1. dkhmwilliams's Avatar
    I actually still have my 4S from Nov.2011, and I'm just considering upgrading to the 5C next month. I'd like to, but at the same time I'm on the fence about it because I love my 4S, it runs flawless and iOS7 just made it that much more great to me for my needs SO, come next month I may just by-pass upgrading again (as did the 5) and wait till next year for the next new phone....idk. I'm not under any pressure to jump because I'm in a happy place right now
    This is a terrific response. I wish I were more like this, but I'm learning. Upgrading only when you need to is the most sensical and cost effective approach. I want to hang onto my 5 until I absolutely feel like I need to upgrade.
    10-02-2013 06:26 AM
  2. swarlos's Avatar
    This is a terrific response. I wish I were more like this, but I'm learning. Upgrading only when you need to is the most sensical and cost effective approach. I want to hang onto my 5 until I absolutely feel like I need to upgrade.
    I would have did the same but the iPhone is awesome in that it's resale value stays so high. I came back to iOS just last year so I was hyped for the 5S and I'll upgrade next year to the 6 but then keep the 6 till the 7 comes out.


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    10-02-2013 06:51 AM
  3. mynameis's Avatar
    One thing I noticed.
    Droid- software updates spotty, unless nexus. So more smart in a way, want the newest software buy newer phone.
    Apple- push ios7 sure free, but it makes the 4 unusable.

    So bottom line droid puts software that works smoothly with hardware. Apple just says haha, like running windows 7 on a laptop that had XP original.


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    Apple obviously wants you to buy their newest and greatest "shiny" items. The 4 is an old phone anyway. Most people that have iPhones, I'm sure have a 5 or newer. Now, there are probably a lot of people that have 4S, 4's, and even the 3GS. But those phones are years old and can't run iOS 7.

    I never got the update as quickly whenever I had any of my androids. It seemed as if some phones would get them and some wouldn't. Or at least there were different dates for different phones and carriers. Apple makes it simple. They made iOS 7 OTA for everybody and it was simply a click of a button for me. Then I had to wait nearly 5 hours, but it eventually got there.
    10-02-2013 07:49 AM
  4. mynameis's Avatar
    I would have did the same but the iPhone is awesome in that it's resale value stays so high. I came back to iOS just last year so I was hyped for the 5S and I'll upgrade next year to the 6 but then keep the 6 till the 7 comes out.


    Carried by a raven from the Wall.
    Exactly what I said in a different thread. I'll never upgrade to "S" devices. The next numbered iPhone will have design changes, hardware changes, everything. At least they have in the past. I wasn't even excited for the new iPhones to come out. I was just looking forward to iOS 7. Now I just have a whole other year to wait for the 6 and iOS 8.
    10-02-2013 07:51 AM
  5. jorbjorb's Avatar
    Android stink
    10-02-2013 10:33 AM
  6. LazyStarGazer's Avatar
    Android stink
    Thanks for adding your synopsis to the discussion. I'm sure we'll be analyzing your post for days.
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    10-02-2013 11:23 AM
  7. anon5664829's Avatar
    Android stink
    Because you haven't used it. At all.

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    10-02-2013 04:06 PM
  8. _X_'s Avatar
    Thanks for adding your synopsis to the discussion. I'm sure we'll be analyzing your post for days.
    For sure. I'm still trying to figure out how the poster couldn't get their grammar right whist only two words.
    10-02-2013 04:58 PM
  9. _X_'s Avatar
    Honestly I think updates are over rated. I'd much prefer to have a device with older software that works great, than older hardware with performance issues.

    With any platform it's a crapshoot whether the upgrade will be better or cause more problems.

    My wife refuses to upgrade regardless if it's an os update or an app. I laugh at her behavior, but then again she never complains about performance issues.
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    10-02-2013 05:03 PM
  10. iEd's Avatar
    When I had Android only because I left ATT and Sprint did have the iPhone at the time. The update experience was horrible. I had the EVO 3D that shipped with Gingerbread and was supposed to be optimized to run Ice Cream Sandwich but it took over a year for the EVO to get the update by that time I was back on IPhone.
    I was back on iPhone for months and would peep in the Android forums and folks were still waiting for Ice Cream Sandwich . By the time they got Ice Cream Sandwich the EVO 3D was EOL. Time period 1 year.
    So then a person is kinda forced to upgrade the phone. Someone using a 3GS since 2009 maybe in that position now after 4 plus years.



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    10-02-2013 07:20 PM
  11. Alik Malix's Avatar
    Someone using a 3GS since 2009 maybe in that position now after 4 plus years.
    <--Right here, my last update for my almost 5 year old 3GS was 6.1.3 and that was current right up to a few weeks before iOS 7 release... Thru its lifetime, the updates added 85% of new software, and abilities of what the entire OS offered when I bought it. With 64bit processor, iPhone 5S is going to be my next 5 year phone...
    10-04-2013 02:18 AM
  12. jburke82's Avatar
    For sure. I'm still trying to figure out how the poster couldn't get their grammar right whist only two words.
    Haha. A simple little "s" placed at the end of either word would have made the statement coherant!
    10-04-2013 11:07 AM
  13. mulasien's Avatar
    I can t ell you all of my friend's one year old Android devices are up to date. And my 2 year old device is up to date.
    Maybe the original question should be rephrased: Is your non-Nexus Android device up to date?

    The only non-Nexus Android devices I ever saw getting updated in a semi-timely fashion were Asus wifi tablets (TF300, etc). I had a TF300 for about a year and was pleasantly surprised at how quickly it got new updates.

    My AT&T Galaxy S2, on the other hand, was the opposite story. It got 4.0 a good 8 months after it came up, and didn't get 4.1 until a FULL FREAKING YEAR after it was released. Even better, when 4.0.4 was pushed out for the phone, it introduced a very widespread bug where the phone would often not wake from sleep without a hard reboot. Took AT&T 3 months to admit there was an issue, and another two more months to actually push an update out (I put CM 10.1 on it way before they finally pushed it out).

    That's the problem with Android, IMHO. If your phone doesn't get updates in a timely manner, or has different quirks, the response on the Android boards are "oh, you got the WRONG Android phone, you should have gotten THIS phone instead (usually a Nexus). It works great while this one is crap." Either that or "put a custom ROM on it." Someone who already isn't a PhD in Android expertise has to spend way too long doing research to make sure they get the 'right' phone so they don't get stuck with a never-to-be-updated lemon, or read up on XDA forums to figure out how to ROM their phone without bricking it. I've worked in IT and with tech my entire life, and I found the process confusing and intimidating. Do you think that's an acceptable solution for the average Joe?

    If I can't trust the largest Android manufacturer to update their top of the line flagship phone (at the time) in a timely fashion, and fix phone crippling bugs in less than 5 months, then what hope do I have?

    "But...choices are good! You get more choices with Android vs. just one choice with Apple." - That may be true, however if 95% of those choices are bargain bin garbage, leaving you hoping that you're paying your hard earned money on the 5% of 'choices' that aren't a waste of money...is that really a good thing? At least with an Apple product, you KNOW that you're getting a well made piece of hardware with great software that will actually be supported and updated for several years, even if there's less options to choose from. Finding an Android device with the same level of hardware/software quality and support is like going to a casino.

    And yes, I know the answer for all problems Android are "get a Nexus". I get that. Problem is, if they're the end all be all of solving all of Android's woes, then why does hardly anybody outside of the tech enthusiast community own one? Why does hardly anyone outside of the tech community know that they even exist? Why isn't Google using their hoards of cash to advertise "Hey, these Android phones actually don't suck! You should get one instead of the crap that HTC and Samsung is peddling." And furthermore, if Google wants Nexus devices to be their flagship reference device, maybe they shouldn't make them with mid-tier hardware every year (the display and cameras on the last couple Nexus models have been very middle of the road).

    Before you accuse me of being a blind iSheep. I was a very large Android fanboy just a short time ago, having had both one of their (at the time) top end phones and tablets. I'm pretty well versed on their environment and pros/cons. However, note that I 'WAS' a fan. There's a reason for that. The above is one reason why.
    Last edited by mulasien; 10-04-2013 at 04:24 PM.
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    10-04-2013 03:41 PM
  14. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    @mulasien - nice job giving a well-reasoned, coherent explanation on why you switched from Android to iOS. And without attacking or denigrating the other side.
    10-04-2013 04:04 PM
  15. swarlos's Avatar
    Maybe the original question should be rephrased: Is your non-Nexus Android device up to date?

    The only non-Nexus Android devices I ever saw getting updated in a semi-timely fashion were Asus wifi tablets (TF300, etc). I had a TF300 for about a year and was pleasantly surprised at how quickly it got new updates.

    My AT&T Galaxy S2, on the other hand, was the opposite story. It got 4.0 a good 8 months after it came up, and didn't get 4.1 until a FULL FREAKING YEAR after it was released. Even better, when 4.0.4 was pushed out for the phone, it introduced a very widespread bug where the phone would often not wake from sleep without a hard reboot. Took AT&T 3 months to admit there was an issue, and another two more months to actually push an update out (I put CM 10.1 on it way before they finally pushed it out).

    That's the problem with Android, IMHO. If your phone doesn't get updates in a timely manner, or has different quirks, the response on the Android boards are "oh, you got the WRONG Android phone, you should have gotten THIS phone instead (usually a Nexus). It works great while this one is crap." Either that or "put a custom ROM on it." Someone who already isn't a PhD in Android expertise has to spend way too long doing research to make sure they get the 'right' phone so they don't get stuck with a never-to-be-updated lemon, or read up on XDA forums to figure out how to ROM their phone without bricking it. I've worked in IT and with tech my entire life, and I found the process confusing and intimidating. Do you think that's an acceptable solution for the average Joe?

    If I can't trust the largest Android manufacturer to update their top of the line flagship phone (at the time) in a timely fashion, and fix phone crippling bugs in less than 5 months, then what hope do I have?

    "But...choices are good! You get more choices with Android vs. just one choice with Apple." - That may be true, however if 95% of those choices are bargain bin garbage, leaving you hoping that you're paying your hard earned money on the 5% of 'choices' that aren't a waste of money...is that really a good thing? At least with an Apple product, you KNOW that you're getting a well made piece of hardware with great software that will actually be supported and updated for several years, even if there's less options to choose from. Finding an Android device with the same level of hardware/software quality and support is like going to a casino.

    And yes, I know the answer for all problems Android are "get a Nexus". I get that. Problem is, if they're the end all be all of solving all of Android's woes, then why does hardly anybody outside of the tech enthusiast community own one? Why does hardly anyone outside of the tech community know that they even exist? Why isn't Google using their hoards of cash to advertise "Hey, these Android phones actually don't suck! You should get one instead of the crap that HTC and Samsung is peddling." And furthermore, if Google wants Nexus devices to be their flagship reference device, maybe they shouldn't make them with mid-tier hardware every year (the display and cameras on the last couple Nexus models have been very middle of the road).

    Before you accuse me of being a blind iSheep. I was a very large Android fanboy just a short time ago, having had both one of their (at the time) top end phones and tablets. I'm pretty well versed on their environment and pros/cons. However, note that I 'WAS' a fan. There's a reason for that. The above is one reason why.
    Very well said! Seems that most the Apple haters on the Android side haven't even used or owned an iPhone ever they are the blind followers.


    Carried by a raven from the Wall.
    10-04-2013 04:47 PM
  16. Armada's Avatar
    if Google wants Nexus devices to be their flagship reference device, maybe they shouldn't make them with mid-tier hardware every year (the display and cameras on the last couple Nexus models have been very middle of the road).
    This is the problem I have with your argument. The Nexus line is and always was the spiritual successor to the original Android Dev Phone devices. They are not Google's "flagship" device. That carries a different meaning in tech these days. A flagship is considered to be top of the line hardware; the leader of the pack for an OEM (the GS4, the HTC One, the Moto X, the iPhone 5s). The Nexus is an "ambassador." It is a (relatively) affordable way for an Android developer to get a standards compliant Android device with an up-to-date operating system to test their application on. The Nexus is more for the independent developer, not the large one that can afford many devices to test with. It doesn't need the best hardware because it's not a hardware reference. It's a software reference. I believe many people get that confused.

    The Nexus 7 is the only real exception. It is, in fact, marketed as a flagship. Google uses it as a way to bring users into it's ecosystem. That's why it's actually pretty top-notch and why Google actually pushes it. It was the device that I think caused Apple to follow suit into the "small" tablet realm (well, maybe the Kindle Fire helped too).

    Very well said! Seems that most the Apple haters on the Android side haven't even used or owned an iPhone ever they are the blind followers.


    Carried by a raven from the Wall.
    So, it's wrong and bad to blanket all iMore/iPhone users sheep, but for Android it's fine? Seeing as I kinda pulled that crap and realized how dumb it is I can't defend someone else trying it. EDIT: I get that you're saying that the "haters" have no reason to actually dislike Apple (or have never used an Apple product) but that's still pretty unfair, not to mention a big assumption.
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    10-04-2013 04:47 PM
  17. swarlos's Avatar
    This is the problem I have with your argument. The Nexus line is and always was the spiritual successor to the original Android Dev Phone devices. They are not Google's "flagship" device. That carries a different meaning in tech these days. A flagship is considered to be top of the line hardware; the leader of the pack for an OEM (the GS4, the HTC One, the Moto X, the iPhone 5s). The Nexus is an "ambassador." It is a (relatively) affordable way for an Android developer to get a standards compliant Android device with an up-to-date operating system to test their application on. The Nexus is more for the independent developer, not the large one that can afford many devices to test with. It doesn't need the best hardware because it's not a hardware reference. It's a software reference. I believe many people get that confused.

    The Nexus 7 is the only real exception. It is, in fact, marketed as a flagship. Google uses it as a way to bring users into it's ecosystem. That's why it's actually pretty top-notch and why Google actually pushes it. It was the device that I think caused Apple to follow suit into the "small" tablet realm (well, maybe the Kindle Fire helped too).



    So, it's wrong and bad to blanket all iMore/iPhone users sheep, but for Android it's fine? Seeing as I kinda pulled that crap and realized how dumb it is I can't defend someone else trying it. EDIT: I get that you're saying that the "haters" have no reason to actually dislike Apple (or have never used an Apple product) but that's still pretty unfair, not to mention a big assumption.
    No it's not fine I used to call Apple users isheep when I defected to Android after the 3G. But it seems very fine for many Android users to label us isheep with little to no experience or sometimes in my case of having used an iPhone.


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    10-04-2013 04:56 PM
  18. mulasien's Avatar
    This is the problem I have with your argument. The Nexus line is and always was the spiritual successor to the original Android Dev Phone devices. They are not Google's "flagship" device. That carries a different meaning in tech these days. A flagship is considered to be top of the line hardware; the leader of the pack for an OEM (the GS4, the HTC One, the Moto X, the iPhone 5s). The Nexus is an "ambassador." It is a (relatively) affordable way for an Android developer to get a standards compliant Android device with an up-to-date operating system to test their application on. The Nexus is more for the independent developer, not the large one that can afford many devices to test with. It doesn't need the best hardware because it's not a hardware reference. It's a software reference. I believe many people get that confused.
    Point taken and I agree. However I believe that reinforces my other point. The top end hardware 'flagship' phones aren't Nexus devices (One, GS4, etc). That brings us back to the original question of 'Will those flagship phones be updated a year from now?". Given past history, I don't think anyone can say they'll have the latest version of Android a year from now while keeping a straight face. That's the entire point of the OP. 'Will your (non-Nexus) Android device be up to date a year from now?' I'm going to have to go with 'NO'.

    So it's either get a Nexus phone that will get timely updates, but with lesser hardware (camera is a big one), OR get a flagship phone with the best hardware but you might or might not actually get an update sometime this year - and good luck on the year after that, OR get a Google edition of one of those phones but you have to pay full price (has anyone confirmed if the Google edition phones get updates as quick as Nexus phones?).
    10-04-2013 05:02 PM
  19. Armada's Avatar
    No it's not fine I used to call Apple users isheep when I defected to Android after the 3G. But it seems very fine for many Android users to label us isheep with little to no experience or sometimes in my case of having used an iPhone.


    Carried by a raven from the Wall.
    I don't know, I still feel like that's a misleading perception. Not every iPhone user is an obnoxious hipster. Not every Android user is an obnoxious tech nerd. Sometimes it comes down to an "us versus them" mentality. Like we have to assert that our camp, our device, our operating system, is superior. And then we assert we're superior because we don't blindly follow. We're better than them. By insisting we're better though, we perpetuate that cycle. It's okay to dislike Android. It's okay to dislike iOS or Windows Phone or BB10. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but when it crosses over that point, that's where I have a beef. mulasien's post was his opinion but I think your post reached over into a notion about Android users as a whole.

    I guess maybe I'm getting too worked up about it, eh?

    OR get a Google edition of one of those phones but you have to pay full price (has anyone confirmed if the Google edition phones get updates as quick as Nexus phones?).
    They get updates shortly after the Nexus line. Seems to be a couple weeks, based on the 4.3 update.
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    10-04-2013 05:04 PM
  20. swarlos's Avatar
    I don't know, I still feel like that's a misleading perception. Not every iPhone user is an obnoxious hipster. Not every Android user is an obnoxious tech nerd. Sometimes it comes down to an "us versus them" mentality. Like we have to assert that our camp, our device, our operating system, is superior. And then we assert we're superior because we don't blindly follow. We're better than them. By insisting we're better though, we perpetuate that cycle. It's okay to dislike Android. It's okay to dislike iOS or Windows Phone or BB10. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but when it crosses over that point, that's where I have a beef. mulasien's post was his opinion but I think your post reached over into a notion about Android users as a whole.

    I guess maybe I'm getting too worked up about it, eh?
    I love Android but I just don't feel it's the operating system for me anymore at least till they get the update situation knuckled down.

    I don't want to come off superior because I used Android for 2 years and loved it but I missed my iPhone and I got bored with constantly flashing roms.


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    10-04-2013 05:06 PM
  21. Armada's Avatar
    I love Android but I just don't feel it's the operating system for me anymore at least till they get the update situation knuckled down n


    Carried by a raven from the Wall.
    And that's fine. I feel the same way (at least for devices I can afford on Verizon). I'm not mad, just trying to share some of my thoughts. Sorry if it came off like I was jumping down your throat.
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    10-04-2013 05:09 PM
  22. swarlos's Avatar
    And that's fine. I feel the same way (at least for devices I can afford on Verizon). I'm not mad, just trying to share some of my thoughts. Sorry if it came off like I was jumping down your throat.
    It's all good I did come off kind of douchey too LOL.


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    10-04-2013 05:09 PM
  23. mulasien's Avatar
    And that's fine. I feel the same way (at least for devices I can afford on Verizon). I'm not mad, just trying to share some of my thoughts. Sorry if it came off like I was jumping down your throat.
    It's all good I did come off kind of douchey too LOL.
    Group hug, everyone!
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    10-04-2013 05:16 PM
  24. swarlos's Avatar
    Group hug, everyone!
    👬👭👫


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    10-04-2013 05:26 PM
  25. anon5664829's Avatar
    Group hug, everyone!



    Carried by a raven from the Wall.
    This always happens, there is a "misunderstanding", shots fired then suddenly we are all a big happy family again.

    *Cries* *Joins group hug*
    10-04-2013 09:52 PM
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