. Saying the 5s was the biggest iphone upgrade ever is debatable at best. And to say the 6 won't be as big an upgrade means one of two things. Either you have inside information that none of the rest of us at iMore have, or you are assuming based on something or another. I will bet the latter. The finger print reader is the usability improvement of the year "IF" you find it useful. There are others like myself who do not even use it. I never passcode locked my phone in the past and don't find the need to now so the finger print reader is useless in its current state to me. And as far as being short sighted to the bigger picture, people can tout all they want about forward-thinking in regard to this phone, but if the true capabilities of things like touchID and 64bit chips don't unleash themselves until future iphones....then I don't apply their greatness to the 5S.

    That said, I love the 5S. Best phone I have owned. I am not disappointed with it and have no complaints. But for me personally, when I went from the 3S to the 4.....that was a huge upgrade. When I went from 4S to the 5....that was huge upgrade. In this case? I got a finger print scanner I dont use, an M7 chip that doesnt affect my usage, a 64bit chip that also has not impacted use, at least to a great extent, a minor camera upgrade, etc. I bought the 5S because I get every new iphone and because I can. But I personally would have been just as well off keeping my 5.
    1 - See seanhrcc's response above.
    2- There is no debate on that the 5S was the biggest upgrade ever. Just because the "sheet metal" didn't change, doesn't mean there weren't significant changes, inside and out. A change in form factor does not qualify as a "big" update, imo, even if there is slightly more resolution. The 6 will be 64 bit, fingerprint reader, nice camera etc. An increment to the 5S, even if some hardware was updated. So while you may deem a "big" upgrade as a change in form factor, I don't. However, that has little to do with the fact, that between the 5 and 5S, nearly every single aspect aspect of the phone was re-engineered in some way shape or form. And because you don't find a particular feature useful, doesn't mean it's not Oscar worthy. If a cure for cancer was discovered and you never had cancer you may not care either.
    02-21-2014 10:41 AM
  10. finn5975's Avatar
    1 - See seanhrcc's response above.
    2- There is no debate on that the 5S was the biggest upgrade ever. Just because the "sheet metal" didn't change, doesn't mean there weren't significant changes, inside and out. A change in form factor does not qualify as a "big" update, imo, even if there is slightly more resolution. The 6 will be 64 bit, fingerprint reader, nice camera etc. An increment to the 5S, even if some hardware was updated. So while you may deem a "big" upgrade as a change in form factor, I don't. However, that has little to do with the fact, that between the 5 and 5S, nearly every single aspect aspect of the phone was re-engineered in some way shape or form. And because you don't find a particular feature useful, doesn't mean it's not Oscar worthy. If a cure for cancer was discovered and you never had cancer you may not care either.
    Sean's repsonse, while I respect it, doesn't add any more validity to your 'opinion' that this was the greatest upgrade ever. And, for the first time since I have been reading your posts on the matter, you used the key differentiator...'imo'. You see, I was very careful to point out that every bit of my response that you quoted was 'my' experience and 'my' opinion.

    Again, yes, there is plenty of debate as to whether this was the biggest upgrade ever. You can play that off as fact all you want. Newsflash, every new iphone that has come out since the original has improved nearly every single aspect of the phone. Nothing new to see here. You just dispelled my reasons for an upgrade being major because change in form factor is not a big update to you, and then in the very same paragraph state that your reasons 'are' valid even though they may not be useful to me lol. Really? Your little cancer analogy works both ways.
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    02-21-2014 11:56 AM
  11. i7guy's Avatar
    Sean's repsonse, while I respect it, doesn't add any more validity to your 'opinion' that this was the greatest upgrade ever. And, for the first time since I have been reading your posts on the matter, you used the key differentiator...'imo'. You see, I was very careful to point out that every bit of my response that you quoted was 'my' experience and 'my' opinion.

    Again, yes, there is plenty of debate as to whether this was the biggest upgrade ever. You can play that off as fact all you want. Newsflash, every new iphone that has come out since the original has improved nearly every single aspect of the phone. Nothing new to see here. You just dispelled my reasons for an upgrade being major because change in form factor is not a big update to you, and then in the very same paragraph state that your reasons 'are' valid even though they may not be useful to me lol. Really? Your little cancer analogy works both ways.
    The fact I said IMO, an opinion is always IMO and shouldn't have to be stated as such. Sean's example was a reflection of almost every blog in the universe regarding the 5S. It isn't like I said, "the US GNP in the year 2012 was $x.xxx trillion dollars", IMO. The preceeding is a fact, that can be proven or disputed. Just like it is a fact that apple re-engineered most of the hardware and software of the 5S from the 5. Your opinion, because you don't care/understand about this re-engineering is a small incremental improvement. That doesn't take away that apple probably spent a massive amount of money doing this and as we know at this time, plans to use this platform on the iphone 6.

    You can try to dismiss the almost complete re-engineering of the 5S as a non-event because the phone factor didn't change, but it is again, in your opinion, which you are entitled to. However, real world the 5S is not the same phone as the 5 except the user interface looks identical. I would agree the 5C is almost the same phone as the 5. Newflash to use your terminology, the 5S is more than a "small, incremental" improvement. I got it the value of this update in your eyes is nil, but proclaiming this on a public forum doesn't make it so and doesn't take away from what it is and from what (a lot of) others see it as.
    02-21-2014 12:29 PM
  12. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    It's Obamacares fault.


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  13. finn5975's Avatar
    The fact I said IMO, an opinion is always IMO and shouldn't have to be stated as such. Sean's example was a reflection of almost every blog in the universe regarding the 5S. It isn't like I said, "the US GNP in the year 2012 was $x.xxx trillion dollars", IMO. The preceeding is a fact, that can be proven or disputed. Just like it is a fact that apple re-engineered most of the hardware and software of the 5S from the 5. Your opinion, because you don't care/understand about this re-engineering is a small incremental improvement. That doesn't take away that apple probably spent a massive amount of money doing this and as we know at this time, plans to use this platform on the iphone 6.

    You can try to dismiss the almost complete re-engineering of the 5S as a non-event because the phone factor didn't change, but it is again, in your opinion, which you are entitled to. However, real world the 5S is not the same phone as the 5 except the user interface looks identical. I would agree the 5C is almost the same phone as the 5. Newflash to use your terminology, the 5S is more than a "small, incremental" improvement. I got it the value of this update in your eyes is nil, but proclaiming this on a public forum doesn't make it so and doesn't take away from what it is and from what (a lot of) others see it as.
    You are cracking me up. I am going to try and go slowly for you. Check this out:
    "As an outsider with no allegiance, the 5s was the biggest iPhone upgrade ever." "The 5s is the biggest upgrade ever of one iPhone model to the next."
    Perhaps I can bold this for you? You stated this as a fact. In which it is not. You have stated this numerous times....as a fact. Which. It. Is. Not. It is your opinion. What on this earth do you not understand about that?

    So now you are telling me that it is a fact that Apple has re-engineered most of the hardware and software of the 5S from the 5. Well no sh*t? They have only been doing that exact same thing every phone since 2007. Why is this news to you? No one questioned that fact. But to use that as a basis for this being the, as you have stated, biggest iphone upgrade ever is simply silly. It happens, wait for it, every year! But in other years they not only re-engineered most of the hardware and software but they also upgraded the physical properties too.

    My entire issue has been that you are trying to put off your opinion as fact. You have tried turning this around on me, as if I am 'proclaiming on a public forum' that I am right and others are wrong when that so clearly was never my agenda. All I ever said was that your statement of fact that the 5S is the biggest upgrade ever is debatable, and from then on you have come unglued lol.

    Lastly, do not put words in my mouth. I did not once say the value of the update in my eyes was nil. Not once. Do I think it was the greatest ever? Like many others, no, I don't. But we have established that haven't we?

    Save the retort. I have no interest. I have encountered your kind in the forums before and will continue to in the future. If you wish to get the last word in so that you can feel comfortable in your stance then by all means do so as I am finished wasting my time on you.
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    02-21-2014 01:03 PM
  14. i7guy's Avatar
    You are cracking me up. I am going to try and go slowly for you. Check this out:
    "As an outsider with no allegiance, the 5s was the biggest iPhone upgrade ever." "The 5s is the biggest upgrade ever of one iPhone model to the next."
    Perhaps I can bold this for you? You stated this as a fact. In which it is not. You have stated this numerous times....as a fact. Which. It. Is. Not. It is your opinion. What on this earth do you not understand about that?

    So now you are telling me that it is a fact that Apple has re-engineered most of the hardware and software of the 5S from the 5. Well no sh*t? They have only been doing that exact same thing every phone since 2007. Why is this news to you? No one questioned that fact. But to use that as a basis for this being the, as you have stated, biggest iphone upgrade ever is simply silly. It happens, wait for it, every year! But in other years they not only re-engineered most of the hardware and software but they also upgraded the physical properties too.

    My entire issue has been that you are trying to put off your opinion as fact. You have tried turning this around on me, as if I am 'proclaiming on a public forum' that I am right and others are wrong when that so clearly was never my agenda. All I ever said was that your statement of fact that the 5S is the biggest upgrade ever is debatable, and from then on you have come unglued lol.

    Lastly, do not put words in my mouth. I did not once say the value of the update in my eyes was nil. Not once. Do I think it was the greatest ever? Like many others, no, I don't. But we have established that haven't we?

    Save the retort. I have no interest. I have encountered your kind in the forums before and will continue to in the future. If you wish to get the last word in so that you can feel comfortable in your stance then by all means do so as I am finished wasting my time on you.
    It's really okay, you can be insulting. That happens when you lose an internet discussion.

    The 5S is the biggest ever upgrade ever of an iphone, and that is a fact:
    - 64 bit/IOS 7 64 bit
    - ddr3 memory
    -m7 coprocessor
    - FINGERPRINT reader
    - camera options (pano, slow mo, f2.2, light sensitivity)
    - new LTE bands
    - Screaming WIFI on 5ghz
    - plus there are some others

    Some of the above list are incremental as in new LTE bands, but the collective is what is important.

    "Lastly, do not put words in my mouth. I did not once say the value of the update in my eyes was nil. Not once. Do I think it was the greatest ever? Like many others, no, I don't. But we have established that haven't we? "

    I didn't put anything in your mouth, I said you place no value on the updates, which is what you have been saying. And many are not saying what you are saying. Some are saying what you are saying.

    "Save the retort. I have no interest. I have encountered your kind in the forums before and will continue to in the future. If you wish to get the last word in so that you can feel comfortable in your stance then by all means do so as I am finished wasting my time on you"

    "My kind?" LOL. I guess you were a debate club drop-out. 'Nuff said. You can put me on ignore if you want.
    02-21-2014 01:47 PM
  15. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    It's Obamacares fault.


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    Stay on topic please.
    02-21-2014 02:00 PM
  16. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    Stay on topic please.
    You didn't take that as a joke?


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    02-21-2014 02:22 PM
  17. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    You didn't take that as a joke?


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    It's have been a joke but still not an on topic joke that's all. Consider it A friendly reminder.
    02-21-2014 02:23 PM
  18. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    If I had said that it was Bush's fault would I have gotten a friendly reminder?


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    02-21-2014 02:37 PM
  19. iRiidium's Avatar
    If I had said that it was Bush's fault would I have gotten a friendly reminder?


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    Well, that'd have been true.




    /jk


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  20. Spencerdl's Avatar
    Well I'm not disappointed with the 5s or any other Apple product. I should also say that out of 120 million smartphones sold in 2013 (US), 45% was iphones and the next competitor was Samsung at 26%. I guess there are a lot of other people that are not disappointed as well.
    02-21-2014 05:59 PM
  21. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Well I'm not disappointed with the 5s or any other Apple product. I should also say that out of 120 million smartphones sold in 2013 (US), 45% was iphones and the next competitor was Samsung at 26%. I guess there are a lot of other people that are not disappointed as well.
    How dare you use % that don't include Samsungs line of junk phones (that people tend to use when comparing sales between the iPhone and other cellular phones)...I mean it's like you're trying to use logic or something!
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    02-21-2014 06:02 PM
  22. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    If I had said that it was Bush's fault would I have gotten a friendly reminder?


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    From me? Yes you would've gotten the same reminder. There's an off topic forum to discuss politics of you like.
    02-21-2014 06:12 PM
  23. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Well, that'd have been true.




    /jk


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    I know your kidding but back to the subject matter at hand please.
    02-21-2014 06:13 PM
  24. iRiidium's Avatar
    I know your kidding but back to the subject matter at hand please.
    Understood. 20 lashes with a wet noodle for me.


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  25. Spencerdl's Avatar
    How dare you use % that don't include Samsungs line of junk phones (that people tend to use when comparing sales between the iPhone and other cellular phones)...I mean it's like you're trying to use logic or something!
    LOL....allow me to apologize for using logic and facts. LOL


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