1. mayconvert's Avatar
    Are you kidding? They don't even give you the option to turn location services on or off in control center. High end androids like S3, S4, HTC etc have much more toggles that can customize.. But control center is better than nothing at all I guess.
    Why would you need to turn off Location services? iPhone doesn't have massive battery leaks like android. I wouldn't want to continually toggle Loc services on an off every time I wanted to use them. I want to just be there and just work when I ask it to work. ....
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    06-21-2013 01:03 AM
  2. anon5664829's Avatar
    Why would you need to turn off Location services? iPhone doesn't have massive battery leaks like android. I wouldn't want to continually toggle Loc services on an off every time I wanted to use them. I want to just be there and just work when I ask it to work. ....
    Android does NOT have battery leaks.
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    06-22-2013 03:57 AM
  3. Richard Nieves's Avatar
    ok I am going to put my grain of salt from testing it for a while now, I must say I hate the color gamut, seriously looks like finger painting, too bright, the dialer is a joke is just ugly, what the hell where they thinking, I dont like the camera , I mean adding filters was unnecessary because instagram already offers them. Things I do like is that going back from one page to another and transitions, I still prefer IOS 6 from all my testing, browser looks better on IOS 6, even though they tried to make it more simplistic it just overall I think and this is just my opinion, IOS 7 lost its elegance compared to IOS 6.
    I can understand your frustration with the design, but you don't like the camera because it adds the filter features? I don't use Instagram so the filters features is nice and should be in the camera among many more things that should. If you don't like them, couldn't you just not use them or was there something else you don't like?

    I bring this up because you aren't the first person to complain about a feature you didn't personally want and I am just curious as to why having a feature you don't need to use is bad? Some will use it some will not. In my opinion, the more features, the better. I wouldn't say go the Samsung route and just throw everything in they can think of... But it's nice when features are added as options. I personally want default apps!
    06-23-2013 01:43 AM
  4. Richard Nieves's Avatar
    Android does NOT have battery leaks.
    Might have meant memory leaks.

    Regardless in my experience I had way more problems with battery on my android device than on my iPhone, however me and my cousin who also has an iPhone (4) got into an argument in which he doesn't think the iPhone has any bette battery life than android... I disagree.... As long as you close out apps that use heavy amounts of location data (like google maps, ect, and aren't using heavy graphic games throughout the day, the iPhone will easily last a day. I could barely get my android phone to last me a day with minimal usage and I don't know many people (personally) who can. I find the problem is there are always too many things going on in the background because the problem is not usually the usage times, those can be somewhat similar (although its interesting as the iPhones battery is smaller than a comparative sized android phone) its the idle time that seems to vary the most. I can easily get to the end of a day with 80+ percent battery left if I barely use my phone. comparatively, on days with the same or similar usage of my old gs2 I might make it to 30 percent at the end of the day but usually ended up below 20 at the 14 hour mark.

    I also think this can be something to do with the cellular radio and how android manages that? I have no clue, but in my experience the iPhones battery is pretty damn good and I have location services on for whatever apps I want them to be on for.
    06-23-2013 01:57 AM
  5. swarlos's Avatar
    Might have meant memory leaks.

    Regardless in my experience I had way more problems with battery on my android device than on my iPhone, however me and my cousin who also has an iPhone (4) got into an argument in which he doesn't think the iPhone has any bette battery life than android... I disagree.... As long as you close out apps that use heavy amounts of location data (like google maps, ect, and aren't using heavy graphic games throughout the day, the iPhone will easily last a day. I could barely get my android phone to last me a day with minimal usage and I don't know many people (personally) who can. I find the problem is there are always too many things going on in the background because the problem is not usually the usage times, those can be somewhat similar (although its interesting as the iPhones battery is smaller than a comparative sized android phone) its the idle time that seems to vary the most. I can easily get to the end of a day with 80+ percent battery left if I barely use my phone. comparatively, on days with the same or similar usage of my old gs2 I might make it to 30 percent at the end of the day but usually ended up below 20 at the 14 hour mark.

    I also think this can be something to do with the cellular radio and how android manages that? I have no clue, but in my experience the iPhones battery is pretty damn good and I have location services on for whatever apps I want them to be on for.
    Yeah Richard and that's one of the drawbacks to Android fully open nature there's so many tasks going on something as small not turning off Bluetooth can cause a huge battery drain. Androids battery leagues apart compared to iOS especially when you consider that most Android phones come with a 2000mah battery or larger. That's an issue that Google definitely needs to address. With all the Android phones I owned they have never even been able to come close to the battery life on my iPhone 5 especially standby time.


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    06-23-2013 02:11 AM
  6. anon5664829's Avatar
    Might have meant memory leaks.

    Regardless in my experience I had way more problems with battery on my android device than on my iPhone, however me and my cousin who also has an iPhone (4) got into an argument in which he doesn't think the iPhone has any bette battery life than android... I disagree.... As long as you close out apps that use heavy amounts of location data (like google maps, ect, and aren't using heavy graphic games throughout the day, the iPhone will easily last a day. I could barely get my android phone to last me a day with minimal usage and I don't know many people (personally) who can. I find the problem is there are always too many things going on in the background because the problem is not usually the usage times, those can be somewhat similar (although its interesting as the iPhones battery is smaller than a comparative sized android phone) its the idle time that seems to vary the most. I can easily get to the end of a day with 80+ percent battery left if I barely use my phone. comparatively, on days with the same or similar usage of my old gs2 I might make it to 30 percent at the end of the day but usually ended up below 20 at the 14 hour mark.

    I also think this can be something to do with the cellular radio and how android manages that? I have no clue, but in my experience the iPhones battery is pretty damn good and I have location services on for whatever apps I want them to be on for.
    My phone,Nexus 4 is using 324MB RAM right now. out of 2GB. No memory leaks and no battery leaks. However Google hasn't optimised the Nexus 4 as much and I get 5 and a half hours on screen.
    06-23-2013 07:14 PM
  7. kjjb0204's Avatar
    I love that no matter what Apple introduces, to many users, it's like it never existed before and Apple is the holy grail of smartphones. The colors here are from Nexus and the notification/settings features have been on Android for 4 years. Instagram-like camera filters? Uh, Instagram did that first but now its revolutionary because Apple did it. Still going to be a glorified app drawer for launching apps. Multitasking is a straight rip off of WebOS and now Windows Phone.
    06-24-2013 01:56 PM
  8. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I love that no matter what Apple introduces, to many users, it's like it never existed before and Apple is the holy grail of smartphones. The colors here are from Nexus and the notification/settings features have been on Android for 4 years. Instagram-like camera filters? Uh, Instagram did that first but now its revolutionary because Apple did it. Still going to be a glorified app drawer for launching apps. Multitasking is a straight rip off of WebOS and now Windows Phone.
    It's like that with every phone on the market bud...not just the iPhone. Each of them borrow from another OS in some way, and each time, some of the users that prefer that OS think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Trying to pin that squarely and solely on Apple consumers is asinine.
    06-24-2013 02:19 PM
  9. kjjb0204's Avatar
    It's like that with every phone on the market bud...not just the iPhone. Each of them borrow from another OS in some way, and each time, some of the users that prefer that OS think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Trying to pin that squarely and solely on Apple consumers is asinine.
    Yeah, people are passionate about platforms...... It just seems to me that it's worse with Apple compared to BB, Android and WP. Perhaps it's not valid, but when I hear someone say they'll never leave Android it's due to a specific reason or reasons. Like they love the big screen, or they love the widgets or they love the ability to customize. When I hear someone say they will never leave Apple, it's almost always "because it just works" or "because it's the best." Someone says they aren't leaving BB it's because of the keyboard or BBM or something specific. I rarely find an Apple devotee that can even name one thing they like that is keeping them on Apple other than 'it's the best." Certainly would find different answers from people here, but people here are typically more informed about their phone than most non-forum readers.
    06-24-2013 03:35 PM
  10. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    And that may be true in the case of what you've seen, but to be honest...visiting several of the forums for the various kinds of platforms (and especially checking out the sub-sections on Reddit for specific OS's), the same can be said across the board.

    To be honest, there ARE a lot of people who use Apple products who are, quite simply, just satisfied in general with their products, and the fact that they "just work" (at the risk of sounding cliche)...you can't blame them for this, they are just enjoying what satisfies their needs. And in those same scenarios, most of those people do not pay attention to the market like forum users usually do, therefore when a new function comes to the product they love, it kind of IS a new feature that Apple brought to the table, and it never existed to them...you can't blame people for this, I'd say a pretty large portion of any smart phone consumer base never ONCE signs into an internet forum to discuss their product, and they just buy what stands out and works for them the best.
    06-24-2013 03:44 PM
  11. kjjb0204's Avatar
    And that may be true in the case of what you've seen, but to be honest...visiting several of the forums for the various kinds of platforms (and especially checking out the sub-sections on Reddit for specific OS's), the same can be said across the board.

    To be honest, there ARE a lot of people who use Apple products who are, quite simply, just satisfied in general with their products, and the fact that they "just work" (at the risk of sounding cliche)...you can't blame them for this, they are just enjoying what satisfies their needs. And in those same scenarios, most of those people do not pay attention to the market like forum users usually do, therefore when a new function comes to the product they love, it kind of IS a new feature that Apple brought to the table, and it never existed to them...you can't blame people for this, I'd say a pretty large portion of any smart phone consumer base never ONCE signs into an internet forum to discuss their product, and they just buy what stands out and works for them the best.
    Very true. I definitely like toknow about my smartphone options before buying, but there are other things around the house I wouldn't research before buying. Tractor? John Deere. TV? Samsung. Tires? Michelin. We are creatures of comfort.
    06-24-2013 04:41 PM
  12. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    My dad bought a rear projection TV last Xmas on a whim, he went to Best Buy one day and wanted to replace his like decade old RCA projection TV (that still works flawlessly some how lol!), he saw this really nice Mitsubishi tv and saw the features it offered and said he likes the look of a TV in a cabinet vs. a flat panel TV that has to be on a wall or sitting on a shelf. We went to his place and when i saw it, it was a very nice TV but he paid like $1,000 for it with a warranty...when i asked him "Did you research any other TV's?" he went "Nope, this one is perfect for me...I absolutely love it!" and that was that, no muss, no fuss, he was happy and I have to admit, it has a damn nice picture too (and is 60" lol).

    I think it's fair to approach any of these things with a sense of acceptance that most people who buy these things are simply happy to have them, and when new features come to their beloved device, they'll be uniquely excited about it...My dad was freaking out because he could connect his laptop to his TV via HDMI, he was like "Can you believe this TV can do this?", and i just let him enjoy his glory, because why ruin it, ya know? If he was some kind of tech geek or TV snob, sure, we could sit and debate like we do here on the forum, but he's just a near 60 year old guy with a new toy, and damn anyone who would deprive him of that.
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    06-24-2013 05:29 PM
  13. Richard Nieves's Avatar
    Yeah, people are passionate about platforms...... It just seems to me that it's worse with Apple compared to BB, Android and WP. Perhaps it's not valid, but when I hear someone say they'll never leave Android it's due to a specific reason or reasons. Like they love the big screen, or they love the widgets or they love the ability to customize. When I hear someone say they will never leave Apple, it's almost always "because it just works" or "because it's the best." Someone says they aren't leaving BB it's because of the keyboard or BBM or something specific. I rarely find an Apple devotee that can even name one thing they like that is keeping them on Apple other than 'it's the best." Certainly would find different answers from people here, but people here are typically more informed about their phone than most non-forum readers.
    I think for apple it's more of a "package" deal. With android, there is so much variety that you can almost always find what you want. With the iPhone, you have 1 choice. Even the older iPhones are all similar so a specific feature isn't really as easy to pinpoint. There is literally an android phone with almost any feature someone could want.

    I have owned webos, windows phone, android and now an iPhone. I have so say the thing I like the most IS that it just works. I have had lag, battery problems, hardware problems and lack of apps, lack of updates. With my iPhone I don't really have those issues. I can get any app I want (some seem better then their android counterparts or equivalents), my battery last through the day, no lag, no restarts, easy to understand (though I'm a tech nerd so that's never really a problem :-) ). I also know I will get ios 7 in the fall. It just works is honestly a great reason to love anything. It's not about android, apple or blackberry, its about the experience a user wants and what they are willing to sacrifice to get it. Are there people who swear by apple just because its apple? Yes and I have always hated that concept because a name means nothing. If apple owned android and google owned ios I would be on a google phone. if the iphone was the least popular phone but still worked and functioned the same and still had the same quality and support of apps, I would still choose the iPhone.

    As far as the copying goes, its fairly balanced and honestly common. Copying features is inevitable. Think of all the features apple and google copied from palm pilot and windows mobile. Android added multitouch from apple who took it from somewhere else. Apple added folders from android. Android added google now to combat Siri from apple, apple added notifications similar to android. Many android manufacturers blatantly copy the iPhone design (slab with rounded corners simple bezel and trim) apple added panoramas. I know there's more on both sides and honestly neither companies use anything that was not invented before. Both android and apples biggest advantages are taking all the best concepts for a mobile computing device and combining them. I see the copying argument all the time and I don't think it's really as revelant. Android and ios are both great in certain ways. I hope someday either one of them, or someone new takes what's great about both and makes something even better. A super reliable, easy to use highly customizable device with reliable updates, great quality apps, and lots of nifty features.
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    06-26-2013 01:27 AM
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