1. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I think this is a very one sided view, not every Apple user is the same and that is why Jailbreak exists. I chane every aspect of my UI, I don't use cookie cutter themes I create my own theme so that it is exactly tailored the way I like it. I do still get bored of elements and change things up once in a while every couple of months. Now after using my iPhone like that using the stock iOS is painful. So I don't think anyone has to use Android to see the benefits of iOS. I also don't think anyone should take iOS as the be all and end all, just because it works doesn't mean there are things that can be even better.

    What would I change, Apple used to be the "Think Different" company, the company that flew the pirate flag above the headqaurters. iOS needs to be more fun, by fun I don't mean laden down with tacky flashing crap. On my iPhone for instance when I get new emails it is a voice "You've got an email". This is more useful to me than buzzing, tones or vibrations because it tells me that I've got an email not a text message, notification, etc. When I get a text message "You've got a text message pick up please". My speaker icon is 3D and much more refined looking than the flat 2D ugly representation used in iOS. It is a small change that fits just right every time I turn the volume up or down. The ability to change the slider from "Slide to unlock" so that it can say more custom things. The ability to have transparent folder icons and also to put icons and folders anywhere on the usable space of the screen. The iPhone has a big beautiful screen and yet it is always cluttered up with crap. I have attached a screenshot of my tweaked homescreen which isn't cluttered with crap but it shows the wallpaper and lets the user enjoy the screen. What is the point of putting a nice wallpaper when you can barely see any of it? I am fully aware of Apple's efforts to keep the UI simple so that it appeals to the broadest of customers. There are ways you can add the functionality and retain the simplicity they just have to figure out how. They could create a more advanced IPSW that is not pushed out but resides on their servers so that anyone advanced enough to download it and install would know how to enable and use some of the customizations available. This is just one example I'm not saying that is what they should do I'm just saying there is a way they just need to figure out what it is.

    I also agree that it would be cool to have even a few nice themes, Apple made that could be aplied through an Apple made app. This would go such a far way of getting a lot of Jailbreakers onto the stock OS. BTW in all the time I have run my theme I have never had constant crashing, batter issues or anything else so themes don't always have to present a system hit.
    How is suggesting people try a different format then come back to iOS to see if they still feel the same a one sided view? It's specifically a multiple sided stance, saying that people need to try out different things before they start wanting complete overhauls. Yes, a jailbreak gives you the ability to essentially turn your iPhone into whatever you want it (including a mirror of an android device), this is a given, and i approached my comment with the idea that a person knew a jailbreak was available to them and they were referring to a native state.

    I jailbreak my iPhone as soon as one is available so i can get some of the tweaks i like...but in no way would i consider them an overhaul or major "change", just little nuances i suppose you could call it. Your statements also seem similar, small changes and "themes" you would apple to the iPhone, nothing major. To be 100% honest, it seems that most people really mean they want widgets on their iPhone when they say that iOS is getting boring, and that is where I'm happy to stand against having them...themes are also on that same level, like putting a body kit on an already sport car, sometimes its done well, most times it looks like crap...
    10-10-2012 10:59 AM
  2. Ipheuria's Avatar
    I said it's a one sided view because I own an iPhone because I want an iPhone. Why do I need to go and spend money to BUY an Android device simply to appreciate iOS? If someone was giving Android devices away for free then hey it'd be cool. I just don't see the need for someone that already owns a phone to buy another phone and then decided that they like iOS and buy yet another phone.

    I see you probably meant it for people who are trying to decide which to get, are tired of using iOS and in that case I agree. My statements seem like little changes because I didn't want to go through every facet of what my custom theme changes. I just presented a few examples of what was changed obviously I can't get into more than the aesthetic mask of the OS so I can't do a complete overhaul. My next points of things I would change was not to say that it would be a complete overhaul it was just to say that Apple doesn't need to do a complete overhaul to make the OS a little more fun and breathe some new life into it. I have used Android in the past and no I would never want widgets don't really see the need but I also wont say that iOS is perfect mobile OS.
    10-10-2012 11:24 AM
  3. John Yester's Avatar
    The day any OS is perfect, is the day companies close their doors and stop developing across the board. Will never happen.
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    10-10-2012 11:39 AM
  4. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    Maybe I should have answered this post like this initially:

    I want Apple to offer users MORE choice when it comes to the iPhone and iPad. Meaning, one should have choices of icon looks, style, etc. I don't for a minute think the UI needs changing per se', I just want more choice for colour, style, icon looks, etc. And no, I refuse to jailbreak. In a way, I feel like Apple is telling me how to make my device look (except for moving icons and wallpapers) and I just have to deal with it. I know they made and tested the device with their version of a 'theme' (i.e. the current layout, etc.) and they know it just works. We know Apple products simply work, but, again, I'd just like more choice(s) - albeit, I'll still have\use an iOS device
    10-10-2012 12:07 PM
  5. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Let us not forget that the people who peruse this forum are a small fraction of the people who actually go out and purchase Apple products. We can be viewed as tech geeks and what many of us may desire to have in regard to Apple's UI may not accurately represent the desires of the masses. When we purchased our Apple products, it is safe to say that the majority of us knew what we were getting. For example, we know that Android offers more customization and settings right out of the box and yet, we chose the iPhone. I agree with Sean that some people just want change but they want it with a company that does not allow for much change. Apple is very specific about what it wants the iPhone to look like and how it wants it to operates. We know this and our choices are clear: accept Apple's vision, jailbreak, use another platform or create your own device.



    Just Me, D
    10-10-2012 12:26 PM
  6. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I said it's a one sided view because I own an iPhone because I want an iPhone. Why do I need to go and spend money to BUY an Android device simply to appreciate iOS? If someone was giving Android devices away for free then hey it'd be cool. I just don't see the need for someone that already owns a phone to buy another phone and then decided that they like iOS and buy yet another phone.

    I see you probably meant it for people who are trying to decide which to get, are tired of using iOS and in that case I agree. My statements seem like little changes because I didn't want to go through every facet of what my custom theme changes. I just presented a few examples of what was changed obviously I can't get into more than the aesthetic mask of the OS so I can't do a complete overhaul. My next points of things I would change was not to say that it would be a complete overhaul it was just to say that Apple doesn't need to do a complete overhaul to make the OS a little more fun and breathe some new life into it. I have used Android in the past and no I would never want widgets don't really see the need but I also wont say that iOS is perfect mobile OS.
    So what you and I were referencing were quite similar, and thus my comment about trying the other formats wasn't really directed at you (or someone who holds a similar opinion like yours). My opinion was directed at those that want an overhaul...a complete change, a complete UI refresh...those people, as i have observed, want all these features and gimmicks you typically find on Android devices (widgets, animated blah blah blah, etc), and in their case, it would be best to try one of those phones out that natively offers them, and then come back to iOS and see if they still want those on the iPhone (my guess is they wont).
    10-10-2012 12:30 PM
  7. Ipheuria's Avatar
    got ya I figured after your response I took it in the wrong way.

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    Let us not forget that the people who peruse this forum are a small fraction of the people who actually go out and purchase Apple products. We can be viewed as tech geeks and what many of us may desire to have in regard to Apple's UI may not accurately represent the desires of the masses. When we purchased our Apple products, it is safe to say that the majority of us knew what we were getting. For example, we know that Android offers more customization and settings right out of the box and yet, we chose the iPhone. I agree with Sean that some people just want change but they want it with a company that does not allow for much change. Apple is very specific about what it wants the iPhone to look like and how it wants it to operates. We know this and our choices are clear: accept Apple's vision, jailbreak, use another platform or create your own device.

    Just Me, D
    I think that we are not such a small fraction anymore. When a JB is released there are millions of users that use it. I also think that by making the devices so mainstream Apple can't hide behind that reasoning anymore. The devices are no longer being used by just a set of people who will understand that it just works and accept it. By making it mainstream you are now putting the device into the hands of users of all types who want different things. Apple might not be willing to make those changes now but at some point change is inevitable and the main point of selling the device is profit nothing else. So I think there will eventually come a time when things in the OS have to change because users are headed in a different direction and failing to change with them is what all the past failed companies have in common.
    10-10-2012 01:21 PM
  8. evorc's Avatar
    got ya I figured after your response I took it in the wrong way.

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    I think that we are not such a small fraction anymore. When a JB is released there are millions of users that use it. I also think that by making the devices so mainstream Apple can't hide behind that reasoning anymore. The devices are no longer being used by just a set of people who will understand that it just works and accept it. By making it mainstream you are now putting the device into the hands of users of all types who want different things. Apple might not be willing to make those changes now but at some point change is inevitable and the main point of selling the device is profit nothing else. So I think there will eventually come a time when things in the OS have to change because users are headed in a different direction and failing to change with them is what all the past failed companies have in common.
    Agreed!
    10-10-2012 04:45 PM
  9. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    As much as we'd like to think the JB group is large, it's still a very tiny fraction of the whole...I'd hazard a guess that more than 70% of iPhone users use their phone just as it is with no jailbreak.
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    10-10-2012 04:50 PM
  10. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    As much as we'd like to think the JB group is large, it's still a very tiny fraction of the whole...I'd hazard a guess that more than 70% of iPhone users use their phone just as it is with no jailbreak.
    Yup. You might find a majority of people who jailbreak their phones when coming to enthusiasts sites such as iMore.
    But, I'd be willing to bet that jailbreaking isn't a very common thing for a general iPhone user. To a degree Apple makes
    products that they not only want me to use, but also my sister and mother. They don't want my mother to open the box
    and already have trouble using the phone. Enthusiasts like all of us here know where to go when we want a little more
    of what the iPhone actually offers. Jailbreak. But my mother ain't gonna know about that. And Apple sure as hell doesn't
    want my mother having a difficult time making her iPhone work.
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    10-10-2012 04:59 PM
  11. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    As much as we'd like to think the JB group is large, it's still a very tiny fraction of the whole...I'd hazard a guess that more than 70% of iPhone users use their phone just as it is with no jailbreak.
    Yup. You might find a majority of people who jailbreak their phones when coming to enthusiasts sites such as iMore.
    But, I'd be willing to bet that jailbreaking isn't a very common thing for a general iPhone user. To a degree Apple makes
    products that they not only want me to use, but also my sister and mother. They don't want my mother to open the box
    and already have trouble using the phone. Enthusiasts like all of us here know where to go when we want a little more
    of what the iPhone actually offers. Jailbreak. But my mother ain't gonna know about that. And Apple sure as hell doesn't
    want my mother having a difficult time making her iPhone work.
    I am definitely in agreement. Heck, the name jailbreak will scare off a majority of iphone users, especially the ones that are not considered tech enthusiasts or techies or tech geeks. We peruse forums such as iMore on a regular basis and associate with others with similar interests, but, we are by no means a majority and I wish I had the numbers to prove it, but I don't so it will remain just an opinion...
    Last edited by JustMe'D; 10-10-2012 at 10:20 PM.
    10-10-2012 05:38 PM
  12. Fit24's Avatar
    Enjoyed the article John. Very informative. Thanks for sharing.
    10-10-2012 10:11 PM
  13. Fit24's Avatar
    I am definitely in agreement. Heck, the name jailbreak will scare off a majority of iphone users, especially the ones that are not considered tech enthusiasts or techies or teck geeks. We peruse forums such as iMore on a regular basis and associate with others with similar interests, but, we are by no means a majority and I wish I had the numbers to prove it, but I don't so it will remain just an opinion...
    IMO that's the attraction for what I believe is the majority of iPhone users including myself. Anyone can use the iPhone. It is easy to understand and operate, and the OS is very stable and familiar. Most if not all of the people I know with iPhones including my family use the device stock.
    10-10-2012 10:30 PM
  14. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    IMO that's the attraction for what I believe is the majority of iPhone users including myself. Anyone can use the iPhone. It is easy to understand and operate, and the OS is very stable and familiar. Most if not all of the people I know with iPhones including my family use the device stock.
    Yep and those of us who are considered enthusiasts, we do a bit more tinkering with our devices than what I believe to be the majority of iPhone users and thus, we may get bored and want to see something different whereas everyone else does the typical stuff; calling, texting, emailing, music & video. They don't spend hours upon hours in tech forums or reading tech news. Heck, they call us for tech related information. Lol



    Just Me, D
    10-10-2012 10:36 PM
  15. nikkisharif's Avatar
    When I 1st got an iPhone, my issue with the UI was the app drawer being my home screen. I have some OCD tendencies and hate clutter so that drove me crazy but as I learned how to change things I figured out how to move all my apps off my 1st screen and only keep what I needed in the dock & I'm very happy with this setup.
    10-11-2012 12:33 AM
  16. evorc's Avatar
    Yep and those of us who are considered enthusiasts, we do a bit more tinkering with our devices than what I believe to be the majority of iPhone users and thus, we may get bored and want to see something different whereas everyone else does the typical stuff; calling, texting, emailing, music & video. They don't spend hours upon hours in tech forums or reading tech news. Heck, they call us for tech related information. Lol



    Just Me, D
    Isn't that the truth. Some don't even bother changing the stock wallpaper. .
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    10-11-2012 03:05 AM
  17. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    The iPhone and iOS on a whole is\was built for the masses. In particular for being ale to pick up and simply use it...

    My wife has had one iPhone or another for 3+ years. Two weeks ago she got a Samsung Galaxy S3 ( she wanted themes and the likes and a bigger screen - don't judge &#128512 I literally had to have a 'school session' to get her up and running (email, Facebook, Twitter, etc. etc.).

    But as most if you know with iOS, even your Grandad or Grandma could pick it up and at least make a phone call without too much of an issue.

    So with that, I totally understand why Apple have simply KISSed (keep it simply stupid) iOS.
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    10-11-2012 04:45 AM
  18. boomhower1820's Avatar
    If Apple doesn't do something with the iOS folks will leave out if boredom. I've had my iPhone for a year. I'll make it to the 6 before abandoning ship but people can only look at the same icon grid for so long.


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    10-11-2012 08:36 AM
  19. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    If Apple doesn't do something with the iOS folks will leave out if boredom. I've had my iPhone for a year. I'll make it to the 6 before abandoning ship but people can only look at the same icon grid for so long.


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    A majority of iPhone owners disagree.
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    10-11-2012 08:42 AM
  20. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    What I want more than themes is to be able to place icons on the screen WHERE EVER I want to, i.e. not being forced to use the 'grid', per se'...
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    10-11-2012 08:49 AM
  21. Fausty82's Avatar
    If Apple doesn't do something with the iOS folks will leave out if boredom. I've had my iPhone for a year. I'll make it to the 6 before abandoning ship but people can only look at the same icon grid for so long.
    Sorry, boomhower... not buying that at all. Apple just sold 5 million units of the iPhone 5 in a week. Add that to the millions of 4s and 4 phones sold ... people aren't going anywhere, except flocking TO Apple. "It just works" trumps a whole lot of stuff.
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    10-11-2012 09:32 AM
  22. ltieperman's Avatar
    There are ways you can add the functionality and retain the simplicity they just have to figure out how. They could create a more advanced IPSW that is not pushed out but resides on their servers so that anyone advanced enough to download it and install would know how to enable and use some of the customizations available. This is just one example I'm not saying that is what they should do I'm just saying there is a way they just need to figure out what it is.
    I agree, and if Apple figures this out...watch out. It is one of the main reasons I have not migrated to an iPhone. People like to say widgets, etc on Android are cheesy, flashy and not necessary at the end of the day, but they can be very functional, making your device operate quickly and efficiently, with access to info instantaneously without having to open the app, etc., and exactly how you want it to in a way that is 100% customizable, with lots of choices. More than widgets, the software we are seeing on the new Samsung Galaxy Note 2 looks amazing, again adding new functionality not seen before on smartphones. I'm not saying these are the things Apple should do, but Apple can and should be interested in doing something to refresh/modernize the OS. RIM/BB missed this boat, and look at them now. Bet they didn't see this coming in 2006/2007 when they were at the top of the mountain.
    10-11-2012 11:42 AM
  23. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I agree, and if Apple figures this out...watch out. It is one of the main reasons I have not migrated to an iPhone. People like to say widgets, etc on Android are cheesy, flashy and not necessary at the end of the day, but they can be very functional, making your device operate quickly and efficiently, with access to info instantaneously without having to open the app, etc., and exactly how you want it to in a way that is 100% customizable, with lots of choices. More than widgets, the software we are seeing on the new Samsung Galaxy Note 2 looks amazing, again adding new functionality not seen before on smartphones. I'm not saying these are the things Apple should do, but Apple can and should be interested in doing something to refresh/modernize the OS. RIM/BB missed this boat, and look at them now. Bet they didn't see this coming in 2006/2007 when they were at the top of the mountain.
    I've asked this before when it was said about the GSIII...but what new software are you seeing on the Note 2? What are you seeing on any of the Android devices that is something Apple should really consider a benefit to their handsets vs. the iPhone?
    10-11-2012 05:18 PM
  24. ltieperman's Avatar
    I've asked this before when it was said about the GSIII...but what new software are you seeing on the Note 2? What are you seeing on any of the Android devices that is something Apple should really consider a benefit to their handsets vs. the iPhone?
    The Pop Up Play feature on the S3 is really the feature I like. It lets you watch HD videos while you surf, email or text all on the same screen at the same time. Is it a feature that everyone wants/needs? Of course not, but it's a cool feature that I, like a lot of people, really like. Again, it's pushing the technology ahead, to see what else can be done.

    For the Note 2, just watch the video and tell me that is not some pretty cool stuff.



    Like I said before, I'm not saying these are the things Apple should do, but Apple can and should be interested in doing something to refresh/modernize the OS. Others are doing it, Apple should be doing their own stuff as well. I would assume they are, but they haven't shown anything very innovative in the OS since the iPhone was introduced 5 years ago.
    10-11-2012 07:01 PM
  25. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    So it seems their whole presentation is around the idea that the phone has an enormous real estate to view things on...ok, so did the last Note, and every tablet on the market...so this one can make calls? You can do the same thing with Skype or any other number of apps on every other smart phone out there just about.

    Idea Sketch...are they seriously trying to push the abilities of a drawing tablet on a smart phone? It's not a terrible idea, but the abilities and detail of that phone are going to be on the level of "Snake" when it comes to comparing it to an actual drawing tablet.

    The Pop Up Play feature on the S3 is really the feature I like. It lets you watch HD videos while you surf, email or text all on the same screen at the same time. Is it a feature that everyone wants/needs? Of course not, but it's a cool feature that I, like a lot of people, really like. Again, it's pushing the technology ahead, to see what else can be done.
    This, in my opinion, is one of the most pointless things I've ever seen pushed as new "tech" since phones became "smart"...so it gives you the ability to watch a thumbnail (or really just have it on the screen since NO ONE will be watching it doing things like texting or emailing), how is this useful? Is it something that might open the door for something legitimate down the road? Sure...maybe, but right now it's just ed (to me).

    Their photo organizing system? It's iPhoto, and looks just as clunky and annoying.

    Initially i thought the ability to do text messaging while having other things on the screen was cool, but then i remembered that BiteSMS has given everyone that ability for years.

    The screen is comically big, and using a stylus? It's like being stuck in the Treo days in my opinion...no thanks. Holding that thing up to your head to make a call looks as ridiculous as holding the iPad up to do the same.

    The rest of it just seemed like the same stuff Samsung has been pushing for a year now...oh well.

    It wasn't all yawn inducing though, the Cropping feature on any page was pretty damn awesome, and i hope that this is integrated into every phone soon. Props to Samsung on that.
    10-11-2012 07:24 PM
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