1. eastbayrae's Avatar
    I agree with all of your points.
    I will digress a little re projectiles.
    Why is it that you can carry a child under 3 years old on your lap without them being strapped in ?
    That is the most ridiculous thing I see happening on a plane. If there is a high speed crash.....you want to see a projectile?
    Where is this allowed? I was under the impression every US state had seat belt laws. ANY parent doing this should be jailed for child endangerment.
    04-06-2013 03:22 AM
  2. Jack Hard's Avatar
    I can fly over 100 flights a year, I think it's more fun to have recently become more anal to make smartphone is turned off. They tell people to "airplane mode" is not good enough. You must be off / disable.
    04-06-2013 03:54 AM
  3. tgp's Avatar
    Why is it that you can carry a child under 3 years old on your lap without them being strapped in ?
    That is the most ridiculous thing I see happening on a plane. If there is a high speed crash.....you want to see a projectile?
    That is technically true, but look at it this way: there are probably lots of families with children <2 years old that would not fly if they had to pay for the extra ticket. The family would drive instead. Flying is statistically many times safer than riding in a vehicle, and I'm sure the statistics include a child sitting on their parent's lap.

    When you look at it that way, the parents should be congratulated for holding the child on their lap on a plane instead of putting them in greater danger by strapping them into their DOT approved car seat in the minivan and hitting the road!

    The FAA has actually used this argument when reconsidering allowing lap children on flights. They decided that not allowing lap children would push families out of planes and onto the road, and they decided to leave the rule as is for now. European airlines use a harness that fastens the child to the parent's seat belt.

    As to the OP, my cousin told me that one time on a flight he was sitting next to a pilot who was deadheading, and they discussed the cellphone rule. The pilot told him that it has little to do with signal interference. It has more to do with distraction, and the fact that cell phone carriers would have trouble tracking the call because of the quick handoffs from one tower to the next. It is my opinion that if there was any chance of interference that cellphones would be confiscated at boarding.
    Last edited by tgp; 04-06-2013 at 02:32 PM.
    04-06-2013 09:03 AM
  4. bunjy's Avatar
    There have been numerous times I've left my phone on during a flight. Obviously, I'm still alive to talk about it. I think these rules will eventually go away.
    04-06-2013 02:20 PM
  5. Nyan_Cat100's Avatar
    I Also think its a conspiracy to get you to pay extortionate amounts for the inflight cabin phones which I haven't seen on any British/Irish aircraft!
    I agree that if there was such a big problem with interference why not confiscate phones at boarding?
    04-06-2013 07:50 PM
  6. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You do it because you're told to, that's why. LOL! It really is as simple as that...if the powers that be told the masses that eating peanut butter on a plane could cause gas within the passenger compartment that may lead to decompression and the loss of lives, a very strong majority would just go with it.

    Think about that the next time TSA tells you the water bottle you just bought from the stand right next to their security checks is illegal to take with you. Always makes me feel warm and fuzzy...and I'm a federal LEO!
    04-06-2013 07:56 PM
  7. jtan99's Avatar
    i always leave my phone on or put it in 'airplane mode'. nothing bad has happened yet and nobody seems to care/notice I think it's just some rules back in the day that they're too lazy to change
    04-06-2013 08:18 PM
  8. ckalli's Avatar
    Because of Crossair Flight 498, 7 passengers and 3 crew dead. it was never officially proven, but the autopilot failed at the same exact time that a passenger got a call on his mobile. the cause of the crash was pinned on pilot error. nevertheless ONE call One failure. that was enough for the FAA to ban it. today's phones are probably a lot safer than those in 2000, but that's not a foolproof plan.. people still use old, cheap phones with poor build quality that could interfere with aircraft systems. There are so many frequencies being used on an aircraf, it would take extensive testing to get an all clear. I dont see this happening in the near future. ipads and non cellular devices maybe. phones i doubt it..
    04-07-2013 03:47 AM
  9. eastbayrae's Avatar
    Avionics have so much shielding nowadays not much interferes with them, it is usually pilot error.
    04-07-2013 04:34 AM
  10. Nyan_Cat100's Avatar
    Because of Crossair Flight 498, 7 passengers and 3 crew dead. it was never officially proven, but the autopilot failed at the same exact time that a passenger got a call on his mobile. the cause of the crash was pinned on pilot error. nevertheless ONE call One failure. that was enough for the FAA to ban it. today's phones are probably a lot safer than those in 2000, but that's not a foolproof plan.. people still use old, cheap phones with poor build quality that could interfere with aircraft systems. There are so many frequencies being used on an aircraf, it would take extensive testing to get an all clear. I dont see this happening in the near future. ipads and non cellular devices maybe. phones i doubt it..
    That could have been an older aircraft with little or no shielding and the components could have generated their own electromagnetic fields which could have interfered with the other components potentially the reason for autopilot failure
    04-07-2013 09:42 AM
  11. Timhewitt's Avatar
    There were a dozen specific actions by the crew that were the cause of the Crossair Flight LX498 crash. None of these had anything to do with a cell phone.

    The cell phone "cause" was entirely speculative.
    04-07-2013 09:50 AM
  12. ckalli's Avatar
    The cell phone "cause" was entirely speculative.
    exactly.. but that was all it took for a blanket ban!
    04-08-2013 12:41 AM
  13. LCW's Avatar
    I've never turned my iphone off on flights. Haven't since my first iPhone in '07. No crashes yet. Nor will there be.
    04-08-2013 04:49 AM
  14. PinkBanana's Avatar
    Mine always gets put into airplane mode and airplane mode remains on until the plane is at a standstill. Only then does it go back into cellular mode.
    04-08-2013 05:45 AM
  15. mulasien's Avatar
    Because of Crossair Flight 498, 7 passengers and 3 crew dead. it was never officially proven, but the autopilot failed at the same exact time that a passenger got a call on his mobile. the cause of the crash was pinned on pilot error. nevertheless ONE call One failure. that was enough for the FAA to ban it. today's phones are probably a lot safer than those in 2000, but that's not a foolproof plan.. people still use old, cheap phones with poor build quality that could interfere with aircraft systems. There are so many frequencies being used on an aircraf, it would take extensive testing to get an all clear. I dont see this happening in the near future. ipads and non cellular devices maybe. phones i doubt it..
    That could have been an older aircraft with little or no shielding and the components could have generated their own electromagnetic fields which could have interfered with the other components potentially the reason for autopilot failure
    And that's why we also have airplane mode.

    Big difference between turning cell radio on, being in airplane mode but still turned on, and having to power off completely.

    I can see the reason for turning the radio off, I can't see the reason for having to be turned completely off airplane mode being sufficient (which would satisfy the above scenario) (also, which I never do anyway).
    04-08-2013 11:16 AM
  16. Nyan_Cat100's Avatar
    exactly.. but that was all it took for a blanket ban!
    If that's true then that proves the FAA were too lazy to properly investigate the reasons and the real reason for that crash could have been easily found out with the flight data recorders (black boxes) which ALL aircraft old and new possess in the tail
    04-08-2013 04:15 PM
  17. _YoKolorMeBadd's Avatar
    Because the *actual* chance of something going wrong is more like 0/100000000. i.e., it ain't gonna happen.

    I have a confession to make, I've had both a tablet and smartphone in airplane mode on every flight I've taken in the past year (about 45). Not once have we crashed.

    There's a reason why the FAA is looking to remove the restrictions, because they're not based on any real facts.
    I always have my phone on airplane mode. Never crashed or anything like that. I think it's just pure bs honestly.
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    04-08-2013 07:31 PM
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