1. mikeo007's Avatar
    I have a Z30 and it is superior In many ways compared to my GS4. Just apps that are needed

    Posted via the Android iMore App! on my BlackBerry Z30
    We sure are glad that you registered at an iPhone site, just to tell us how much you like Blackberry device when compared to an Android device...
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    01-17-2014 03:16 PM
  2. FFR's Avatar
    Unfortunately blackberrys comeuppance is too little too late. That doesn't take away that bbos is technically superior to iOS, IMO.
    I thought we were discussing the z10
    However, Legacy bbos is obsolete, meaning dead, no more new devices. Support will end in 2015.


    And that your sole argument consists of device shipments as a measure of superiority has me scratching my head about what you really understand about BB10.
    Superiority?

    I said failure, the opposite being successful (which bb10 is certainly not). Device shipments/sales is the metric in which to judge success or failure.
    Again just look at the blackberry's financials over the past year or even last quarter (hint: they lost 4.4 billion over the last quarter alone).


    You shouldn't put words in my mouth to further your argument. It makes you look incompetent at best.



    Yes IOS is like the pretty dumb girl on a lot of teenage flicks. All show and little go, but very popular.
    Clap clap clap.
    You really have no idea what your talking about do you.
    01-17-2014 03:46 PM
  3. i7guy's Avatar
    I thought we were discussing the z10
    However, Legacy bbos is obsolete, meaning dead, no more new devices. Support will end in 2015.




    Superiority?

    I said failure, the opposite being successful (which bb10 is certainly not). Device shipments/sales is the metric in which to judge success or failure.
    Again just look at the blackberry's financials over the past year or even last quarter (hint: they lost 4.4 billion over the last quarter alone).


    You shouldn't put words in my mouth to further your argument. It makes you look incompetent at best.




    Clap clap clap.
    You really have no idea what your talking about do you.
    I guess it takes one to know one.

    Sales measures only popularity. IOS is popular but it is by no means better than BBOS 10.
    01-17-2014 04:49 PM
  4. kch50428's Avatar
    Clap clap clap.
    You really have no idea what your talking about do you.
    I guess it takes one to know one.
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    01-17-2014 04:55 PM
  5. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Unfortunately blackberrys comeuppance is too little too late. That doesn't take away that bbos is technically superior to iOS, IMO.

    And that your sole argument consists of device shipments as a measure of superiority has me scratching my head about what you really understand about BB10.

    Yes IOS is like the pretty dumb girl on a lot of teenage flicks. All show and little go, but very popular.
    You know, I wrote this big long retort here, but there was no reason for it...my real thoughts on your comments are that your points are ridiculous, you're begging for respect for a device and OS that is circling the drain, and you're trying to equate the iPhone to some simpleton experience when the truth is, the iPhone is satisfying a bigger spectrum of consumer than Blackberry ever dreamed of.

    Bottom line...get back to Crackberry and enjoy your lively forum while it still exists with new devices to discuss.
    01-17-2014 06:01 PM
  6. i7guy's Avatar
    You know, I wrote this big long retort here, but there was no reason for it...my real thoughts on your comments are that your points are ridiculous, you're begging for respect for a device and OS that is circling the drain, and you're trying to equate the iPhone to some simpleton experience when the truth is, the iPhone is satisfying a bigger spectrum of consumer than Blackberry ever dreamed of.

    Bottom line...get back to Crackberry and enjoy your lively forum while it still exists with new devices to discuss.
    I guess I was expecting a more well rounded response..but oh well.

    The implementation of BBOS on a BB10 device is much better IMO than IOS. Yeah, yeah, ecosystem, number of apps blah. I have a 64 gig phone 5S that has 57 gig free. So telling me to go back to crackberry is just silly, I just came from there after making my decision to get the 5s over the z30.

    IOS annoys me to no end, but this is the end game for me for a while. I do like it though...just not feeling the love. Biggest disappointment is email, as I live and breathe and make my living on email. But to each their own. I honestly don't care about the numbers and how many have this or that as that seems to be what people bring up in these conversations.
    01-17-2014 06:57 PM
  7. brooklyndon2911's Avatar
    Really wish the iPhone was the same size as the Z10. Z10 has the perfect size for a smartphone.
    serglb and Darryl Brian like this.
    01-17-2014 08:34 PM
  8. eyecrispy's Avatar
    Really wish the iPhone was the same size as the Z10. Z10 has the perfect size for a smartphone.
    I agree! I wasn't sure at first when I got my z10 but after a few days I came to appreciate the bigger (but not too big) screen.
    Darryl Brian likes this.
    01-17-2014 10:30 PM
  9. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I guess I was expecting a more well rounded response..but oh well.

    The implementation of BBOS on a BB10 device is much better IMO than IOS. Yeah, yeah, ecosystem, number of apps blah. I have a 64 gig phone 5S that has 57 gig free. So telling me to go back to crackberry is just silly, I just came from there after making my decision to get the 5s over the z30.

    IOS annoys me to no end, but this is the end game for me for a while. I do like it though...just not feeling the love. Biggest disappointment is email, as I live and breathe and make my living on email. But to each their own. I honestly don't care about the numbers and how many have this or that as that seems to be what people bring up in these conversations.
    Neat...iOS on the 5S is superior to BBOS on any BB10 device, IMO. Blackberry as a whole bores me to no end, and seems about as attractive as mold. If the iPhone is the pretty dumb girl, Blackberry is certainly the 50 something year old woman who's had way too much plastic surgery, to a point where people stare more out of curiosity than interest.

    I suppose we're at a stale mate though, except I'm not parading that opinion round on Crackberry, because to do so would be absurd. Take that for what it's worth.

    I guess I've never understood joining a community in which your preferences stand in such an opposing manner. I can't stand Tyler Perry movies, but I don't go to the related forums telling all the viewers that the movies are garbage...
    01-17-2014 11:51 PM
  10. BB_Junky's Avatar
    BBRY is coming around slowly but surely, it still needs some work as you got over to Crackberry and read the forums then come here and compare. The negativity over there is astounding, if you dare say something about the device you are jumped on my the diehard fan boys unlike over here. Plus you will read up on the problems they are having with the software, but with new updates coming I hope that takes care of a lot of them.
    I wish the Z10 came with a battery like the Z30 has, that would help out a lot. The Z10 has crash problems, SMS lag problems, a poor camera, reboots randomly ..... But all these can be fixed with proper updates....can't do anything about the battery life except turn everything off which kinda defeats the purpose of a "smartphone".
    The iPhone is a great device, plug and play..you have a great app ecosystem here and it's reliable which is a fairly important thing when your always on the go. It basically comes down to personal performance ...chevy vs Ford, BBRY vs Apple,...we all have choices and all love our devices for our own reasons....find your own and enjoy regardless of what others think!!


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    01-22-2014 12:25 PM
  11. i7guy's Avatar
    BBRY is coming around slowly but surely, it still needs some work as you got over to Crackberry and read the forums then come here and compare. The negativity over there is astounding, if you dare say something about the device you are jumped on my the diehard fan boys unlike over here. Plus you will read up on the problems they are having with the software, but with new updates coming I hope that takes care of a lot of them.
    I wish the Z10 came with a battery like the Z30 has, that would help out a lot. The Z10 has crash problems, SMS lag problems, a poor camera, reboots randomly ..... But all these can be fixed with proper updates....can't do anything about the battery life except turn everything off which kinda defeats the purpose of a "smartphone".
    The iPhone is a great device, plug and play..you have a great app ecosystem here and it's reliable which is a fairly important thing when your always on the go. It basically comes down to personal performance ...chevy vs Ford, BBRY vs Apple,...we all have choices and all love our devices for our own reasons....find your own and enjoy regardless of what others think!!


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    "The Z10 has crash problems, SMS lag problems, a poor camera, reboots randomly ..... But all these can be fixed with proper updates....can't do anything about the battery life except turn everything off which kinda defeats the purpose of a "smartphone"

    The 5S on 7.0.4 suffers from exactly the same thing; well maybe not severe SMS lag and a "poor" camera (although I like the camera in the Z10, so I won't call it poor, it may not be as good as the 5s camera but it's definitely okay). However, reboots and battery life...there are enough threads across the interwebs that deal with the same issue on the iphone 5 and 5s, that one can't say it is unique to Blackberry.

    The number of apps, well the numbers speak for themselves, if knowing how many apps is important, rather than apps that do specific things. Like, there is no netflix app on BB. That would have annoyed me. (Since I have a 5S, I do have my netflix app)
    serglb likes this.
    01-22-2014 01:41 PM
  12. Septembersrain's Avatar
    The lack of apps and the camera quality have me the incentive to get the 5S. Blackberry is lacking in apps even with side loading them, I tried to side load my banking app but when I tried to use it it would not work. If apple and android can do it then blackberry should be able to do the same.
    All I got from my Z10 was missed calls, browser crashes and superb lag. LOL

    For a business, this device is secure. For a consumer though, there are way more solid options.
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    01-22-2014 05:48 PM
  13. eyecrispy's Avatar
    All I got from my Z10 was missed calls, browser crashes and superb lag. LOL

    For a business, this device is secure. For a consumer though, there are way more solid options.
    I thought BB10 is an excellent first iteration of a new OS built from the ground up. Yes there are issues but BB has been making updates at a good clip. iOS and Android had tons of issues when they first debuted. I think BB is late to the game so will be harder for them to play catchup, but I'm a big BB10 fan.
    01-22-2014 06:07 PM
  14. Septembersrain's Avatar
    I thought BB10 is an excellent first iteration of a new OS built from the ground up. Yes there are issues but BB has been making updates at a good clip. iOS and Android had tons of issues when they first debuted. I think BB is late to the game so will be harder for them to play catchup, but I'm a big BB10 fan.
    If it wasn't for side loading and being able to get Crackberry releases, I probably would of broken it instead of sold it.

    They don't want to play catch up though. They are already retreating from the consumer market. =\
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    01-22-2014 06:10 PM
  15. acadia11's Avatar
    All I got from my Z10 was missed calls, browser crashes and superb lag. LOL

    For a business, this device is secure. For a consumer though, there are way more solid options.
    Lag never experienced at all, been butter smooth to me, browser crashes seem rampant on all the latest mobile browsers. IOS 7 is the most unstable iOS version I've experienced since the first one.
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    01-22-2014 08:25 PM
  16. mikeo007's Avatar
    All I got from my Z10 was missed calls, browser crashes and superb lag. LOL

    For a business, this device is secure. For a consumer though, there are way more solid options.
    Pretty much sums up their problems, and the reason why they're pulling out of the consumer market in favour of chasing enterprise users instead. They chased consumers with sub-par offerings for so long, and promised big, but delivered small with BB10. To add to the problems, consumers don't generally care about Blackberry's biggest (and arguably only) advantage, security. But some businesses do care, and others can be tricked into caring.
    01-22-2014 09:43 PM
  17. acadia11's Avatar
    Pretty much sums up their problems, and the reason why they're pulling out of the consumer market in favour of chasing enterprise users instead. They chased consumers with sub-par offerings for so long, and promised big, but delivered small with BB10. To add to the problems, consumers don't generally care about Blackberry's biggest (and arguably only) advantage, security. But some businesses do care, and others can be tricked into caring.
    Bb10 delivered and was no more buggy than any new OS, the failure is mind share and perception, simply put it's a lack of belief in their product and most negatives I've heard are from people who've never used the product. I had 1 person tell me how horrible Bberry was while playing with my phone and going yours is pretty cool, who makes it. I said that's the new Bberry z10 , the first bb10 device, he goes this doesn't look like a blackberry I didn't even know they had new phones.

    This is a true story, people still think of the old bberries and honestly if they were as buggy as many claim, then they wouldn't be highly secure.
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    01-22-2014 10:06 PM
  18. mikeo007's Avatar
    Someone has a really short memory...lol
    Assuming it's a typical fanboy rant above? I'm not up for the punishment of actually trying to read it.
    Still trying to figure out who's alter-ego this guy is though...
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    01-22-2014 10:11 PM
  19. i7guy's Avatar
    Someone has a really short memory...lol
    Assuming it's a typical fanboy rant above? I'm not up for the punishment of actually trying to read it.
    Still trying to figure out who's alter-ego this guy is though...
    I agree about the short memory lol. IOS is not a superior os to any BBOS, imo. Read the threads, resprings, reboots, app crashes, battery life, etc. even the above is tl;dr. Stopped at the word "assuming".
    01-22-2014 11:15 PM
  20. FFR's Avatar
    Someone has a really short memory...lol
    Assuming it's a typical fanboy rant above? I'm not up for the punishment of actually trying to read it.
    Still trying to figure out who's alter-ego this guy is though...
    I think you hit the nail directly on the head.
    mikeo007 likes this.
    01-23-2014 05:16 AM
  21. acadia11's Avatar
    I think you hit the nail directly on the head.
    The irony is that you and mike007 couldn't be bigger fan boys.

    Complimenting the competition and pointing out inconsistencies rubs you the wrong way. Why is that?
    i7guy likes this.
    01-23-2014 05:32 AM
  22. FFR's Avatar
    The irony is that you and mike007 couldn't be bigger fan boys.

    Complimenting the competition and pointing out inconsistencies rubs you the wrong way. Why is that?
    Oh the irony.
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    01-23-2014 06:29 AM
  23. Septembersrain's Avatar
    I think all OS's will have their downsides. I liked my BlackBerry Curve 9310 and I loved my clamshell BlackBerry Style. I just really didn't feel that the touchscreen versions were completely ready to be mass released.

    Just like I think Windows Mobile is a decent platform but they need unclutter it a bit. Android is good but some companies are starting to take away our open sourced freedoms. iOS is nice and stable but I had to jailbreak it to really appreciate the visual kei aspect.
    01-23-2014 07:28 AM
  24. acadia11's Avatar
    I think all OS's will have their downsides. I liked my BlackBerry Curve 9310 and I loved my clamshell BlackBerry Style. I just really didn't feel that the touchscreen versions were completely ready to be mass released.

    Just like I think Windows Mobile is a decent platform but they need unclutter it a bit. Android is good but some companies are starting to take away our open sourced freedoms. iOS is nice and stable but I had to jailbreak it to really appreciate the visual kei aspect.
    Are you referring to bb10 device or old bb oS devices. They work nothing like the bb10 devices , bb 10 is a totally different OS built from scratch based on modern oS principles for doing multitasking in mobile devices as uses gestures. Even iOS will go this way soon


    Sent from my iPhone using iMore Forums mobile app
    01-24-2014 12:24 PM
  25. i7guy's Avatar
    I think all OS's will have their downsides. I liked my BlackBerry Curve 9310 and I loved my clamshell BlackBerry Style. I just really didn't feel that the touchscreen versions were completely ready to be mass released.

    Just like I think Windows Mobile is a decent platform but they need unclutter it a bit. Android is good but some companies are starting to take away our open sourced freedoms. iOS is nice and stable but I had to jailbreak it to really appreciate the visual kei aspect.
    Having to jailbreak iOS to really appreciate it says it all....at least to me.

    Sent from my unjailbroken iPhone 5s, 64gb white with unlimited data.


    Sent from my iPhone using iMore Forums mobile app
    Kashan Osama likes this.
    01-24-2014 01:05 PM
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