1. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    LOL, there sure are a lot of self righteous asshats around imore. Someone posts up some frustration and many of you can't do anything but jump the poster's ***.

    Same damn thing happens over at the android sites. I think some of you need to get a life off of these forums and try to have a little understanding.

    It's just a damn phone folks!
    Hypocrite...you're doing the same thing you're condemning people in here for doing.
    10-04-2012 09:24 PM
  2. JHBThree's Avatar
    For data related things, yes it is. The latest reports seem to be saying that recharging is possible without the encryption chip, though.
    No, it isn't. The only function of the chip is to ensure that the correct data is routed through the right pins, regardless of cable orientation. There is no encryption whatsoever.

    Oh come on! seriously? Ok, fine, you got me! I didn't buy the cables at gun point.
    Apple made a proprietary connector instead of using the more widely available, standard micro-USB.
    Unless I am willing to carry around a cable everywhere then I had little choice but to buy Apple's cables.
    MicroUSB is inferior to the 30 pin and lightning. There is a reason that apple chose it, and it has nothing to do with it being proprietary.

    No one even suspected a new connector until the first rumors came out say, 3 months ago. How long am I supposed hold off buying new cables? 6 months? more?
    Uh, no. A different connector has been rumored since before the 4s.
    10-04-2012 09:28 PM
  3. zrxoa1's Avatar
    Hypocrite...you're doing the same thing you're condemning people in here for doing.
    I'm not being a hypocrite. I am not bashing the original poster. I am merely pointing out how many on both forums seem to jump people so quickly.

    Sure, my post was a bit harsh. But I spoke the truth. Everyone gets so riled up over things instead of trying to be helpful.

    I, as many others, should follow that Golden Rule...
    10-05-2012 03:13 AM
  4. briankariu's Avatar
    I agree with the OP.
    First, a disclosure: I have the HTC one X, but that does not mean I haven't owned iPhones before.
    What the OP is saying here is that it's a matter of principle. You just bought $750 worth of hardware, it just seems wrong to shell out even more money just for a cable that is proprietary!! Hell, for that amount, they could as easily give you three or four cables for free!!!
    But the painful thing about the iOS ecosystem is it's cost.
    Everything you buy is absurdly expensive, from the apps to the cases to the charging cables now.
    If most of us sat down to count the amount of dollars we have shelled to apple, we could probably get our son/daughter that car they have been nagging us about
    You see, once we had this problem that every phone you bought came with a proprietary charger, and this proved to be hell if your phone died during the middle of your work day, or on that long trip to some distant relative. Then some of the biggest corporations in the world sat down and came up with a common system called microUSB to make life for everyone easier. Apple missed the memo.
    Point of my rant here is that Apple is taking everyone here for a ride. And the moment you see it, you will be much better off.

    P.S THIS IS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND ANYONE, JUST MY OBSERVATIONS
    10-05-2012 05:12 AM
  5. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I agree with the OP.
    First, a disclosure: I have the HTC one X, but that does not mean I haven't owned iPhones before.
    What the OP is saying here is that it's a matter of principle. You just bought $750 worth of hardware, it just seems wrong to shell out even more money just for a cable that is proprietary!! Hell, for that amount, they could as easily give you three or four cables for free!!!
    But the painful thing about the iOS ecosystem is it's cost.
    Everything you buy is absurdly expensive, from the apps to the cases to the charging cables now.
    If most of us sat down to count the amount of dollars we have shelled to apple, we could probably get our son/daughter that car they have been nagging us about
    You see, once we had this problem that every phone you bought came with a proprietary charger, and this proved to be hell if your phone died during the middle of your work day, or on that long trip to some distant relative. Then some of the biggest corporations in the world sat down and came up with a common system called microUSB to make life for everyone easier. Apple missed the memo.
    Point of my rant here is that Apple is taking everyone here for a ride. And the moment you see it, you will be much better off.

    P.S THIS IS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND ANYONE, JUST MY OBSERVATIONS
    The apps? The apps have remained the same almost entirely across the board...premium games have always had a premium price, but most things are .99. How is that expensive?

    And the cases? The cases have not changed in price AT ALL! I just bought a cheap $5 clear case at radio shack to prevent surface scuffing...when i was at the Apple store, the same InCase cases they had before for the other models were still $30 for the iPhone 5. What's changed?

    No offense, but those of you complaining about this little $30 connector/adapter should probably go look else where for consumer electronics. Maybe the rack of pre-paid phones at your local Walmart? Apple has never been a company that made consumer electronics on a low cost basis, they are the products you WANT vs. NEED...and you pay a premium for that stuff, and yes, that includes the accessories. Get over it.
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    10-05-2012 08:52 AM
  6. briankariu's Avatar
    In-app purchases? Someone just said that they have 600dollars worth of cases.....
    10-05-2012 08:55 AM
  7. Fausty82's Avatar
    In-app purchases? Someone just said that they have 600dollars worth of cases.....
    Prices set for apps, including in-app purchases are set by (wait for it) the APP DEVELOPER. The are not set by Apple.

    And regarding excessive purchasing of cases - some folks have an obsession or fixation. J/K...

    Many times, the price of the iPhone case is directly related to where it is purchased. eBay and Amazon have some pretty good deals on cases. The Apple Store or the carrier stores, not so much.
    10-05-2012 09:09 AM
  8. agentmobile's Avatar
    Look- I don't see what the big hype over $30 is. I don't ever buy cables I just bring my original one around with me I have a socket in my car that it plugs into and then I keep the original socket plugged in my wall at home. I simply unplug the cable and go. The problem that IM having is this stupid lightning cable NOT working. Sometimes I have to unplug and plug my cable in and out like 15 times for it to actually register and start charging/syncing my phone. It's so annoying I wanna pull my hair out I just never know when it's gonna work. So I need to get this one replaced or something because its starting to **** me off. And screw the stupid cable I don't care there is a chip in it to tell it what pins to use that's ed but just how apple pays attention to every little detail, which I guess isn't a bad thing, but it is unnecessary considering the WHOLE WORLD uses micro-USB. Europe got pissed about this new cable because they have those laws about electrical waste and this new cable would've cause a lot of people to waste old cables if it were not for the adapter. I like how the lightning cable looks tho, I just wish it worked ...


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    10-05-2012 09:35 AM
  9. Icyhot1966's Avatar
    I personally HATE MicroUSB. It is worse than the old 30 pin connector. The reason many people have so many 30 pin cables is because Apple didn't change it for 11 years. I have phones in the drawer (dumb phones and smartphones) made by Nokia, Samsung, and LG that all use their proprietary chargers. And from year to year, those manufacturers changed their charging ports, rendering the previous chargers useless. Remember MiniUSB?? That sucked too. Apple kept the same one for 11 years!! But it was time for a change. And they changed it for the better. This was needed for LTE to fit inside the phone. If you prefer your phone to use the old 30 pin connector, might I suggest you stick with the 4S. I personally would prefer LTE. No one is saying rush right out and get 10 cables to replace the ones you have now. Just get a couple, and over time, accumulate more. Easier on the wallet (or purse ladies) that way
    10-05-2012 09:35 AM
  10. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    In-app purchases? Someone just said that they have 600dollars worth of cases.....
    $600 worth of cases is someone with OCD...i don't think I've spent $600 on cases since the first cellular phone i ever owned 14 or so years ago.

    And how do in-app purchases have anything to do with Apple? You want to complain about that? Complain to the developer...although there's really nothing different about what they are doing there vs. what they used to do, which was releasing a new paid version of their games every few months when they would have big updates to the game. To be honest, for the longest time I'm thinking the majority of consumers thought the pricing of the apps was relatively low in the scheme of things, and so what now, you spend another buck or two on in-app purchases on your favorite games? Figure that in with the amount of entertainment time you get with the games...how is that expensive? You probably spend more flushing your toilet every day than you do on in-app purchases, and yet somehow it's an issue?

    The amount of whiney, bleeding heart, cheapskate people that are coming out of the woodwork with the iPhone 5 is just staggering...I've never in my life seen people get so upset over essentially pocket change (all things considered). Come on people! If you want to be this cheap go to your local metro PCS, get yourself some chinese flip phone with a $30/month cellular plan and play snake for the rest of your lives! It's ridiculous!
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    10-05-2012 09:46 AM
  11. ltieperman's Avatar
    The cost a carrier pays Apple for the iPhone starts around $600 or so ($649 to be exact, if I am not mistaken). The cost for Apple to make the iPhone 5 has been calculated at around $170.

    They could easily provide everyone with an adapter at no cost, and still make a crapload off their phones. Even if the carriers are getting discounts for buying tons of iPhones from Apple, say they get a 50% discount, Apple still makes a crapload from each phone sold. It's simply greed, nothing else. If you think otherwise, you're a bit slow. If you are fine with Apple making all this money off you, then go right ahead.

    We all make our own decisions how and where we spend our money. Nobody is forcing you to give Apple your $. They get mine, but very little of it, through iTunes. I buy my music and a few apps from them, that's it.
    10-05-2012 10:09 AM
  12. AndyLu's Avatar
    i gotta pay to play. yeah it sucks but you do what you have to.
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    10-05-2012 10:15 AM
  13. Icyhot1966's Avatar
    The cost a carrier pays Apple for the iPhone starts around $600 or so ($649 to be exact, if I am not mistaken). The cost for Apple to make the iPhone 5 has been calculated at around $170.

    They could easily provide everyone with an adapter at no cost, and still make a crapload off their phones. Even if the carriers are getting discounts for buying tons of iPhones from Apple, say they get a 50% discount, Apple still makes a crapload from each phone sold. It's simply greed, nothing else. If you think otherwise, you're a bit slow. If you are fine with Apple making all this money off you, then go right ahead.

    We all make our own decisions how and where we spend our money. Nobody is forcing you to give Apple your $. They get mine, but very little of it, through iTunes. I buy my music and a few apps from them, that's it.
    It's a good thing oil companies don't make much of a profit off of us or I'd be mad!!!
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    10-05-2012 10:23 AM
  14. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    The cost a carrier pays Apple for the iPhone starts around $600 or so ($649 to be exact, if I am not mistaken). The cost for Apple to make the iPhone 5 has been calculated at around $170.

    They could easily provide everyone with an adapter at no cost, and still make a crapload off their phones. Even if the carriers are getting discounts for buying tons of iPhones from Apple, say they get a 50% discount, Apple still makes a crapload from each phone sold. It's simply greed, nothing else. If you think otherwise, you're a bit slow. If you are fine with Apple making all this money off you, then go right ahead.

    We all make our own decisions how and where we spend our money. Nobody is forcing you to give Apple your $. They get mine, but very little of it, through iTunes. I buy my music and a few apps from them, that's it.
    It's no greed, it's business 101.

    You're obviously not a business owner, or well versed in what it takes to run a successful business. Apple isn't a charity...nor are they in this whole consumer electronics thing to make sure they give us the best deal possible. No (successful) company is. Apple could easily include a lot of things with all of their products that they charge extra for...but why, as a business, would they do that when the stuff flies off the shelves like it's on fire and they still retain top of the market customer satisfaction and loyalty? It's working...has for 5 years now.
    10-05-2012 10:29 AM
  15. ltieperman's Avatar
    It's no greed, it's business 101.

    You're obviously not a business owner, or well versed in what it takes to run a successful business. Apple isn't a charity...nor are they in this whole consumer electronics thing to make sure they give us the best deal possible. No (successful) company is. Apple could easily include a lot of things with all of their products that they charge extra for...but why, as a business, would they do that when the stuff flies off the shelves like it's on fire and they still retain top of the market customer satisfaction and loyalty? It's working...has for 5 years now.
    I don't disagree it has been working for them, but I think it's greed. Same with oil companies and plenty of other companies all over the world. Just my opinion, nothing more. Obviously I am not that bothered by it, I give Apple and oil companies my money. I have no problem with people paying for whatever they want to spend their money on, it's not my choice to make. I would never tell people how to spend their money, and I don't want anyone telling me how to spend my money. Choice is a good thing.

    And you know nothing about me and what I know or do related to business, don't assume you do.
    10-05-2012 10:52 AM
  16. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I don't disagree it has been working for them, but I think it's greed. Same with oil companies and plenty of other companies all over the world. Just my opinion, nothing more. Obviously I am not that bothered by it, I give Apple and oil companies my money. I have no problem with people paying for whatever they want to spend their money on, it's not my choice to make. I would never tell people how to spend their money, and I don't want anyone telling me how to spend my money. Choice is a good thing.

    And you know nothing about me and what I know or do related to business, don't assume you do.
    Your stance on Apple being greedy explains all i would ever need to know about what you know concerning business. There's no assumption about it.

    Supply and demand is the basis for business, and you don't make optimal profits on your products by giving money away that is assured to come through selling something people will buy in droves. You have a choice...you can choose to buy the accessory or not, in fact, you have a multitude of choices...you have 3rd parties making knock off accessories with the same performance, you obviously have Apple offering the product and then of course you have the choice to not buy any of it at all and either deal with what comes with the iPhone or go with another product that suits your needs better.

    You said that it is your opinion that Apple's choice in this matter is from a pure greed stand point, and that's just asinine.
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    10-05-2012 11:02 AM
  17. ltieperman's Avatar
    Your stance on Apple being greedy explains all i would ever need to know about what you know concerning business. There's no assumption about it.

    Supply and demand is the basis for business, and you don't make optimal profits on your products by giving money away that is assured to come through selling something people will buy in droves. You have a choice...you can choose to buy the accessory or not, in fact, you have a multitude of choices...you have 3rd parties making knock off accessories with the same performance, you obviously have Apple offering the product and then of course you have the choice to not buy any of it at all and either deal with what comes with the iPhone or go with another product that suits your needs better.

    You said that it is your opinion that Apple's choice in this matter is from a pure greed stand point, and that's just asinine.
    We disagree, no big deal. They definitely have a choice whether or not to charge people for an adapter. They definitely have a choice what price point to set for their all of their products. Sometimes, call me crazy (or asinine , but sometimes giving stuff away (like an adapter) for free actually earns you MORE business down the road, and earns you stronger customer loyalty. Apple can afford to make these kinds of choices, but they don't. They choose to make as much money as they can get away with, until the cash flow slows down, which it will at some point. It always does. They choose not to drop the price of their products because people continue to pay (for now). Can they still make a ton of money if they drop their prices now and then? Of course, it would hardly be a blip on their revenue sheet. Would that possibly bring in more customers in the long run? Most likely.
    10-05-2012 11:24 AM
  18. Apple4ever2011's Avatar
    iPhone 5 64GB....423$....AppleCare+ 99$....OtterBox Defender Case 50$....extra Cable 19$....Adapter 29$... For a whopping 620$ Total..... Apple didn't ask me to buy anything....AT&T didn't coerce me in signing a new contract. I didn't have to put off paying bills for a phone. It's was my own free will that made me stay up and Pre-order my Awesome iPhone 5...I saved up ahead of time. I watched press conferences where they announced price of new cables. I wasn't shocked to find out...it's called being an educated consumer. Corporate greed didn't overpower me to buy a phone. You have to pay to play.... You want to roll like a Boss...pay the costs.... Everyone that's upset with the price of everything related to said phone can return it. Apple will be more than Happy to take it back. Save yourself the stress of having to deal with it. There are plenty of affordable phones available...with micro USB cables.. Mini USB.. Whichever you may feel comfortable with.... iPhone 5 or iOS ecosystem might not be for you. I hear there are plenty of free subpar apps on other phones...
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    10-05-2012 11:33 AM
  19. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    We disagree, no big deal. They definitely have a choice whether or not to charge people for an adapter. They definitely have a choice what price point to set for their all of their products. Sometimes, call me crazy (or asinine , but sometimes giving stuff away (like an adapter) for free actually earns you MORE business down the road, and earns you stronger customer loyalty. Apple can afford to make these kinds of choices, but they don't. They choose to make as much money as they can get away with, until the cash flow slows down, which it will at some point. It always does. They choose not to drop the price of their products because people continue to pay (for now). Can they still make a ton of money if they drop their prices now and then? Of course, it would hardly be a blip on their revenue sheet. Would that possibly bring in more customers in the long run? Most likely.
    They can barely keep up with the customers they have now (and in some markets can't keep up at all)...and this isn't a fluke one time thing, this is EVERY...SINGLE...TIME they release something new (Macbook, iPad, iMac, iPhone, iPod). They literally have to race for weeks after a launch just to keep shelves full...and on top of that, they know that the accessories are going to sell too, because the products are selling so well. Why would they want to put a dent in revenue by giving something away that people are going to buy regardless? Business 101 man...you're approaching this from a consumer standpoint, i can respect that, but don't assume that businesses approach their profit margins from the same stance, that is what i find so ridiculous. This is a business, they are trying to make money...they just happen to keep their customers happy and eager to buy their products more than 99% of the companies in the world at the same time.

    I mean take the "antenna gate" issue they had with the iPhone 4...you want to talk about greed? What would other companies have done in the same situation as Apple if people started complaining about an extremely hit or miss antenna "problem", they would have laughed their asses off all the way to the bank while you figured out what to do. Apple gave away free cases...and not just cases they made themselves (bumpers i should say), but cases from other companies...they gave away MILLIONS of dollars worth of cases just to appease the hordes that were saying their iPhone 4 was "substantially effected" by the antenna issue (which was complete horsesh*t to add).

    Or how about the customer service you get from Apple? People taking back iPhone's that they've treated like total crap and telling them that their phone had some mysterious issue and Apple 9 times out of 10 just replaces it and moves on. Greedy? lol, you're SOL trying to do that pretty much anywhere else. They'd look at you, look at your phone and hand you a map to the exit door.
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    10-05-2012 11:51 AM
  20. ltieperman's Avatar
    Business 101 man...you're approaching this from a consumer standpoint, i can respect that, but don't assume that businesses approach their profit margins from the same stance, that is what i find so ridiculous. This is a business, they are trying to make money...
    Again, you are assuming way too much about where I am coming from. Profit and greed are two different things. That's Life 101. "The Universe is bigger than our views of it". Thoreau. Anyway, thanks for the banter!
    10-05-2012 12:07 PM
  21. Peligro911's Avatar
    Those cables are flying off the shelf I have bought 8 so far they had a shelve full I go back the next day and they are sold out although the price is high its obviously not too high cause people would be not be paying for it.
    10-05-2012 12:26 PM
  22. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Again, you are assuming way too much about where I am coming from. Profit and greed are two different things. That's Life 101. "The Universe is bigger than our views of it". Thoreau. Anyway, thanks for the banter!
    I'm really not assuming anything...you're approaching the situation as a consumer, I'm looking at it from the stance of a business trying to make money, which is what businesses do. It's not assuming, it's understanding.
    10-05-2012 12:30 PM
  23. ltieperman's Avatar
    I'm really not assuming anything...you're approaching the situation as a consumer, I'm looking at it from the stance of a business trying to make money, which is what businesses do. It's not assuming, it's understanding.
    OK, I don't think you truly understand, but that's ok. You will one day.

    ---------- Post Merged at 12:56 PM ---------- Previous Post was at 12:47 PM ----------

    Or how about the customer service you get from Apple? People taking back iPhone's that they've treated like total crap and telling them that their phone had some mysterious issue and Apple 9 times out of 10 just replaces it and moves on. Greedy? lol, you're SOL trying to do that pretty much anywhere else. They'd look at you, look at your phone and hand you a map to the exit door.
    BTW...Apple can afford to hand out new phones because they only cost $160 some dollars to make. By giving a customer a second phone for "free" they have still made money off the original device they sold to you or the carrier at over $600 or so. And if they can afford to give away phones that cost them $160 to make, why not include an adapter with the new phones that probably cost less than $10 to make? Just asking.
    10-05-2012 12:56 PM
  24. zrxoa1's Avatar
    Gee Sean, you sure seemed like you were happy to order those $10 adapters, yet call us names for complaining about the price Apple wants...

    http://forums.imore.com/showthread.php?t=241009

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    10-05-2012 01:02 PM
  25. ibanana's Avatar
    No one is forced to purchase additional cables, car chargers, iHome docks, numerous cases, or apps.

    People buy them for convenience or the fact that they WANT them.

    I have an iHome I got when I had the iPhone 4. I haven't bought an adapter yet mainly because I haven't been to the apple store since I bought my phone, but really I don't NEED it. I do plan on buying one when I do go there today though.

    I have one cord. I charge my phone at night and then I take it to work with me and charge when I need it there. It does kind of suck if I forget it, and that's why eventually I will buy one for work.

    I love that once you buy an App you can add it to any of your iDevices. That helps because I do have an iPad and I share my account with my dad who has an iPod and will have an iPhone. In-app purchases are optional. You don't have to buy them you choose to.

    As for cases...I love cases for my phone. I bought a $40 speck case at the AT&T store last week because I knew I was going to an outdoor concert this past weekend and wanted to protect my phone in case I dropped it (I am known for it when I am drinking) this was a choice I made. Do I really want to spend $40 on a case? Of course I don't but I knew I needed protection from my clumsy self. Since then I have received several cases I bought from Amazon and I actually make my own (If you have a request let me know!!!!).

    You buy a high end device. Expect to pay for high end accessories.
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    10-05-2012 01:05 PM
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