1. acadia11's Avatar
    Mike are you serious ?

    In conceited z10 battery life is atrocious and pales I'm comparison to my 5s!!!


    Multitasking just because much older OSs than bb10 have to tweak their current OS to do so doesn't mean it's a joke on bb10 too though.

    Bb10 again being much newer was built with the idea of multitasking in hand, it's why they built the Hub in the first place. Wp, android, and iOS don't support well because it wasn't an important feature and thought when they were created especially in that screens were much smaller, bb10 does not have this problem, multitasking was from day 1 in their design rmeetings an important part of their process.

    Play book was the first test ground for some if the concepts. You are right miltitasking in iOS is a joke, multitasking is not an after thought on bb10 it's built into the kernel , right down to how they manage the user and system space in the OS. Moreover bb10 has never been a desktop OS, bberry purchased QNX maker quantum who deals exclusively in mobile OSes.

    Also, with headless apps you no longer need an active frame, I doubt though this would improve better battery life.




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    01-31-2014 09:41 AM
  2. i7guy's Avatar
    There are plenty of file manager apps in the App Store. They work with mixed results but, they do exist.

    If you could kindly point me towards a BB10 app that prints from device direct to a network printer without a pc host or to Staples that would be great!!

    Edit: I re-read your post and noticed you mentioned BBOS. Legacy devices did have some options in App World that would support this. BB10 does not have any of these options yet.
    Without much issue I was able to print from my storm 2 to my home network. Yes I had an app for that but it worked fairly well.

    That IOS relies on the printer leaves me without a solution except there's an app for that.


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    01-31-2014 09:46 AM
  3. mikeo007's Avatar
    Could you do us both a favour and refrain from replying to me anymore?
    I will put you on ignore to help facilitate this.
    In the interest of keeping this civil, I'm going to quote myself again here.
    It seems you missed this the first and second time since I keep getting quote notifications from you.
    Acadia, I have had you on my ignore list for almost 2 weeks.
    The only post I've bothered to read from you is one where I was warned by a fellow forum member that you were being extremely hostile and distasteful.

    I don't respect your posting style, nor your petty reasons for bashing Apple devices on an Apple fan site.
    Your posts are often riddled with inaccuracies or flatout fabrications and I don't have the time, nor the energy to reply.
    I'm not the first person on this site to tell you this, and I likely won't be the last.
    So I'm writing this for your own good. Don't quote me and expect a response, you will never get one.
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    01-31-2014 09:50 AM
  4. i7guy's Avatar
    The multitasking stuff is kind of a joke at this point. It's an absolute battery killer on BB10. There was a recent thread on Crackberry where users were polled as to whether or not they left active frames running. The overwhelming majority said no due to the significant battery drain. I think that was another rushed portion of BB10. They couldn't develop a real mobile background processing solution, so they just stuck with what was already baked into neutrino. If I start a background task, I don't want it sitting there chewing up resources. If I'm downloading or uploading a file in the background, why would I want an entire app chewing up resources to do that?

    iOS absolutely excels here, even more so with the new iOS7 APIs. The smart background fetch on iOS is absolutely amazing. As soon as I open an app, it's got fresh content waiting for me, no need to wait for a refresh. In fact, no need to even have the app running at all, burning battery for no reason.

    There's a reason why ALL other Mobile OSs have taken the same route with background processes. Android, iOs and WP all follow the same paradigm. It's not because they can't (jail breaking and rooting tweaks have easily shown that the platforms are more than capable of it), it's because they were designed for mobile, rather than a rushed desktop OS crammed into a mobile device.
    Please do not talk about battery life on BBOS. As I previously said there are far too many threads on the inter webs dealing with battery life, resprings, reboots, app crashes to trash BBOS. It's a joke how many of these threads actually exist.

    You may have no issues on your iPhone, my friends who have the z10/z30 are not having issues. We're left with proving unsubstantiated data via the internet.

    iOS clearly does not excel as you put it. BBOS was built from the ground up as a robust, secure, lightweight and fast multitasking environment. And to boot it came or if the gate with copy and paste and a file manager..




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    01-31-2014 09:54 AM
  5. acadia11's Avatar
    In the interest of keeping this civil, I'm going to quote myself again here.
    It seems you missed this the first and second time since I keep getting quote notifications from you.
    Acadia, I have had you on my ignore list for almost 2 weeks.
    The only post I've bothered to read from you is one where I was warned by a fellow forum member that you were being extremely hostile and distasteful.

    I don't respect your posting style, nor your petty reasons for bashing Apple devices on an Apple fan site.
    Your posts are often riddled with inaccuracies or flatout fabrications and I don't have the time, nor the energy to reply.
    I'm not the first person on this site to tell you this, and I likely won't be the last.
    So I'm writing this for your own good. Don't quote me and expect a response, you will never get one.
    So ignore me?!? If you don't like my discussions, don't comment, I didn't approach you saying I'm ignoring you because I don't like your opinions and thoughts. Don't talk about it, be about it. You going to defriend me from your Facebook do I look like a child , who has internet anxiety because some person some millions of bits away won't contact me???

    Who is bashing apple, why would I bash products I use, I can ,unlike you , accept both their shortcomings and their advantages. You seem incapable of this simple impartialness.


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    01-31-2014 09:56 AM
  6. mikeo007's Avatar
    Without much issue I was able to print from my storm 2 to my home network. Yes I had an app for that but it worked fairly well.

    That IOS relies on the printer leaves me without a solution except there's an app for that.


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    It makes for an extremely confusing conversation when you keep jumping from BB10 to BBOS and back again. It almost seems like you're combining their feature sets in some cases. I don't think you're willfully trying to confuse, but nevertheless it really muddies the conversation.

    iOS has the ability to directly print to a variety of printers natively. With the addition of various apps it can print to many more printers.
    BBOS did not have the ability to print directly to any printer, BUT there were apps available to enable this for some printers.
    BB10 does not have the ability to print directly to any printer. AFAIK there are no apps that currently enable this functionality (without requiring extra hardware in between).

    If anything, this is another situation that shows a feature that not only iOS has over BB10, but even legacy BBOS has over BB10. It's part of BB10's problem, it tried to be too many things to too many people. Dumping tons of legacy features in exchange for some (often poorly implemented) consumer features.
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    01-31-2014 09:56 AM
  7. mikeo007's Avatar
    Please do not talk about battery life on BBOS. As I previously said there are far too many threads on the inter webs dealing with battery life, resprings, reboots, app crashes to trash BBOS. It's a joke how many of these threads actually exist.

    You may have no issues on your iPhone, my friends who have the z10/z30 are not having issues. We're left with proving unsubstantiated data via the internet.

    iOS clearly does not excel as you put it. BBOS was built from the ground up as a robust, secure, lightweight and fast multitasking environment. And to boot it came or if the gate with copy and paste and a file manager..

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    The sheer volume of threads complaining about battery at crackberry would seem to indicate that the problem was much larger, especially considering that there was 100s of times more iOS devices than there are BB10 devices. For the issues to be similar, I'd expect to see 200+ complaints about iOS battery for every 1 complaint about BB10. But in fact, it almost seems to be the reverse!

    I still can't tell what you're talking about when you say BBOS since that refers to the old legacy Blackberry OS. If you are talking aboug BB10 being built from the ground up, then that is an absolute joke. BB10 is the QNX Neutrino OS with a TON of crap bolted on. I saw a picture on Crackberry once that illustrated this beautifully. It had Pippy Longstocking with a QNX logo on her, attempting to balance a whole pile of random stuff that makes up BB10. BB10 is a bolt-on solution, there is absolutely nothing about it that is from the ground up.

    Heck, it can even be seen in the simplest places, like the inability to choose a system-wide theme for the device. BB introduced the ability to choose a dark or light theme, but only from within select apps because the apps are all bolted on, with only very loose ties to the rest of the OS.
    01-31-2014 10:02 AM
  8. acadia11's Avatar
    I've never discussed bbOS, you guys being up bbOS, why would I bring up bbOS, an old OS, it's like talking about windows xp??? I'm talking of bberry today and now, would I compare bberry now to iOS 3.0 , that would be silly.

    Ps battery life in z10 is horrible !!!! Period!!! Even carrying 2 batteries I can't make it through a day.

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    01-31-2014 10:06 AM
  9. i7guy's Avatar
    BBOS is my reference to BB10. Saying BB10 is QNX with a ton of crap is like saying windows 8.1 is windows 3 with a ton of crap(I would have used a Mac OS reference but I don't know enough about the lineage)

    On my iPhone I have a juice pack air so I can make it through the day.


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    01-31-2014 10:27 AM
  10. Chrisy's Avatar
    False.

    You can, there is breezy print, plus many others, again both platforms support printing and must be done installing additional apps. Neither one out of box connects to printer without additional apps, mostly because even with your PC you have to install a driver to print to a printer, you need to do the same thing on your smartphone this is why the additional apps are required for printing whether it's bb10 or iOS.

    Print to go , is for printing from your PC to your blackberry (bb10 device acts as the printer).


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    I said you can't do it natively. You need an app.
    01-31-2014 10:34 AM
  11. mikeo007's Avatar
    BBOS is my reference to BB10. Saying BB10 is QNX with a ton of crap is like saying windows 8.1 is windows 3 with a ton of crap(I would have used a Mac OS reference but I don't know enough about the lineage)

    On my iPhone I have a juice pack air so I can make it through the day.


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    Windows 3.1 was DOS with some crap tacked on. Windows 8 is Windows 7 with some crap tacked on. There is virtually nothing from Windows 3.1 in Windows 8 (at least code wise).
    Still, these are desktop OSs, not mobile. All OSs are iterative to some degree, the problem is when you iterate from a desktop OS to a mobile OS.

    Could you take a stove and turn it into a BBQ? Probably, but you're in for a world of hurt.
    You're much better off taking only the core components you need from the stove and building a BBQ from the ground up.
    01-31-2014 10:35 AM
  12. Chrisy's Avatar
    Installing an app is one way to do it on iOS yes. Apps are readily available and work reasonably well. AirPrint prints to enabled printers with no app required.

    Where is the BB10 native app or 3rd party solutions for this?
    100% you do not need an app to print from iOS. I don't have any apps for it. I get an email or PDF or whatever and I just hit print. No apps required.
    01-31-2014 10:36 AM
  13. Chrisy's Avatar
    It's done the same way you do it on an iPhone. Installing an app. Neither platform comes with the ability to print on their own but both have native apps that allow you to do so.


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    Z10 to iphone5s?-photo.png

    This is not true. On my iOS 7 5c I don't need an app. I open the mail, menu, print.

    No app needed. IOS doesn't need an app. BlackBerry does. On BlackBerry OS7 the app never worked for me.
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    01-31-2014 10:37 AM
  14. acadia11's Avatar
    This is not true. On my iOS 7 5c I don't need an app. I open the mail, menu, print.

    No app needed. IOS doesn't need an app. BlackBerry does. On BlackBerry OS7 the app never worked for me.
    This is only true if your printer supports AirPrint protocol. It's not the phone that makes this possible, it's the printer plus the software that ioS7 has, Mac OS also supports this feature, and conceivably there are people now writing apps that will support AirPrint protocol on other devices.

    Also why are you guys still talking about bbos7, bb10 is not bbOS, it's not even in the same family or built on the same technology. Let it go. Should I compare bb10 to iOS 1.0?

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    01-31-2014 10:53 AM
  15. acadia11's Avatar
    Windows 3.1 was DOS with some crap tacked on. Windows 8 is Windows 7 with some crap tacked on. There is virtually nothing from Windows 3.1 in Windows 8 (at least code wise).
    Still, these are desktop OSs, not mobile. All OSs are iterative to some degree, the problem is when you iterate from a desktop OS to a mobile OS.

    Could you take a stove and turn it into a BBQ? Probably, but you're in for a world of hurt.
    You're much better off taking only the core components you need from the stove and building a BBQ from the ground up.
    Bb10 isn't a desktop OS , nor is its QNX base???? I don't get the point? Bb10 is built from the ground up.


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    01-31-2014 10:56 AM
  16. Chrisy's Avatar
    This is only true if your printer supports AirPrint protocol. It's not the phone that makes this possible, it's the printer plus the software that ioS7 has, Mac OS also supports this feature, and conceivably there are people now writing apps that will support AirPrint protocol on other devices.

    Also why are you guys still talking about bbos7, bb10 is not bbOS, it's not even in the same family or built on the same technology. Let it go. Should I compare bb10 to iOS 1.0?

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    Also not true. My printer is wifi enabled. But it's also 3 years old. It doesn't support anything special. It's a $30 printer.

    So whatever airplay is must be available on all printers.
    01-31-2014 10:58 AM
  17. Chrisy's Avatar
    This is only true if your printer supports AirPrint protocol. It's not the phone that makes this possible, it's the printer plus the software that ioS7 has, Mac OS also supports this feature, and conceivably there are people now writing apps that will support AirPrint protocol on other devices.

    Also why are you guys still talking about bbos7, bb10 is not bbOS, it's not even in the same family or built on the same technology. Let it go. Should I compare bb10 to iOS 1.0?

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    In my opinion BlackBerry 10 isn't much better than BlackBerry OS7 regarding apps and built in features. That's why I talk them both in a similar way.

    I'd love to have a BlackBerry. I would. When they get their App Store built up I will be back! BlackBerry 10 also lost a lot of great BlackBerry OS7 features.

    In my opinion. Can BlackBerry 10 do headless apps yet?
    01-31-2014 11:02 AM
  18. i7guy's Avatar
    Windows 3.1 was DOS with some crap tacked on. Windows 8 is Windows 7 with some crap tacked on. There is virtually nothing from Windows 3.1 in Windows 8 (at least code wise).
    Still, these are desktop OSs, not mobile. All OSs are iterative to some degree, the problem is when you iterate from a desktop OS to a mobile OS.

    Could you take a stove and turn it into a BBQ? Probably, but you're in for a world of hurt.
    You're much better off taking only the core components you need from the stove and building a BBQ from the ground up.
    My take on iOS is similar to your take on BB10; that iOS is Osx with "crap" bolted on. Took a refrigerator and turned it into a snow machine to use your stove analogy.

    Except that BB10 is an OS that was derived from a highly scalable, secure OS.


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    01-31-2014 11:06 AM
  19. mikeo007's Avatar
    Also not true. My printer is wifi enabled. But it's also 3 years old. It doesn't support anything special. It's a $30 printer.

    So whatever airplay is must be available on all printers.
    AirPrint is available on a ton of printers. It was introduced about 4 years ago at which time it only worked on a few HP printers. Now, 4 years later, almost every wifi enabled printer comes with AirPrint support. It really costs the vendor nothing to add it, but it's a huge value add for the customer.

    Here's a list of AirPrint printers available from Walmart (hint, it's a LOT).

    http://forums.imore.com/e?link=https...token=Su7cvWzn
    01-31-2014 11:07 AM
  20. mikeo007's Avatar
    My take on iOS is similar to your take on BB10; that iOS is Osx with "crap" bolted on. Took a refrigerator and turned it into a snow machine to use your stove analogy.

    Except that BB10 is an OS that was derived from a highly scalable, secure OS.


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    The difference is that your take has no basis in fact. iOS is quite well documented, and the facts are right there. It was built from the ground up. Whenever changes are made, they are made to the core OS, not bolted on as external apps. Even Blackberry's much touted Android player is simply an app bolted on.

    BB10 is also documented if you know where to look. Just follow the development of the Playbook, through bb10. It's actually laughable how similar the two are.
    01-31-2014 11:10 AM
  21. i7guy's Avatar
    Also not true. My printer is wifi enabled. But it's also 3 years old. It doesn't support anything special. It's a $30 printer.

    So whatever airplay is must be available on all printers.
    As I said above AirPrint does not work on my home network. I can install a windows third party program to make it work, but I haven't done that yet.

    Or I guess I can download an app from the old store, but not doing that either.


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    01-31-2014 11:11 AM
  22. Chrisy's Avatar
    This is only true if your printer supports AirPrint protocol. It's not the phone that makes this possible, it's the printer plus the software that ioS7 has, Mac OS also supports this feature, and conceivably there are people now writing apps that will support AirPrint protocol on other devices.

    Also why are you guys still talking about bbos7, bb10 is not bbOS, it's not even in the same family or built on the same technology. Let it go. Should I compare bb10 to iOS 1.0?

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    AirPrint is available on a ton of printers. It was introduced about 4 years ago at which time it only worked on a few HP printers. Now, 4 years later, almost every wifi enabled printer comes with AirPrint support. It really costs the vendor nothing to add it, but it's a huge value add for the customer.

    Here's a list of AirPrint printers available from Walmart (hint, it's a LOT).

    Airprint Compatible Printers : Printers - Walmart.com
    In ANY case, like I said. I don't need an app to print from my iOS device. That's all.
    01-31-2014 11:14 AM
  23. i7guy's Avatar
    The difference is that your take has no basis in fact. iOS is quite well documented, and the facts are right there. It was built from the ground up. Whenever changes are made, they are made to the core OS, not bolted on as external apps. Even Blackberry's much touted Android player is simply an app bolted on.

    BB10 is also documented if you know where to look. Just follow the development of the Playbook, through bb10. It's actually laughable how similar the two are.
    You and I must have different internets, because my internet says IOS is derived from Osx.

    While BBX is derived from QNX.


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    01-31-2014 11:16 AM
  24. Chrisy's Avatar
    This is only true if your printer supports AirPrint protocol. It's not the phone that makes this possible, it's the printer plus the software that ioS7 has, Mac OS also supports this feature, and conceivably there are people now writing apps that will support AirPrint protocol on other devices.

    Also why are you guys still talking about bbos7, bb10 is not bbOS, it's not even in the same family or built on the same technology. Let it go. Should I compare bb10 to iOS 1.0?

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    As I said above AirPrint does not work on my home network. I can install a windows third party program to make it work, but I haven't done that yet.

    Or I guess I can download an app from the old store, but not doing that either.


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    Yeah anyway. Someone posed a question of: how do I print natively from my BlackBerry 10. I said you can't, you need an app. That is correct.

    And I said I don't need an app to print from my iOS, that is correct.

    You need a printer upgrade. It's not to do with either BlackBerry or Apple for you. It's your printer.
    01-31-2014 11:17 AM
  25. mikeo007's Avatar
    Anyway, this thread has wasted far too much of my time.
    It's quite sad really.

    I actually like both iOS and BB10.
    I like iOS more, as it suits my work and lifestyle better than BB10.
    This would seem to be the case for the majority of people out there choosing between the 2 platforms.

    I've probably made some gross over-exaggerations in this thread in response to even more ridiculous claims from the other camp, but that's why fighting about phones is so stupid.
    So little fact checking, so much opinion listed as fact.

    The OP has never returned since the first page, so this thread has completely run its course. It's now just a dumping ground for the few Blackberry diehards who choose for whatever reason to float around the Apple forums.

    IMO the only thing sadder than arguing about phones, is coming to another fansite and trying to evangelize for your device of choice.
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    01-31-2014 11:17 AM
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