1. fmflex's Avatar
    I feel like I waited and waited to get a Lamborghini. Finally I get one and it has no engine. I wait a year and finally I get one with an engine but they don't put in a gas pedal. Wtf!?
    09-15-2012 10:46 PM
  2. kch50428's Avatar
    I call BS! By the way, voice over LTE isn't due for like 2-4 more years, they are saying. That's a long time. We could be on iPhone 9 by then.
    I'll call you calling BS. http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/v...-the-world-pl/

    VoLTE is due a lot sooner than you think.
    09-15-2012 10:47 PM
  3. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    iMessage isn't the biggest problem. The main issue I see is this: so you are driving in an unfamiliar area, using that nice turn by turn direction that finally arrived on the iPhone, and bam you get a call, you no longer are getting directions, as that uses data (at least to my understanding)....(snipped)
    I don't know about the Turn by Turn navigation of iOS 6, but I have indeed been talking on the phone while driving and using the Waze Navigation app and was still getting turn by turn voice navigation throughout the entire time I was talking.
    09-15-2012 11:02 PM
  4. TX Mike's Avatar
    That 2012 VZW nationwide VoLTE rollout was pushed to sometime in 2013 at the start of this year. Seems there is no rush moving beyond their 2 city trial. The VZW CFO commented to analysts this week:

    "Shammo said: "Well, I think that video calling is going to become more significant in the future. I think that when we release our VoLTE technology -- probably in '13 -- when we do voice over LTE through IP, there will be many, many more options for that going out. But I do think video calling will start to proliferate into the future."

    David Barden, a Bank of America-Merrill Lynch analyst, followed up with: "You don't have any plans to charge a different charge for people who want to use that product?"

    Shammo: "I won't get into our marketing plans at this point, but we will have the capability probably in '13 to offer that. Once we go to VoLTE, we will have that capability.""
    09-15-2012 11:34 PM
  5. fmflex's Avatar
    I'll call you calling BS. http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/v...-the-world-pl/

    VoLTE is due a lot sooner than you think.
    Article says would be available in 2012. It's mid September and not a single word about this since. So I call bs that it's coming any time soon.

    http://www.networkworld.com/news/201...te-259079.html says:

    "During an interview with Network World today, Verizon Vice President of Network Hans Leutenegger said that the carrier won't be deploying any voice over LTE (VoLTE) services on its network until late next year at the very earliest. The reason for this, he said, is that Verizon is already largely satisfied with its current voice network and doesn't see the need to push both handset manufacturers and its own customers to use a new technology just yet."

    Which means 2014 more then likely.
    Last edited by fmflex; 09-15-2012 at 11:56 PM.
    09-15-2012 11:44 PM
  6. viobruin's Avatar
    Just as amazing are the excuses one will use to bash Apple...

    As I noted above, were mobile talk & surf truly essential to me, I'd have a solution that didn't involve my phone... sorry for me being too practical.
    In my opinion, whether the feature is essential or not shouldn't be the measuring stick for whether the feature should have been included. People who really care about pictures, for example, will probably use a SLR camera or, at the very least, a very good point and shoot. With that said, a phone manufactuer would be heavily criticized for not including a camera with its phone, and rightfully so. Sure, a phone camera isn't "essential" to some, but it certainly is a very nice feature to have and, today, standard protocol.

    The same can be said about simultaneous voice/data on Verizon. Verizon LTE phones have been able to do simultaneous voice and data for a long time now; it's become standard protocol. Thus, I think that Apple, at the very least, deserves criticism for not including it. The absence of the feature may or may not be a deal breaker, but its inclusion would have been very nice indeed.
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    09-16-2012 01:19 AM
  7. Joe McG's Avatar
    In my opinion, whether the feature is essential or not shouldn't be the measuring stick for whether the feature should have been included. People who really care about pictures, for example, will probably use a SLR camera or, at the very least, a very good point and shoot. With that said, a phone manufactuer would be heavily criticized for not including a camera with its phone, and rightfully so. Sure, a phone camera isn't "essential" to some, but it certainly is a very nice feature to have and, today, standard protocol.

    The same can be said about simultaneous voice/data on Verizon. Verizon LTE phones have been able to do simultaneous voice and data for a long time now; it's become standard protocol. Thus, I think that Apple, at the very least, deserves criticism for not including it. The absence of the feature may or may not be a deal breaker, but its inclusion would have been very nice indeed.
    I'm sure it was a trade off in the design process, as it seems to be a hardware limitation. It's more complex than just excluding it on purpose.
    09-16-2012 09:26 AM
  8. csullivan1980's Avatar
    Nope, none. I had on feature on AT&T but it was something I was willing to sacrifice because I wanted better coverage, period. I'm very happy I will be able I do FaceTime over cellular now.


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    09-16-2012 10:35 AM
  9. vintagetonez's Avatar
    That is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard. Apple eliminated the dual radios to make it super thin. Not to mention, by the time voice over LTE is widespread enough to call it useful, we'll be seeing the iphone 7 or 8 introduced anyhow. So, you're saying Apple did this because they are so advanced. So advanced that they built it for a network that doesn't exist? Yeah, that's great. the iphone 5 is a massive fail.
    You're a tool. There is no issue with GSM carriers which are the dominant technology all across the globe. Don't blame apple, blame your stupidity for choosing a carrier that has technological limitations. AT&T doesn't have that problem.
    09-16-2012 11:03 AM
  10. fmflex's Avatar
    You're a tool. There is no issue with GSM carriers which are the dominant technology all across the globe. Don't blame apple, blame your stupidity for choosing a carrier that has technological limitations. AT&T doesn't have that problem.
    Lol. If you think AT&T is better then Verizon, then you're the tool. Just cause gsm is the dominant tech across the globe doesn't make it better. Mopeds, bicycles and walking are the dominant forms of transportation across the globe but you still drive a car don't you?

    Let's see. At&t = poor coverage, poor call quality, small LTE foot print, no customer service, & no ota FaceTime.

    Also in order for them to do simo voice and data on at&t, it has to drop back to the old networks and I've read that that hand off sucks. So you have fund doing simo on AT&T while your calls drop and your data gets stuck.

    I'm pissed off that iPhone 5 on Verizon won't be doing simo, but that's Apple's fault not Verizon's. Apple decided to save the extra dollar per phone and screwed us. So that's why I may end up returning my iPhone 5 & going with Galaxy S 3.
    Last edited by fmflex; 09-16-2012 at 11:58 AM.
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    09-16-2012 11:55 AM
  11. Eileen89's Avatar
    After reading this I am very glad I didn't switch to Verizon. I may not use voice & data at the same time too often, but it's one thing I wouldn't want to do without.


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    09-16-2012 12:20 PM
  12. Eileen89's Avatar
    Lol. If you think AT&T is better then Verizon, then you're the tool. Just cause gsm is the dominant tech across the globe doesn't make it better. Mopeds, bicycles and walking are the dominant forms of transportation across the globe but you still drive a car don't you?

    Let's see. At&t = poor coverage, poor call quality, small LTE foot print, no customer service, & no ota FaceTime.

    Also in order for them to do simo voice and data on at&t, it has to drop back to the old networks and I've read that that hand off sucks. So you have fund doing simo on AT&T while your calls drop and your data gets stuck.

    I'm pissed off that iPhone 5 on Verizon won't be doing simo, but that's Apple's fault not Verizon's. Apple decided to save the extra dollar per phone and screwed us. So that's why I may end up returning my iPhone 5 & going with Galaxy S 3.
    Not that I think AT&T is better than Verizon, but all of these things that you said about AT&T depend on your location and can be said about Verizon in certain areas as well. Verizon's LTE network is still up and down and very slow in my area. Even AT&T's HSPA+ speeds are close to what I got on Verizon's LTE network. As for customer service, AT&T has been awesome for the 3 years that I've used them do far. CS will always be an area that is either good or bad for both carriers depending on the nature of the call.


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    09-16-2012 12:27 PM
  13. Fausty82's Avatar
    Lol. If you think AT&T is better then Verizon, then you're the tool. Just cause gsm is the dominant tech across the globe doesn't make it better. Mopeds, bicycles and walking are the dominant forms of transportation across the globe but you still drive a car don't you?

    Let's see. At&t = poor coverage, poor call quality, small LTE foot print, no customer service, & no ota FaceTime.
    Your argument may be valid in some locations... no doubt it is... but this is an incredibly subjective
    argument. It really only matters if VZW or ATT is better where you live/work/play.

    In my case, both VZW and ATT have excellent coverage... and I am extremely happy with my AT&T coverage. When I visited the Bay area last year, AT&T was crap... and in some locations when I go back home to Indy, I hear complaints about VZW...

    Just like real estate, this discussion comes down to location, location, location.
    09-16-2012 05:03 PM
  14. mc511#CB's Avatar
    I agree with the above posts. Verizon and ATT are great around my area but att has lte here and i get great data speeds. Now its online 10 on the down at my house but in a neighboring town i get up to 30 on the down. My friend who is on verizon doesnt get this type of speed here. It just depends on the area. Around here its ATT.
    09-16-2012 11:38 PM
  15. cman6453's Avatar
    Let's see. At&t = poor coverage, poor call quality, small LTE foot print, no customer service, & no ota FaceTime.
    AT&T will have FaceTime but only if you're on their new tiered data plan. I guess that still sucks for those that have the gf'd unltd plan.
    09-17-2012 12:52 AM
  16. cckgz4's Avatar
    At&t is going to tout this in their commercial
    09-17-2012 09:54 PM
  17. cjdaniel's Avatar
    I think it should have been included with Verizon iP5, this disappoints me.

    For me, picking between dropped calls and poor sound quality (provided by ATT in my area, So Cal) and the ability to do data (on rare occasion when I don't have wifi, or my ipad handy) I still choose Verizon.

    But everyone needs to pick their own poison, everyone's rate plans are about the same anymore. We all have a choice. Learned long ago on this forum, you like what you like, and everyone's experience is different.
    Last edited by cglaguna; 09-17-2012 at 11:27 PM.
    09-17-2012 10:23 PM
  18. trmoney24's Avatar
    I don't know about the Turn by Turn navigation of iOS 6, but I have indeed been talking on the phone while driving and using the Waze Navigation app and was still getting turn by turn voice navigation throughout the entire time I was talking.
    JustMe'D, your observation is correct. Your phone will download all the directions ahead of time. Your GPS chip can continue to operate even when on a call. So that's why it can still tell you directions as you go along.

    fmflex, the problem with this is that when you miss a turn, your navigation app will not be able to re-route you since you do not have data, and that's where you will run into an issue if you are on the phone when you miss that turn.
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    09-18-2012 06:09 PM
  19. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    JustMe'D, your observation is correct. Your phone will download all the directions ahead of time. Your GPS chip can continue to operate even when on a call. So that's why it can still tell you directions as you go along.

    fmflex, the problem with this is that when you miss a turn, your navigation app will not be able to re-route you since you do not have data, and that's where you will run into an issue if you are on the phone when you miss that turn.
    Outstanding. Thank you.
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    09-18-2012 07:05 PM
  20. cjdaniel's Avatar
    Navigon, maps are imbedded, no GPS cut out, even if you are on the phone and miss a turn.
    09-18-2012 08:05 PM
  21. Stewartj1's Avatar
    I'm very surprised since so many other phones have been doing thus since 3G came out a few years ago.

    I use it all the time and have come to rely on it so I can talk while waiting for important emails, forward information to the person I'm speaking with before I forget, etc
    09-18-2012 08:26 PM
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