1. boovish's Avatar
    Im not really sorry about this, but that will never happen. 5" screens are over rated. And so is Samsung. I prefer a Motorola Droid 4 over the crappy S4
    09-11-2013 05:52 PM
  2. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Yep. We call it the "I dont know what I want, but whatever you gave me, that aint it" syndrome around our house. That and the fact that we, as a people, are extremely fickle.
    That's the best damn thing I've read today...I'm going to use this now, lol! Thanks!
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    09-11-2013 06:04 PM
  3. SiLeNcEbOnE's Avatar
    I think people don't really understand the word "innovate". I myself was a iphone user but switched to android due to the larger screen.
    Majority of consumers that also switched, switched mainly because of the screen size. Bigger screen is better like they say.
    Most of the consumers don't even care about the internals how fast it is how much ram it has or if it can run crysis as long as it runs smoothly and can run most downloaded games while also having a home screen that they find appealing to them.
    You get a group of consumers that actually care about the phone itself. Speed, camera, battery life etc..
    But then you get that group that will defend their iphones or android phones till death do them part. That group needs to be more open minded about other products.

    No matter what phone any company comes up with you will always have people bashing them for not being innovative.

    My opinion about this years reveal was the prices weren't what I thought it would be. I expected the 5c to be cheaper, meaning under $400.
    At that price i doubt it will attract more consumers. You can buy a S4 for a couple more dollars which has a bigger screen. That's what you will hear people tell you.
    Now only reason I'm still on android is due to the bigger screen size, I don't really care about android being open or that you can customize it as you want but I really dislike the stock roms on the phones. So much bloatware with stuff you don't even use ever. That's why I got my s3 with CM rooted with next launcher. Even tuned down the CPU frequency to 1ghz and it runs really smooth compared to stock rom on the s3.

    What I would want to see next year is the iphone 6 having a bigger screen size while keeping the iphone 6c same size it is now so they can have it at a cheaper price.
    Would want to see the next iphone have not a taller screen but more broader. So we can fit another set of icons next to it a 5 by 5 row counting out the main icons on the bottom. Then i'll switch back. That screen size would be more appealing to me. I don't care much about the specs itself, I really want a phone that runs smooth with a big screen. Hence I got the s3. But I prefer the apple ecosystem and the ios itself.
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    09-11-2013 06:45 PM
  4. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I think people don't really understand the word "innovate". I myself was a iphone user but switched to android due to the larger screen.
    Majority of consumers that also switched, switched mainly because of the screen size. Bigger screen is better like they say.
    Most of the consumers don't even care about the internals how fast it is how much ram it has or if it can run crysis as long as it runs smoothly and can run most downloaded games while also having a home screen that they find appealing to them.
    You get a group of consumers that actually care about the phone itself. Speed, camera, battery life etc..
    But then you get that group that will defend their iphones or android phones till death do them part. That group needs to be more open minded about other products.

    No matter what phone any company comes up with you will always have people bashing them for not being innovative.

    My opinion about this years reveal was the prices weren't what I thought it would be. I expected the 5c to be cheaper, meaning under $400.
    At that price i doubt it will attract more consumers. You can buy a S4 for a couple more dollars which has a bigger screen. That's what you will hear people tell you.
    Now only reason I'm still on android is due to the bigger screen size, I don't really care about android being open or that you can customize it as you want but I really dislike the stock roms on the phones. So much bloatware with stuff you don't even use ever. That's why I got my s3 with CM rooted with next launcher. Even tuned down the CPU frequency to 1ghz and it runs really smooth compared to stock rom on the s3.

    What I would want to see next year is the iphone 6 having a bigger screen size while keeping the iphone 6c same size it is now so they can have it at a cheaper price.
    Would want to see the next iphone have not a taller screen but more broader. So we can fit another set of icons next to it a 5 by 5 row counting out the main icons on the bottom. Then i'll switch back. That screen size would be more appealing to me. I don't care much about the specs itself, I really want a phone that runs smooth with a big screen. Hence I got the s3. But I prefer the apple ecosystem and the ios itself.
    ​Well stated, sir....
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    09-11-2013 07:11 PM
  5. revtech's Avatar
    Apple is not going to be around forever, and neither are we. Those are facts! Having said that, trends come and go, especially in the tech industry. People will say that it is unreasonable to expect Apple to maintain its stature, but then turn right around and place unreasonable demands and expectations on it. People's own expectations take center stage over Apple's. I'd argue that some people don't have a clue to what kind of innovation they'd like to see. It's like my wife telling me she wants to go to a restaurant to eat, but don't know which one she prefers, and every one that I recommend gets turned down. When I finally make a decision to where we will eat, she finds a reason to complain about it. In short, and it doesn't matter what company it is, consumers will either like their products or they won't. They will either buy their products or they won't, but companies with a carefully laid out plan will usually be able to last longer than companies that do not. Lastly, we tech enthusiasts seem to forget that we represent a mere fraction of Apple's customers and yet, we think that our opinions and self indulged tech expertise should outweigh the overall satisfaction of its core consumers.
    Hey, are you married to my wife?! ;-)
    09-11-2013 10:04 PM
  6. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Hey, are you married to my wife?! ;-)
    (Laughing)....
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    09-11-2013 10:15 PM
  7. ADGrant's Avatar
    Hey buddy.

    I understand your frustration. I've been an apple fan boy since the iPhone 3G.
    Yes after seeing today's presentation, I wasn't to impressed.
    Subtle features like a finger print scanner, new A7 chip and a few features with the camera isn't all that amazing.

    I just feel after Steve jobs passed, there innovation hasn't evolved that much.
    But in seeing your side , I'm also happy with the slight adjustment in a processor.
    Havering a 64 bit phone with PC console graphics caught my attention.
    That the main reason why I'm deciding to get it although I have the iPhone 5.

    What would you of wanted from the presentation to make you happy?

    Android is innovative and yes they have done things before apple. Only difference is APPLE FOCUSES ON QUALITY over specifications.
    They want there product to chiseled to the consumer.
    It's like a Ferrari. They haven't changed how it looks like for years but it's a dam sexy car.


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    Android is innovative? In what way. The Android manufacturers mostly seem to be about bigger and bigger phones. How is that innovative?

    The 5s OTOH is the first smartphone ever with a 64bit CPU and OS, the first camera with a variable color temperature flash (even Canon and Nikon don't have that), and what looks to be the first smartphone with workable biometric security. How is that not innovative?
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    09-11-2013 11:34 PM
  8. ADGrant's Avatar
    I don't understand why people speak so senselessly. Look...APPL is down 33% from a year ago....33%!!!! Why? Well, possibly it is because APPL hasn't produced hardware that has captured the market like they used to. You know hardware that produced enough hype to launch their stock into the $700 range. Now, I would say it's totally unreasonable to have the expectation that APPL could have that sort of streak. But there is something to be said as to why the trend is shifting away from APPL hardware. It is not a bad idea to analyze why. In fact, that analysis is the very reason APPL went with various colour 5c...because people like it...they like options...APPL had not given that previously. I tell you, it wont be long before APPL loses even more market share at this rate. You can only ride a name so long. Right now APPL is riding on the iPhone name. Sure the eco system is great. Sure the phones are nice. But admit it, there are equally great alternatives, a vaster variety of options that APPL doesn't provide, and people jump to iPhone because it's trendy...especially first time buyers. But if iPhone can't actually maintain it's image or APPL can't impress in the future with tech, then I don't see it continuing to be a leader. I predicted the stock drop a year ago and I was laughed out of my buddy's house...but no I can say I told you so...sometimes a sober step back to assess the situation is a good thing. So many people on here are called trolls or what ever because they had higher hopes for the iPhone...but reality is APPL stock and market share and press impressions are mirroring these same unimpressed opinions...maybe it's time to listen to the so called 'trolls'
    Apple's market share has been increasing in the US so they seem to be capturing that market. They also have the highest customer satisfaction numbers. Their biggest problem is their phones are very expensive which is why their global market share is falling. They also don't have 100% of the carriers offering the iPhone on their networks.
    09-11-2013 11:41 PM
  9. yzjustdatguy's Avatar
    Funny how people complain about Apple not putting a bigger size screen on their phones. I don't see the reason. Wouldn't it be the equivalent of an iPad Mini? Then they would complain about how iOS doesn't compliment the screen real estate and how it needs widgets and so forth. Which in turn would lead to more complaints of how Apple isn't innovating. It's just copying android with its widgets and so on. Lets be real here....not everyone will be satisfied
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    09-12-2013 12:45 AM
  10. mynameis's Avatar
    I'm starting to feel like people thought that the 5s was going to be some super new upgrade to the phone. Look at the 4 and 4s? There are minor if not no upgrades to the phone physically. It's software my friends. iOS 7 is what I'm looking forward to and thought that was what everyone else was hyped for.

    But also keep in mind, they are just phones.

    Peace and chicken grease.
    09-12-2013 02:03 AM
  11. ejb222's Avatar
    Apple's market share has been increasing in the US so they seem to be capturing that market. They also have the highest customer satisfaction numbers. Their biggest problem is their phones are very expensive which is why their global market share is falling. They also don't have 100% of the carriers offering the iPhone on their networks.
    lol....WRONG!
    First of all the highest consumer satisfaction numbers belong to NOKIA!Nokia Customers Satisfaction Get High Scores With 21% above average | Zeverse
    Nokia rates high in customer satisfaction survey, beating Apple, Samsung, HTC

    Secondly if you think that the US market makes a big difference than you are kidding yourself. The US is only a fraction of true marketshare.

    It's just copying android with its widgets and so on
    And the multicolor polycarbonate iPhone isn't a imitation of Nokia? People wake up!!!
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    09-12-2013 09:08 AM
  12. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    lol....WRONG!
    First of all the highest consumer satisfaction numbers belong to NOKIA!Nokia Customers Satisfaction Get High Scores With 21% above average | Zeverse
    Nokia rates high in customer satisfaction survey, beating Apple, Samsung, HTC

    Secondly if you think that the US market makes a big difference than you are kidding yourself. The US is only a fraction of true marketshare.


    And the multicolor polycarbonate iPhone isn't a imitation of Nokia? People wake up!!!
    Apple's iPhone dominates for 9th straight win in JD Power customer satisfaction survey

    Apple iPhone picked top smartphone for customer satisfaction in Korea

    Apple Still Tops in Cellphone Customer Satisfaction, but Losing Ground to Samsung and Others - Mac Rumors

    Press Release Smartphone Brands 2013 - American Customer Satisfaction Index

    My point? Data can be found to support any claim...Know what I mean?
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    09-12-2013 09:47 AM
  13. Davyo's Avatar
    Ok,,,,,, as the OP of this thread I have re-thought my original thought of thinking of getting the 5s or not and this is what I think I am thinking

    I think I will have a change of heart and get the 5s,,,, the main reason, the camera.

    I sure will miss the screen real estate of my GS4 and the LED notifications and a whole bunch of other cool stuff my GS4 does,,, it's just that the camera in the 5s is pretty darn cool,,,,, and I think I have gotten over the desire to throw-up in my own mouth over the new 5s colors,,,, the Space Gray is looking better than my first impression and the new Apple black thin case should make me happy.

    Other reasons,,, I'm heavy into iMovie with my ipad 2 and Mini and do lots of video editing for business purpose's so it kinda makes sense to use an iphone to shoot with since everything will work seamlessly and faster format wise with iMovie,,,,,, plus, I'm REALLY wanting the ipad 5 in a big way,,,,from all the rumors I have read it looks like it might be the killer ipad,,, even just going by the leaked thiner bezel and smaller form factor images,,,,, I love the form factor of my ipad mini,, a full sized version of the mini would be very cool.

    Geeze,,,,, and since I'm a tech geek and have that have to have it now mentality I might even go do the wait in line thing on the 20th,,, new toys sure are fun,, both Android and Apple.

    But I will keep praying to the phone gods for Apple to kick out a bigger than 4" display,,, Apple really does need to offer more than one size of a display as one size does not fit all.

    See ya all in line on the 20th.

    Cheers
    Davyo
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    09-12-2013 09:49 AM
  14. ejb222's Avatar
    Ok so a couple of quick notes...the JD Power link is a study of people with first time use...Not sure that it is an accurate depiction of the average consumer to begin with. The other issue with the talk of consumer satisfaction is that is seems there is no consistant measure. There isn't even any consistancy in the results. The only consistancy that any of the studies agree on is that Apple, Samsung, Nokia are all in the top of the class and are neglegable percentage points away from each other.

    So yes data can be found to support any claim...I guess I was originally refuting a statement with not data presented to support it...like in another thread where someone claimed that when Siri was released nothing could touch it. I almost pulled all the hair out of my bald head. I prompty presented a video of how Tellme could conduct facebook chats, true hands free texting, and launch app; all of which Siri could not do. While Siri is astounding in it's comunication and language interpretation, to say that there was NO competition even close was by far a falacy.
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    09-12-2013 10:46 AM
  15. dc9super80's Avatar
    People keep saying that this is all evidence that Steve Jobs isnt around. Question, what changes were made to the iPhone line while Steve Jobs was around, other than the first iPhone, that was so mind blowingly innovative?

    What do you guys want from an iPhone so as to be able to call it innovative? What features do you want from the GS4? Or the HTC One? Do you want youtube to stop when you look away by any chance? Or Air Gestures? I dont and I hope Apple never does things like that. I get the feeling people are just complaining for complaining sake. We got a fingerprint reader, a new 64bit processor, an awesome camera (probably going to be the best out there), a new OS (iOS will not become Android so something things people ask for are ridiculous). I think this was a substantial update considering it was an "s" update. I doesnt mean we all have to rush out and buy the new phones. If we are happy with out 5s and 4ss then so be it.

    I have a Nexus 7, and I think Android is cool, but I still prefer iOS. If you dont like the OS then change and stop using "lack of innovation" as an excuse. Your taste and / or needs have changed. Thats all.
    09-12-2013 11:14 AM
  16. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Ok so a couple of quick notes...the JD Power link is a study of people with first time use...Not sure that it is an accurate depiction of the average consumer to begin with. The other issue with the talk of consumer satisfaction is that is seems there is no consistant measure. There isn't even any consistancy in the results. The only consistancy that any of the studies agree on is that Apple, Samsung, Nokia are all in the top of the class and are neglegable percentage points away from each other.

    So yes data can be found to support any claim...I guess I was originally refuting a statement with not data presented to support it...like in another thread where someone claimed that when Siri was released nothing could touch it. I almost pulled all the hair out of my bald head. I prompty presented a video of how Tellme could conduct facebook chats, true hands free texting, and launch app; all of which Siri could not do. While Siri is astounding in it's comunication and language interpretation, to say that there was NO competition even close was by far a falacy.
    Exactly, and I do understand what you're saying. As for the bald comment, I LMAO because I can relate to being bald....but back to the data support stuff, there are occasions when that data is generally important, and there are occasions when it is not. In this regard, at least in my opinion, it is not important because buying products by Apple, Nokia, Blackberry, Samsung or whomever is based largely on personal choice. It doesn't matter to me that Company A is ranked second in sales behind Company B. I am interested in the device that Company A is selling. In regard to customer service, if Company A is ranked 3rd on a list of 10 or more, I take that as a positive. Know what I mean? I like what I like and I buy what I like, and I could care less if others do not, but that's Just Me, D... -- Respectfully, of course.
    Last edited by JustMe'D; 09-16-2013 at 07:51 AM.
    09-12-2013 11:21 AM
  17. Eileen89's Avatar
    Thread cleaned. Everyone, please stay on topic and keep this discussion friendly. If you don't like the topic please move on to another one. Thank you.


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    09-12-2013 01:09 PM
  18. yzjustdatguy's Avatar
    lol....WRONG!
    First of all the highest consumer satisfaction numbers belong to NOKIA!Nokia Customers Satisfaction Get High Scores With 21% above average | Zeverse
    Nokia rates high in customer satisfaction survey, beating Apple, Samsung, HTC

    Secondly if you think that the US market makes a big difference than you are kidding yourself. The US is only a fraction of true marketshare.


    And the multicolor polycarbonate iPhone isn't a imitation of Nokia? People wake up!!!
    You don't say? Take a look at this I was going to come back to iPhone, but after today I'm re- thinking that !!!-bt1vv5miaaabf8h.jpg-large.jpeg
    09-12-2013 01:25 PM
  19. ADGrant's Avatar
    lol....WRONG!
    First of all the highest consumer satisfaction numbers belong to NOKIA!Nokia Customers Satisfaction Get High Scores With 21% above average | Zeverse
    Nokia rates high in customer satisfaction survey, beating Apple, Samsung, HTC

    Secondly if you think that the US market makes a big difference than you are kidding yourself. The US is only a fraction of true marketshare.


    And the multicolor polycarbonate iPhone isn't a imitation of Nokia? People wake up!!!
    You are not citing a proper survey. I'm referring to the JD Power survey.

    The US market is significant because it is dominated by high end phones bought on contract and significant market share in the US is sufficient to ensure a well stocked App Store.
    09-15-2013 05:48 PM
  20. baseballbert's Avatar
    Exactly, and I do understand what you're saying. As for the bald comment, I LMAO because I can relate to being bald....but back to the data support stuff, there are occasions when that data is generally important, and there are occasions when it is not. In this regard, at least in my opinion, it is not important because buying products by Apple, Nokia, Blackberry, Samsung or whomever is based largely on personal choice. It doesn't matter to me that Company A is not ranked second in sales behind Company B. I am interested in the device that Company A is selling. In regard to customer service, if Company A is ranked 3rd on a list of 10 or more, I take that as a positive. Know what I mean. I like what I like and I buy what I like and I could care less if others do not, but that's Just Me, D... -- Respectfully, of course.
    How dare you interject logic and reason into an interwebs forum!!!! :-)
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    09-16-2013 02:03 AM
  21. Davyo's Avatar
    Well, as the OP of this thread here is the latest,, as I posted, I was not going to get the 5s then had a change of mind,,,, got the 5s, loved the camera like I figured I would (the main reason for going from my GS4 to the 5s) but tonight I returned the 5s and went back to my GS4.

    In my absence from owning an iphone and going to Android I had forgotten how limited the iphone has become compared to my GS4 these days,,,, I know I'm guna get flamed or called a troll but so be it.

    The iphone 5s is a great camera but that's about it,,,,,, never say never but I think I'm done with iPhones for good now,,,,,, I still love my iPads and all of the great apps for iOS, especially iMove for the ipad,,,, but for a phone I'm sticking with Android.

    For me I think Samsung/Android has just passed up Apple on so many levels phone wise and it took me going back to an iPhone to realize that

    Cheers
    Davyo
    09-22-2013 01:07 AM
  22. anon5664829's Avatar
    Well, as the OP of this thread here is the latest,, as I posted, I was not going to get the 5s then had a change of mind,,,, got the 5s, loved the camera like I figured I would (the main reason for going from my GS4 to the 5s) but tonight I returned the 5s and went back to my GS4.

    In my absence from owning an iphone and going to Android I had forgotten how limited the iphone has become compared to my GS4 these days,,,, I know I'm guna get flamed or called a troll but so be it.

    The iphone 5s is a great camera but that's about it,,,,,, never say never but I think I'm done with iPhones for good now,,,,,, I still love my iPads and all of the great apps for iOS, especially iMove for the ipad,,,, but for a phone I'm sticking with Android.

    For me I think Samsung/Android has just passed up Apple on so many levels phone wise and it took me going back to an iPhone to realize that

    Cheers
    Davyo
    To each there own. I personally was happy with Android yes, but I missed the smaller size and the way the iPhone worked so much better with NY Mac and iPad.

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    09-22-2013 01:20 AM
  23. thatgirl87's Avatar
    You can't please everybody. I like the iPhone 5S. I love the home button change and the dual camera flash.


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    09-22-2013 03:19 AM
  24. BLiNK's Avatar
    some people are truly NEVER 100% happy. i guarantee even the full blown android loyalists have a small list of things they dislike about their precious device.
    they will never admit it publicly anyways and just continue to come to places, like this, trying to convince us that they have been SO happy since they switched

    ok... we get it
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    09-22-2013 05:12 AM
  25. anon5664829's Avatar
    some people are truly NEVER 100% happy. i guarantee even the full blown android loyalists have a small list of things they dislike about their precious device.
    they will never admit it publicly anyways and just continue to come to places, like this, trying to convince us that they have been SO happy since they switched

    ok... we get it
    You are back?

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    09-22-2013 05:41 AM
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