1. kch50428's Avatar
    Well we can just infer since you wont answer the question lol

    Let me. No matter how much one likes and has faith in apple, you have to admit, Apple no longer innovates. All they do now is wait around and see what others do and play catch up. Like the iphone 5 was a 'catch-up' release:

    4" screen (android did years ago with EVO at 4.3")
    LTE (you mean folks been using 3G all the way up to October 2012 lol, thats akin to using dial-up in 2012,unheard of right?)
    faster processor (quad-core is out)
    remember it took them years to figure out how to cut n paste lol?
    facts will show that features they added and called "new" were already out in other systems, such as the invention of pull down notification lol

    So asking what new innovation does Apple bring, i can understand you avoiding the question. iPhone had a lot of first when it first came out.
    If you just came here to troll, you can just stop.

    given your chosen screen name, I think it's not a stretch to presume your mission.

    Go to the forums of Android Central and leave us be.
    Last edited by kch50428; 10-28-2012 at 10:33 PM.
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    10-28-2012 10:14 PM
  2. gvndeb60's Avatar
    Well we can just infer since you wont answer the question lol

    Let me. No matter how much one likes and have faith in apple, you have to admit, Apple no longer innovates. All they do now is wait around and see what others do and play catch up. Like the iphone 5 was a 'catch-up' release:

    4" screen (android did years ago with EVO at 4.3")
    LTE (you mean folks been using 3G all they way up to October 2012 lol)
    faster processor (quad-core is out)
    remember it took them years to figure out how to cut n paste lol?
    facts will show that features they added and called "new" were already out in other systems, such as the invention of pull down notification lol
    Seriously, read my first post. I said they need to continue to innovate bc of how Android closed the gap they used to enjoy.

    As far as features go, you can cram whatever you want into a phone, but if it isn't reliable, what good is it? The S3 was the first android phone I had that I could actually use without constant crashes, hence why I stated that they had closed the gap. Before that, I never had to reboot my phone just to get the camera to work. Granted, that is not entirely Google's fault, they let the manufacturers and carriers dictate when fixes get deployed and put on tons of crap ware that is constantly running and taking up resources.

    Android or Apple is a personal choice. We can go back and forth about this and that all night long, but at the end of the day, as much as I love having a 4.8-5.5inch screen(AMAZING!!) reliability matters the most to me. As far as quad core processors with 2GB of RAM, why does the iPhone 5 out-benchmark all of that. Again, you can put what you want in the phone, but the user experience is what matters. I do not have any hesitation from my phone and everything works. Period.

    It is so funny how many Android trolls show up in this forum.
    10-28-2012 10:19 PM
  3. roll-tide's Avatar
    Seriously, read my first post. I said they need to continue to innovate bc of how Android closed the gap they used to enjoy.

    As far as features go, you can cram whatever you want into a phone, but if it isn't reliable, what good is it? The S3 was the first android phone I had that I could actually use without constant crashes, hence why I stated that they had closed the gap. Before that, I never had to reboot my phone just to get the camera to work. Granted, that is not entirely Google's fault, they let the manufacturers and carriers dictate when fixes get deployed and put on tons of crap ware that is constantly running and taking up resources.

    Android or Apple is a personal choice. We can go back and forth about this and that all night long, but at the end of the day, as much as I love having a 4.8-5.5inch screen(AMAZING!!) reliability matters the most to me. As far as quad core processors with 2GB of RAM, why does the iPhone 5 out-benchmark all of that. Again, you can put what you want in the phone, but the user experience is what matters. I do not have any hesitation from my phone and everything works. Period.

    It is so funny how many Android trolls show up in this forum.
    What's funny to me is how the first time someone mentions something bad about apple, they're automatically labeled a troll..... It was an honest question, one that you still did not answer by the way. No one is trying to start an android vs iphone debate, we have enough of those. I simply asked, since you brought it up, what has apple done on the iphone that has been innovating? That's it... Calm down and answer the question... If you can.
    10-28-2012 10:26 PM
  4. gvndeb60's Avatar
    What's funny to me is how the first time someone mentions something bad about apple, they're automatically labeled a troll..... It was an honest question, one that you still did not answer by the way. No one is trying to start an android vs iphone debate, we have enough of those. I simply asked, since you brought it up, what has apple done on the iphone that has been innovating? That's it... Calm down and answer the question... If you can.
    Wasn't calling you a troll, calm down. Did I quote you in that post? I simply said I wasn't interested in arguing all night. Thanks and enjoy your night.
    10-28-2012 10:33 PM
  5. gvndeb60's Avatar
    just like a lot of people that have replied in here, i have had iphone and android
    im not trolling, i have stayed on topic and within the scope, which is iphone vs S3
    you seem upset because i stated facts

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    so anybody that supports android is a troll? really?

    but what do you mean by reliability? how is the new S3 not a reliable phone? not even trying to be funny, just trying to understand what you mean. What qualifies a phone as being "reliable" ? please, do tell...

    this is a iphone vs s3 topic, so why are yall so suprised at people voicing opinions from both sides?
    Now on to this moron.....yes you are trolling. All 10 of your posts are negative apple. It is ok if you feel that way, but to join a forum with the intent of not bringing anything positive to the conversation is trolling IMO.

    As far as your above question....did you not read my post. I never said the S3 wasn't reliable. I actually said it was the first Android that I had that WAS reliable.

    Sorry for calling you a moron, but IMO people that troll without reading posts are morons. Again, in my opinion, you are obviously going to disagree, but that is why you are here, right?
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    10-28-2012 10:36 PM
  6. roll-tide's Avatar
    Wasn't calling you a troll, calm down. Did I quote you in that post? I simply said I wasn't interested in arguing all night. Thanks and enjoy your night.
    Spunky? Anyway.... Still waiting on an answer, from anyone
    10-28-2012 10:44 PM
  7. JHBThree's Avatar
    It's an honest question...
    It is not an honest question. If you've been paying attention and are looking to participate in a discussion honestly, then you would already know where they've innovated.
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    10-28-2012 10:52 PM
  8. roll-tide's Avatar
    It is not an honest question. If you've been paying attention and are looking to participate in a discussion honestly, then you would already know where they've innovated.
    Lol... Wow. I've been participating in plenty of discussions on this forum, both when I've had iphones and when I've used android phones. The reality is, what androidguy said is true. It was mentioned that Apple innovated with the iphone and I simply would like clarification to that... I haven't gotten it because no one can come up with an answer.
    10-28-2012 10:56 PM
  9. JHBThree's Avatar
    Lol... Wow. I've been participating in plenty of discussions on this forum, both when I've had iphones and when I've used android phones. The reality is, what androidguy said is true. It was mentioned that Apple innovated with the iphone and I simply would like clarification to that... I haven't gotten it because no one can come up with an answer.
    -Widespread use of glass capacitive touchscreens.
    -Multitouch displays
    -High-capacity storage
    -Mobile iTunes
    -On device App Store
    -Quality touch screen music player on a smartphone


    I could go on and on. If you honestly don't know where apple has innovated then you either haven't been paying attention or you're intentionally trolling. Given your prior posts here, the latter seems to be the case.
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    10-29-2012 12:31 AM
  10. roll-tide's Avatar
    -Widespread use of glass capacitive touchscreens.
    -Multitouch displays
    -High-capacity storage
    -Mobile iTunes
    -On device App Store
    -Quality touch screen music player on a smartphone


    I could go on and on. If you honestly don't know where apple has innovated then you either haven't been paying attention or you're intentionally trolling. Given your prior posts here, the latter seems to be the case.
    There it is again, troll... Whatever. Anyway... Yeah ok they innovated... ONCE about 5yrs ago, you just pointed that out yourself. It proves my point, apple has done nothing innovating in the last 5yrs...they shot their wad with the first iphone, and have been doing their own version of what other platforms have been doing for years ever since... Nothing wrong with that, just wanted to point that out since people keep saying apple is an innovator... Yeah they were... Once.

    Now, enough with this troll BS.... I've been a member here for quite some time. I've had the 4 and the 4s and the 5, with some android phones as well. I've never said anything bad about apple that wasn't true... But as its has been said before, even in a thread intended to compare the two, someone says something negative about apple and they're automatically a troll.... We still have iphones being used in this house, that's why I still come here to check things out.
    10-29-2012 05:16 AM
  11. finn5975's Avatar
    I honestly cannot name many things at all that Apple has done with the iphone in the last however many years that I would lable as innovating. But I will say this, after a week of using the S3, I could not get back to my iphone 5 fast enough. A phone can have all of the gimmicks in the world (yes Im sorry, but bumping phones that have to be the same model to share things, face unlock, motion features, pop up play, smart stay, etc are all gimmicks), but when apps are force closing, lag is present, camera lacks, speaker is low, screen is incredibly dim, arguably unusable in daylight, colors are oversaturated, etc etc......I dont see how "innovating" even bears a strong weight in an argument. But, to each there own. I don't and won't get bent out of shape if someone prefers another device to the one I use.
    10-29-2012 07:42 AM
  12. roll-tide's Avatar
    I honestly cannot name many things at all that Apple has done with the iphone in the last however many years that I would lable as innovating. But I will say this, after a week of using the S3, I could not get back to my iphone 5 fast enough. A phone can have all of the gimmicks in the world (yes Im sorry, but bumping phones that have to be the same model to share things, face unlock, motion features, pop up play, smart stay, etc are all gimmicks), but when apps are force closing, lag is present, camera lacks, speaker is low, screen is incredibly dim, arguably unusable in daylight, colors are oversaturated, etc etc......I dont see how "innovating" even bears a strong weight in an argument. But, to each there own. I don't and won't get bent out of shape if someone prefers another device to the one I use.
    Again... I didn't bring it up, just asked for clarification
    10-29-2012 07:54 AM
  13. finn5975's Avatar
    Again... I didn't bring it up, just asked for clarification
    Just commenting in general. I didn't quote you.
    Last edited by finn5975; 10-29-2012 at 09:09 AM.
    10-29-2012 07:58 AM
  14. cardfan's Avatar
    There it is again, troll... Whatever. Anyway... Yeah ok they innovated... ONCE about 5yrs ago, you just pointed that out yourself. It proves my point, apple has done nothing innovating in the last 5yrs...they shot their wad with the first iphone, and have been doing their own version of what other platforms have been doing for years ever since... Nothing wrong with that, just wanted to point that out since people keep saying apple is an innovator... Yeah they were... Once.

    Now, enough with this troll BS.... I've been a member here for quite some time. I've had the 4 and the 4s and the 5, with some android phones as well. I've never said anything bad about apple that wasn't true... But as its has been said before, even in a thread intended to compare the two, someone says something negative about apple and they're automatically a troll.... We still have iphones being used in this house, that's why I still come here to check things out.
    I'm not sure how he pointed that out. He listed the most obvious things you were asking for and said he could go on. Your real question is what has Apple done lately..as in the last few years right?

    iphone 4 brought retina screens. I don't think your android friends were sporting those kind of screens. You had the big crap screens that looked like screen doors after that. Yep, i remember the Evo too. It's only recently that those bigger screens have improved enough to be worthwhile.

    iphone 4S refined the iphone 4 making it much faster with a host of updates including Siri, airplay mirroring, and iCloud.

    iphone 5 brought one of the thinnest, lightest and fastest phones available. Using in-cell tech, Apple created possibly the best quality screen on a smartphone. Only Nokia seems to be innovating to bring better (not your android buddies). iOS 6 included a superior Maps app, improved Siri, and much more integration with Macs. Headset redesigned.

    My question to you is what has Google or Samsung done lately to innovate for smartphones? Besides copy Apple that is.. I'm sure you'll bring up NFC or wireless charging, neither of which are really useful or innovative. MS, with windows 8, is attacking google as well. All those google apps and services are of course available on a windows 8 PC but you have to get past the crap MS is trying to shove down your throat first now. Good luck with that since the start screen is all about Metro apps. How many will start using Bing, IE10, or outlook.com now?

    Perhaps you should troll the windows forums? That's the bigger threat.
    10-29-2012 09:23 AM
  15. roll-tide's Avatar
    I'm not sure how he pointed that out. He listed the most obvious things you were asking for and said he could go on. Your real question is what has Apple done lately..as in the last few years right?

    iphone 4 brought retina screens. I don't think your android friends were sporting those kind of screens. You had the big crap screens that looked like screen doors after that. Yep, i remember the Evo too. It's only recently that those bigger screens have improved enough to be worthwhile.

    iphone 4S refined the iphone 4 making it much faster with a host of updates including Siri, airplay mirroring, and iCloud.

    iphone 5 brought one of the thinnest, lightest and fastest phones available. Using in-cell tech, Apple created possibly the best quality screen on a smartphone. Only Nokia seems to be innovating to bring better (not your android buddies). iOS 6 included a superior Maps app, improved Siri, and much more integration with Macs. Headset redesigned.

    My question to you is what has Google or Samsung done lately to innovate for smartphones? Besides copy Apple that is.. I'm sure you'll bring up NFC or wireless charging, neither of which are really useful or innovative. MS, with windows 8, is attacking google as well. All those google apps and services are of course available on a windows 8 PC but you have to get past the crap MS is trying to shove down your throat first now. Good luck with that since the start screen is all about Metro apps. How many will start using Bing, IE10, or outlook.com now?

    Perhaps you should troll the windows forums? That's the bigger threat.
    I'll give you the retina display and maybe icloud as being an innovation... Which, to me means it's a new idea/product that hasn't been done before. The others not so much... Apple maps is superior? Superior to what, blackberry maps? Come on, eve apple acknowledges that their native maps kinda suck. Siri and airplay aren't innovations... They're a different version of something that was already out in the market... Like Google voice actions and dlna
    10-29-2012 09:39 AM
  16. cardfan's Avatar
    I'll give you the retina display and maybe icloud as being an innovation... Which, to me means it's a new idea/product that hasn't been done before. The others not so much... Apple maps is superior? Superior to what, blackberry maps? Come on, eve apple acknowledges that their native maps kinda suck. Siri and airplay aren't innovations... They're a different version of something that was already out in the market... Like Google voice actions and dlna
    Is there another Maps product out there integrated with Siri and iOS? Nope. It's superior to the old Maps Apple had on iphones. It's an innovative product that will continue to get refined.

    Siri isn't innovation? Ok... Airplay made pushing content to tv's easy for people. DNLA is more of a pull from PC and something that never really caught on with the masses. The innovation is that Apple made things easy for the mainstream and offered new things like mirroring. DNLA never supported mirroring.

    There's many innovations Apple had with the iphone 5 I didn't even get into. The iphone has 3 microphones and noise canceling tech. Photo stream sharing. Passbook.

    Again, let's hear the innovations Google or Samsung have made with smartphones the last generation. It's just an honest question. I assume you can't come up with an answer. I don't think project butter is one. An attempt to make android not laggy? Maybe the Nexus Q is innovative..lol
    10-29-2012 10:15 AM
  17. kch50428's Avatar
    Again, let's hear the innovations Google or Samsung have made with smartphones the last generation. It's just an honest question. I assume you can't come up with an answer. I don't think project butter is one. An attempt to make android not laggy? Maybe the Nexus Q is innovative..lol
    Qualify that... what has Google or Samsung innovated that was not found to infringe an Apple patent?
    10-29-2012 10:22 AM
  18. roll-tide's Avatar
    Y'all act like I called your mama fat or something... I just never understood where apple has innovated anything in the last few years, but you have totally proved all of my points wrong and straightened me out... So you win, before apple we used two cups and a string to communicate with each other.
    10-29-2012 10:41 AM
  19. cardfan's Avatar
    Y'all act like I called your mama fat or something... I just never understood where apple has innovated anything in the last few years, but you have totally proved all of my points wrong and straightened me out... So you win, before apple we used two cups and a string to communicate with each other.
    It was just an honest question... You really can't think of anything innovating Google or Samsung has done lately?
    10-29-2012 10:44 AM
  20. kch50428's Avatar
    I just never understood where apple has innovated anything in the last few years...
    Your lack of understanding is self inflicted. One will never see that which they choose not to see.
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    10-29-2012 10:52 AM
  21. gvndeb60's Avatar
    Y'all act like I called your mama fat or something... I just never understood where apple has innovated anything in the last few years, but you have totally proved all of my points wrong and straightened me out... So you win, before apple we used two cups and a string to communicate with each other.
    You do get points for making me laugh with that post.
    I agree there are plenty of blind fans out there on both sides.
    I think Apple innovated with the first iPhone. Like you said that was years ago. Just skipping to recently, there is retina(Samsung copied), cloud backups, iTunes(google copied), single home button(sound familiar S3 and Note 2?), multitouch, etc. They innovated with Siri(Samsung copied with horrible S Voice). The concept was there with Google but it was not usable for anything more than "google this". Siri was the first advanced voice interaction on a handset. The biggest innovation they have in my opinion is user experience. I know that is broad, but no other manufacturer can even touch what they do. From the ultra reliable OS to the extreme integration with all things Apple to the store experience.
    Again, back to my first post, Samsung has greatly closed the gap. The S3 is absolutely beautiful and I had zero reliability issues with it. It was perfect IMO but everyone opinions very. Samsung is also closing the gap with the end user experience with smart tv, laptops, cloud services etc.
    the reason I stuck with apple is that google has already lost me as an everyday user to apple. I have a Mac mini, ape tv, iPad, and an iPhone. They work beautifully together and I came back from the S3 bc I already was invested in Apple. My choice and my money.....I gave google every opportunity for my $ up until the iPhone 4S. I had android tablets and phones and they just couldn't compete.

    My first post stated that Samsung had closed the gap which is good for us consumers bc it means apple has to raise their game. I never called you a troll, I called the troll a troll.

    Sorry for any typos or grammar, long post for tapatalk.
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    10-29-2012 11:23 AM
  22. cardfan's Avatar
    The Nexus 4: Google's flagship phone lands November 13th for $299 | The Verge

    Here's some innovation. Latest Nexus with 4.2. And no LTE. A glass back (like the iphone 4/4S). I see they ripped off Apple's in-cell technology...but that's more an LG thing. Remains to be seen if that's patent infringing.

    4.2 killer innovative features?

    1. Panorama. Hmmm. Yep, totally innovative and clearly not done before. Oops, this is full 360 degrees. Take that Apple.
    2. Gesture kb. Innovation or copied from swype?
    3. Quick settings. Hardly a new concept.
    4. Camera has also been improved with a completely redesigned UI focused on single-handed input. What? Let's just say like the iphone.
    5. scale-to-fit messages for gmail (like the iPhone)
    6. new accessibility options (like the iphone)
    7. Google has added widget functionality to the lock screen (like the iphone)
    8. Google Now significantly improved (in response to Siri's improvements no doubt)

    Clearly, it's easy to see why people flock to android. So innovating?

    Edit: Oops..here's some more innovative goodness: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3...s-photo-sphere

    1. The highlight killer feature of 4.2 is support for Miracast, an industry-standard Wi-Fi display sharing protocol that allows new devices like the Nexus 4 to stream audio and video to TVs. (Think AirPlay). (like the iphone)

    2. Daydream screensavers...lol
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    10-29-2012 12:54 PM
  23. roll-tide's Avatar
    The Nexus 4: Google's flagship phone lands November 13th for $299 | The Verge

    Here's some innovation. Latest Nexus with 4.2. And no LTE. A glass back (like the iphone 4/4S). I see they ripped off Apple's in-cell technology...but that's more an LG thing. Remains to be seen if that's patent infringing.

    4.2 killer innovative features?

    1. Panorama. Hmmm. Yep, totally innovative and clearly not done before. Oops, this is full 360 degrees. Take that Apple.
    2. Gesture kb. Innovation or copied from swype?
    3. Quick settings. Hardly a new concept.
    4. Camera has also been improved with a completely redesigned UI focused on single-handed input. What? Let's just say like the iphone.
    5. scale-to-fit messages for gmail (like the iPhone)
    6. new accessibility options (like the iphone)
    7. Google has added widget functionality to the lock screen (like the iphone)
    8. Google Now significantly improved (in response to Siri's improvements no doubt)

    Clearly, it's easy to see why people flock to android. So innovating?

    Edit: Oops..here's some more innovative goodness: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/29/3...s-photo-sphere

    1. The highlight killer feature of 4.2 is support for Miracast, an industry-standard Wi-Fi display sharing protocol that allows new devices like the Nexus 4 to stream audio and video to TVs. (Think AirPlay). (like the iphone)

    2. Daydream screensavers...lol
    Screw panorama... Android has had that for years, this is a little different.



    Yeah, leaving out lte was stupid on their part.... Even with the excuses they listed, it still seems like a waste of a good phone. I've never been big on nexus phones anyway, I'd rather not be the test dummy.. Lol

    Gesture keyboard being a copy of swype? Sure.... But the same can be said of apple's drop down notification drawer, which to me is useless because you have no way of knowing what's in that drawer unless you drag it down and check it.

    Widgets on the lock screen on android are a lot different than apple's so called widgets.... What is an apple widget anyway? Unless there's something I missed in ios6, all I remember was a notification you could slide on the lock screen.

    Now... If you'll go back and read I never once tried to start an argument... I had a simple question regarding a statement that was made. All I needed was an answer, not for it to turn into EVERY other thread that mentions android on this forum... They ALL end up this way. I have a genuine curiosity to what seems to be the majority of the public's opinion which is that Apple is an innovator, and because someone says something negative about apple it gets turn into a my phone is better than your phone debate. I've seen documentaries about apple and Steve Jobs where they even tell you what apple has done... Which is take what other companies do and make it "better".... So I'm not pulling this out of thin air. You can try and turn it into a iphone vs android mess if you want, I'm not going there.....
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    10-29-2012 02:27 PM
  24. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I've seen documentaries about apple and Steve Jobs where they even tell you what apple has done... Which is take what other companies do and make it "better".... So I'm not pulling this out of thin air. You can try and turn it into a iphone vs android mess if you want, I'm not going there.....
    You have a genuine curiosity? As soon as someone answers it...you retort "No, blah blah blah blah blah." This tells me that you have an agenda to prove that Apple is NOT an innovator (which is why i quoted the line i did above, since it speaks DIRECTLY to this agenda). You can't have a "genuine" curiosity, but also have a dead set agenda...it does not work like that, they are mutually exclusive...you're either genuinely curious what people think or you want to know what people think so you can push your agenda...either or.
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    10-29-2012 02:33 PM
  25. kch50428's Avatar
    You can try and turn it into a iphone vs android mess if you want, I'm not going there.....
    But you are... every time you say "I just never understood where apple has innovated anything in the last few years..." you could understand if you wanted to.
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    10-29-2012 02:35 PM
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