1. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    You know, when you start seeing some of the same faces that pop up every now and then to spike these kinds of threads with traffic...you have to just step away and let the trolling run it's course.

    Apple not prepared? lol...not prepared for what, the absolute thrashing their supply of iPhone's would take because, like every year, it sells like hot cakes? Give me a break, Apple was fully prepared, and expecting this. The popularity these devices have overshadows other devices, so you don't see these kinds of releases with Samsung products or LG products or Blackberry products. But apparently, Apple is always doing something wrong huh?
    Don't forget about that big Galaxy Note 3 launch coming soon. Fasten your seat belts, boys and girls....
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    09-20-2013 03:10 PM
  2. kch50428's Avatar
    Then who the heck does?apples certainly not going to be forthright with their manufacturing numbers. Journalists and media are only thing we have to go on. And when you have every news source saying pretty much the same thing,chances are its true.
    The media LIE. All the time. I trust the media even less than I trust politicians.
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    09-20-2013 03:11 PM
  3. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    The beauty of this is that nobody is arguing that there are shortages...OF COURSE THERE IS...there are shortages every single year! LOL!

    The real issue is where you try to find fault in Apple on the shortages...did you expect them to create an iPhone for every man, woman and child that COULD order one? Who realistically thinks this? Come on people, use your noggins here, we have supply shortages because the iPhone is flying off the shelves because that is what happens on the release day. Stop trying to spin it into some kind of "problem" that Apple needs to address...they are sitting back counting dollars and smiling right now, because there IS no problem.
    John Yester, iKev and sprocket2107 like this.
    09-20-2013 03:13 PM
  4. Fausty82's Avatar
    Everyone saying they dropped the ball you have to understand that what you saw is not indicative of all Apple stores. I'm in Toronto and this launch by far was WAYYYYYYYYYYY better than my first experience waiting in line for an Apple device. I waited in line for the iPhone 4 and I was there for 8 hours until I finally got my phone. Now contrast that with my experience today. I walked into the same mall at around 11AM. I thought for sure there was no supply but they had the model I wanted. The lines were about 1/50th of the size of the one I waited in for my iPhone 4. They handed people tickets in line after checking the color and storage size of the model you wanted. Then they seperated the lines into factory unlocked and carrier locked. I was out of there with my iPhone 5s in one hour. Compare that to the 8 hour wait I had to get my iPhone 4 or the 2 week wait I had to get my iPhone 5. I can say without certainty that this was the best launch from what I experienced. So it is not one experience that is the whole picture. I'm sure there are others with stories of experience that are just as good and others who went through hell.
    I walked away empty handed when I bought my original iPhone on launch day (arrived in the mail 3 days later). I walked away empty handed when I bought my iPhone 3G on launch day (picked up at store 1 week later). I walked away empty handed when I bought my iPhone 4 on launch day (picked up at store 1 week later). This is not new. I got my iPhone 5 NOT on launch day and guess what...I walked out the door with my new iPhone.

    This is pretty much how every iPhone launch has gone.
    To paraphrase Mark Twain, reports of Apple's demise are greatly exaggerated. We go through this "Apple cant handle the demand" every time they launch a product. This routinely follows the grossly exaggerated reports that what ever new product Apple announces is flawed, disappoints, and is a sign that they can no longer innovate.

    Which is it? Their products ALWAYS sell out. If they didnt, THAT would be news. But to say after weeks of projecting doom and gloom for Apple based on a "non-innovative" product announcement that when there are lines, and product sells out and people do go home empty handed that they some how screwed the pooch just doesnt cut it.

    Pick one. Either they announced and sell blase products that are not innovative and dont excite, or they sell great stuff and cant possible manufacture enough to have it on hand for every customer.
    kch50428, BLiNK, fezza17 and 3 others like this.
    09-20-2013 03:21 PM
  5. tbaptista's Avatar
    Flying off the shelf! LMAO!!! it has to be on the shelf to fly off it. lol...

    I just am shocked that they short changed retailers with little to no supply. Again this is soley based on what I have been reading in the news and forums and could be totally BS.

    I just am thanking my lucky stars that I ordered online instead of waiting in line.

    Just to put it out there I don't "troll" as I love Apple and pretty much everything in my home revolves around apple products. Macs, iPhones, Apple TV etc. Went down the android path many years ago only because verizon didn't have the iphone. That is one nightmare I don't want to relive. lol

    And perhaps it's just the fact that there were no pre-orders that caused the huge shortage. But than again I would love to know the reason to not have pre-orders on the 5s to begin with.
    09-20-2013 03:21 PM
  6. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Flying off the shelf! LMAO!!! it has to be on the shelf to fly off it. lol...

    I just am shocked that they short changed retailers with little to no supply. Again this is soley based on what I have been reading in the news and forums and could be totally BS.

    I just am thanking my lucky stars that I ordered online instead of waiting in line.

    Just to put it out there I don't "troll" as I love Apple and pretty much everything in my home revolves around apple products. Macs, iPhones, Apple TV etc. Went down the android path many years ago only because verizon didn't have the iphone. That is one nightmare I don't want to relive. lol

    And perhaps it's just the fact that there were no pre-orders that caused the huge shortage. But than again I would love to know the reason to not have pre-orders on the 5s to begin with.
    There's literally no point in having a conversation with you because regardless of what is presented to you, you revert back to a supposed "issue" that Apple has. Surprisingly, this being the 6th and 7th iPhone to hit the market, you're still trying to figure out a way to make Apple seem less illustrious than they are when their product is literally FLOODING the market because of popularity and preference.

    You're trying to assign "blame" on success...it's such an odd thing to observe, and for the life of me, for someone who supposedly represents a "love" for Apple products, you sure are fighting tooth and nail to find fault in this.
    BLiNK and sprocket2107 like this.
    09-20-2013 03:30 PM
  7. Behshad's Avatar
    I walked away empty handed when I bought my original iPhone on launch day (arrived in the mail 3 days later). I walked away empty handed when I bought my iPhone 3G on launch day (picked up at store 1 week later). I walked away empty handed when I bought my iPhone 4 on launch day (picked up at store 1 week later). This is not new. I got my iPhone 5 NOT on launch day and guess what...I walked out the door with my new iPhone.

    This is pretty much how every iPhone launch has gone.
    You know, when you start seeing some of the same faces that pop up every now and then to spike these kinds of threads with traffic...you have to just step away and let the trolling run it's course.

    Apple not prepared? lol...not prepared for what, the absolute thrashing their supply of iPhone's would take because, like every year, it sells like hot cakes? Give me a break, Apple was fully prepared, and expecting this. The popularity these devices have overshadows other devices, so you don't see these kinds of releases with Samsung products or LG products or Blackberry products. But apparently, Apple is always doing something wrong huh?

    No one is trolling.
    The fact that they sell like hotcakes should have made them realize that they should send more supplies to the stores.

    Maybe they underestimated how many people who just bought a new 5 last year would still shell up full price and get the 5s


    When store managers complain about supply (compared to previous years) then you know it's more than just people wanting to *****&complain or troll.
    tbaptista likes this.
    09-20-2013 03:33 PM
  8. BLiNK's Avatar
    i admire you, Sean. i would've been banned again by now
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    09-20-2013 03:33 PM
  9. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    i admire you, Sean. i would've been banned again by now
    These people are easy to deal with because it's almost always the same ones...it doesn't change so the approach is something familiar.
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    09-20-2013 03:36 PM
  10. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    No one is trolling.
    The fact that they sell like hotcakes should have made them realize that they should send more supplies to the stores.

    Maybe they underestimated how many people who just bought a new 5 last year would still shell up full price and get the 5s


    When store managers complain about supply (compared to previous years) then you know it's more than just people wanting to *****&complain or troll.
    It's nothing more than trolling. Especially in this case, where the same scenario is playing out before your eyes that we see every year and yet, for some reason, people want to find FAULT with Apple as if they made a mistake. Store managers are complaining about supply because they are getting overwhelmed with demand...how the hell is this a problem for Apple? LOL! They are selling their product so fast that Apple can't keep up...any of the other manufacturers would KILL to have this "problem" on release day.

    Seriously guys, how many different ways can you try to find fault with Apple because their product is a major success? Give it a rest!
    kch50428 and iKev like this.
    09-20-2013 03:39 PM
  11. tbaptista's Avatar

    Seriously guys, how many different ways can you try to find fault with Apple because their product is a major success? Give it a rest!
    That I can't argue, their products are a huge success and are top quality products hands down!
    09-20-2013 03:47 PM
  12. Behshad's Avatar
    I walked away empty handed when I bought my original iPhone on launch day (arrived in the mail 3 days later). I walked away empty handed when I bought my iPhone 3G on launch day (picked up at store 1 week later). I walked away empty handed when I bought my iPhone 4 on launch day (picked up at store 1 week later). This is not new. I got my iPhone 5 NOT on launch day and guess what...I walked out the door with my new iPhone.

    This is pretty much how every iPhone launch has gone.
    You know, when you start seeing some of the same faces that pop up every now and then to spike these kinds of threads with traffic...you have to just step away and let the trolling run it's course.

    Apple not prepared? lol...not prepared for what, the absolute thrashing their supply of iPhone's would take because, like every year, it sells like hot cakes? Give me a break, Apple was fully prepared, and expecting this. The popularity these devices have overshadows other devices, so you don't see these kinds of releases with Samsung products or LG products or Blackberry products. But apparently, Apple is always doing something wrong huh?
    It's nothing more than trolling. Especially in this case, where the same scenario is playing out before your eyes that we see every year and yet, for some reason, people want to find FAULT with Apple as if they made a mistake. Store managers are complaining about supply because they are getting overwhelmed with demand...how the hell is this a problem for Apple? LOL! They are selling their product so fast that Apple can't keep up...any of the other manufacturers would KILL to have this "problem" on release day.

    Seriously guys, how many different ways can you try to find fault with Apple because their product is a major success? Give it a rest!

    Show me where I complained about 5, 4s 4 and any other releases.
    I simply state the fact that Apple didn't send enough supplies to the stores.
    Of course I knew they would sell bunch of them.
    The store managers are stating Facts that they got less units than last year.
    It's easy to sell out when you don't send out many units but I don't think that's what Apple was going for cause the don't need to play that game to sell out. These phones sell no matter what. Just wish they would've sent 64gb units to more carrier stores.
    But I was also hoping to get one on release date. A 64gb , grey or gold. But no luck.
    I will not give up though. I will find one somewhere in some small town stores much like I found the iPad 3 when it was sold out

    If you're gonna label any kind of criticism and opinion as trolling then you're as bad as the "trolls" ;-)
    tbaptista likes this.
    09-20-2013 03:48 PM
  13. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Show me where I complained about 5, 4s 4 and any other releases.
    I simply state the fact that Apple didn't send enough supplies to the stores.
    Of course I knew they would sell bunch of them.
    The store managers are stating Facts that they got less units than last year.
    It's easy to sell out when you don't send out many units but I don't think that's what Apple was going for cause the don't need to play that game to sell out. These phones sell no matter what. Just wish they would've sent 64gb units to more carrier stores.
    But I was also hoping to get one on release date. A 64gb , grey or gold. But no luck.
    I will not give up though. I will find one somewhere in some small town stores much like I found the iPad 3 when it was sold out

    If you're gonna label any kind of criticism and opinion as trolling then you're as bad as the "trolls" ;-)
    Apple has the same overwhelming success they do every year with the iPhone, running out of stock because people flock to the stores and buy every last one that is there.

    When you try to find fault in that, you are trolling...one of the defined aspects of trolling is a cynical approach to an otherwise normal scenario. Apple has enormous success...they must be doing something wrong somewhere, easy target? Lack of supply. Couldn't possibly be the positive side of demand, it has to be a "problem". It's the definition of trolling.
    Fausty82 likes this.
    09-20-2013 04:00 PM
  14. kjparfekt's Avatar
    I can't have been the only person that waited for 6 hours (2 am to 8 am) less than 40th in line and ended up with no phone because I wasn't going to settle for not getting the specific color I wanted. I was even flexible on size. The majority of people in line did not get the color they wanted but were happy to settle just to get something. And this is at an Apple flagship store in a major city location. Until customers like me vote by walking Apple has no incentive to change.
    09-20-2013 04:07 PM
  15. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I can't have been the only person that waited for 6 hours (2 am to 8 am) less than 40th in line and ended up with no phone because I wasn't going to settle for not getting the specific color I wanted. I was even flexible on size. The majority of people in line did not get the color they wanted but were happy to settle just to get something. And this is at an Apple flagship store in a major city location. Until customers like me vote by walking Apple has no incentive to change.
    Quit kidding yourself...you're not walking anywhere, you'll be getting an iPhone as soon as the opportunity presents itself to you.

    Why would Apple want to change enormous success? It's like saying that a restaurant should change because they fill up their reservations for a night and you couldn't just walk in and get a table during prime time. Oh, you didn't have a chance to get a reservation? Then show up earlier...or wait and eat there at a less crowded time. This is really simple here people, it's not some master plan by the company to just screw you over and make you jump ship to another device...it's demand overwhelming supply, again, something companies strive for in every facet.
    Fausty82 likes this.
    09-20-2013 04:14 PM
  16. kch50428's Avatar
    At least Apple is not Blackberry today...
    09-20-2013 04:17 PM
  17. RavenSword's Avatar
    I'm just hoping at has stock in early october
    09-20-2013 04:19 PM
  18. Behshad's Avatar
    Apple has the same overwhelming success they do every year with the iPhone, running out of stock because people flock to the stores and buy every last one that is there.

    When you try to find fault in that, you are trolling...one of the defined aspects of trolling is a cynical approach to an otherwise normal scenario. Apple has enormous success...they must be doing something wrong somewhere, easy target? Lack of supply. Couldn't possibly be the positive side of demand, it has to be a "problem". It's the definition of trolling.

    Quit bragging about and taking credit for Apples success. You keep repeating the same thing. You don't pay attention that with the huge demand that Apple and the rest of us were expecting , they should've at least provided the stores with same quantity that they did with iPhone 5. But the didn't. Part of it is because of the ID sensor in my opinion. It's simply putting a delay on production.
    09-20-2013 04:23 PM
  19. tbaptista's Avatar
    There were several articles regarding a shortage of the ID sensor assembly.

    Also, why was there no pre-ordering of the 5s.

    Something doesn't smell right. lol.

    I am more curious then anything else as the shortage luckily didn't affect me getting a phone. Of course the 1st time I actually have a upgrade available when the phone is launched they don't allow pre-ordering. Never fails. lol
    09-20-2013 04:27 PM
  20. Behshad's Avatar
    Quit kidding yourself...you're not walking anywhere, you'll be getting an iPhone as soon as the opportunity presents itself to you.

    Why would Apple want to change enormous success? It's like saying that a restaurant should change because they fill up their reservations for a night and you couldn't just walk in and get a table during prime time. Oh, you didn't have a chance to get a reservation? Then show up earlier...or wait and eat there at a less crowded time. This is really simple here people, it's not some master plan by the company to just screw you over and make you jump ship to another device...it's demand overwhelming supply, again, something companies strive for in every facet.
    Ok let's look at your restaurant example.
    Let's say you have a restaurant that every Friday night serves 200 people and packed for four hours and all customers happy.
    Would you on any Friday cut back in the kitchen and tell the chef "hey this coming Friday we will just make enough specials to cover 120 people even though we know we will have 200 people wanting our food tonight". Would you do that as a restaurant owner just to say "
    Great job staff , no leftover food "
    I know it's not apples strategy to sell out by having low quantity. It's slow production caused by the ID sensor .
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    09-20-2013 04:28 PM
  21. Peter Cotton's Avatar
    My first launch today. Wandered down to my local Vodafone store at 7:15 am GMT thinking that there would be a massive queue. There was only two people ahead of me! I was out at 8:15 with my new space grey 16GB iPhone. Yes I would have preferred the gold, which they didn't get any stock of. But I'm not that fussed, it's only a colour!

    The apple store round the corner was a different matter though. About 1/3 of the queue turned away because they had sold out of everything. That was not a happy queue. I'm just glad I'm a Vodafone customer!
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    09-20-2013 04:39 PM
  22. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Ok let's look at your restaurant example.
    Let's say you have a restaurant that every Friday night serves 200 people and packed for four hours and all customers happy.
    Would you on any Friday cut back in the kitchen and tell the chef "hey this coming Friday we will just make enough specials to cover 120 people even though we know we will have 200 people wanting our food tonight". Would you do that as a restaurant owner just to say "
    Great job staff , no leftover food "
    I know it's not apples strategy to sell out by having low quantity. It's slow production caused by the ID sensor .
    This makes absolutely no sense. You think Apple told production lines to halt to a certain number but with an understanding that the demand would be significantly higher?

    That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read if you actually believe that.

    And as far as bragging and taking credit...WTF are you talking about? I give Apple 110% of the credit here, yet again, they've made a stellar product that is so popular they can't keep up with production demand. Bragging would be more like me saying how excited I am as a stock holder to see this kind of movement of the products, knowing that the stock value spike will tender me a nice profit if I decide to sell them off this time around (like it does every year).
    09-20-2013 04:44 PM
  23. Behshad's Avatar
    This makes absolutely no sense. You think Apple told production lines to halt to a certain number but with an understanding that the demand would be significantly higher?

    That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read if you actually believe that.

    And as far as bragging and taking credit...WTF are you talking about? I give Apple 110% of the credit here, yet again, they've made a stellar product that is so popular they can't keep up with production demand. Bragging would be more like me saying how excited I am as a stock holder to see this kind of movement of the products, knowing that the stock value spike will tender me a nice profit if I decide to sell them off this time around (like it does every year).


    Are you that hard of understanding ?

    They didn't HALT production. They didn't provide the same equal amount of units to retail stores as they did last year.
    Even though they KNEW they would have high demands.
    The "fault" could simple lie in the fact that they didn't have enough ID sensors.
    If that's the case then they were NOT prepared for this big release. This isn't about measuring their overall success. It's about some form of miscalculation that resulted in stores not getting enough supplies. You can argue that fact as much as you want but this year they sent out less units to stores compared to previous years. Verdict : NOT PREPARED.

    Now carry on and tell us how they sell out units and bla bla and try to label anyone that doesn't sugarcoat this release as troll.
    AllanRosen likes this.
    09-20-2013 04:51 PM
  24. Behshad's Avatar
    My first launch today. Wandered down to my local Vodafone store at 7:15 am GMT thinking that there would be a massive queue. There was only two people ahead of me! I was out at 8:15 with my new space grey 16GB iPhone. Yes I would have preferred the gold, which they didn't get any stock of. But I'm not that fussed, it's only a colour!

    The apple store round the corner was a different matter though. About 1/3 of the queue turned away because they had sold out of everything. That was not a happy queue. I'm just glad I'm a Vodafone customer!

    Good for you. Glad you got yours on launch day.
    I wish they had 64gb at my store cause I wasn't as concerned about color anymore.
    09-20-2013 04:52 PM
  25. Paradocks's Avatar
    This makes absolutely no sense. You think Apple told production lines to halt to a certain number but with an understanding that the demand would be significantly higher?

    That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read if you actually believe that.

    And as far as bragging and taking credit...WTF are you talking about? I give Apple 110% of the credit here, yet again, they've made a stellar product that is so popular they can't keep up with production demand. Bragging would be more like me saying how excited I am as a stock holder to see this kind of movement of the products, knowing that the stock value spike will tender me a nice profit if I decide to sell them off this time around (like it does every year).
    Apple stock down almost $5 today. Better hope the slide doesn't continue.

    Sent from somewhere
    09-20-2013 05:05 PM
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