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  1. giper54's Avatar
    I found an interesting article about LTE phones from CDMA carriers (Verizon) and GSM carriers (AT&T) The Radio Performance Disparity of the Galaxy Nexus on GSM and CDMA - Mobile Central - Binary Outcast

    I am hoping people can chime in on their thoughts about the article.

    Here is my problem, I have ATT right now and my contract is over. LTE is on for both ATT (June 2012) and Verizon (October 11) but I am about 3-5 miles from the closest working tower but it sounds like LTE will come to my area by the end of the year. Is there anyway to tell if the iphone for Verizon will be using a CDMA2000 device that uses a VIA Telecom CDMA baseband modem? I had an HTC Rezound for a day that worked great in an LTE area but when I was in my town that only had 3g Verizon it had a terrible time working correctly, especially where I worked because of the weak signal. I am afraid that a Verizon device may have a lot of trouble with my work area and handling CDMA/LTE like the article states.

    Are you better off with GSM LTE devices or CDMA LTE devices.

    I have posted the article below:

    The Radio Performance Disparity of the Galaxy Nexus on GSM and CDMA

    The Samsung Galaxy Nexus. It's Google's flagship phone that is designed to complement the Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich operating system software. With high end specifications (for 2011) and highly optimized software, the Galaxy Nexus is supposed to show off what Android can really do without any interference from carriers and OEMs. However, that wound up not truly being the case in the United States with the CDMA/LTE variant for Verizon Wireless and Sprint.

    By and large, the CDMA/LTE variant sold by Verizon Wireless and Sprint is the same as the original HSPA+ model that is now sold by Google on the Play Store (at least in terms of hardware). It has the same CPU, RAM, NFC chip, screen, cameras, etc. The only hardware difference is the cellular radio structure.

    The original UMTS HSPA+ model uses an Intel XG626 baseband modem that is connected to an antenna structure that supports quad-band GSM and penta-band WCDMA for global usage. For Americans, it means that it works on the HSPA+ networks for both AT&T and T-Mobile USA.

    The CDMA/LTE variant uses a VIA Telecom CBP7.1 CDMA2000 baseband modem, connected to an antenna structure that supports dual-band CDMA2000. The Sprint model adds another CDMA2000 band that is exclusive to Sprint. Both CDMA/LTE variants use a Samsung CMC221 LTE baseband modem, but the Verizon Wireless variant is set up for LTE band class 13 (Upper 700MHz C block), while the Sprint variant is set up for LTE band class 25 (U.S. Extended PCS, also known as PCS+G). The Verizon Galaxy Nexus has a user-accessible SIM card slot while the Sprint one does not.

    While the Intel (formerly Infineon) baseband used to be troublesome on AT&T's network (as many iPhone users that didn't own an iPhone 4S can attest to), the latest generation of basebands work fine on both AT&T and T-Mobile. With 3GPP Release 7 support, it has a maximum downlink throughput of 21Mbps while it has a maximum uplink throughput of 5.76Mbps. In general, the Galaxy Nexus works very well on AT&T and T-Mobile.

    However, it isn't the same for the CDMA variants of the Galaxy Nexus. The VIA Telecom CDMA chip is notorious for weak performance. Other notable devices that use the chip are the Samsung DROID Charge and the Samsung Stratosphere. Searching on the web about these devices turns up a lot of complaints about CDMA service quality with these devices.

    Jason Perlow of ZDNet experienced more than his fair share of issues while trying to live off of the 4G LTE connection his Galaxy Nexus provided. But he was trying to live off of 4G LTE, not CDMA2000. So why was he affected? Well, the truth is, CDMA/LTE devices require both radios to be active and connected. Not to mention, network authentication and feature provisioning actually goes through the CDMA system, not the LTE one.

    The bridge between CDMA2000 and LTE is rather brittle and is prone to failure, because LTE wasn't designed to be bridged with CDMA2000 like that. It was intended to be installed alongside GSM and WCDMA networks, and it handles it a lot better with those networks. So when something goes wrong in the rather terribly buggy CDMA system, the whole phone can and usually does fail. If Verizon Wireless had upgraded the CDMA2000 system to UMTS HSPA+ like most other CDMA2000 carriers across the globe, it would have avoided dealing with this problem.

    Also, the CDMA/LTE Galaxy Nexus lies to you (at least, it does now). Originally, the bars that indicate signal strength would actually indicate the signal strength of LTE if it was connected to an LTE network. When everyone started complaining about how weak the signal was compared to the Motorola DROID RAZR and Motorola DROID Bionic, Anandtech investigated. It turned out that the signal strength was actually accurate, and that LTE signals are incredibly weak. Previous devices used the CDMA signal strength to determine how many bars of signal you have. The Galaxy Nexus did not. It used the LTE signal strength when it was connected to LTE, and the CDMA signal strength when it wasn't. Verizon Wireless issued an update shortly afterward that changed the behavior to match older LTE devices. Newer LTE devices do the same as well.

    Combining the fact that the Galaxy Nexus has to work incredibly hard to maintain an LTE signal with the fact that the CDMA2000 radio is horrible and has a difficult time holding onto the connection will lead anyone to the conclusion that it is a recipe for disaster. Is it any wonder why Jason Perlow and many others have so many problems with the CDMA/LTE version of the Galaxy Nexus? Not really.

    Of course, this is excluding all the issues with timely updates that Verizon Wireless has caused for Galaxy Nexus owners. Including this issue just makes the problem worse. There are ways to work around some of the issues, though some workarounds will result in permanent degradation of performance. However, it doesn't mean anything if it takes forever for anyone to get any updates that implement them.

    In the end, I really can't solidly recommend the CDMA/LTE version of the Galaxy Nexus to anyone. Nor can I recommend any CDMA2000 device that uses a VIA Telecom CDMA baseband modem. The pitfalls just make it a bad experience for everyone.
    07-30-2012 09:02 PM
  2. Premium1's Avatar
    Samsung radios always sucked on cdma carriers. I am sure apple is going to have the best internals so it doesn't have another debacle like antenna gate. Guess only time will tell. Maybe try both out to see which works better for you.
    07-30-2012 09:47 PM
  3. ghostface147's Avatar
    Here's the deal. Apple is moving to the Qualcomm .28nm LTE radio (MDM8960), which the iPad 3 doesn't use due to the chip being unavailable at the time. This includes nearly all CDMA and GSM technologies and LTE catagory 3, release 9. This is beneficial because it's all integrated into one package instead of two, which is what caused a lot of battery suckage...among other reasons. In theory, this should enable easier handoff between 3G and LTE.

    No carrier uses LTE-Advanced, which carries voice. Verizon/Sprint will revert back to EVDO Rev. A for voice at all times and data if LTE isn't available. Personally I am sticking with AT&T due to the fact that their 3G network (none of this 4G marketing crap) is far superior in speeds to the CDMA world.
    Last edited by ghostface147; 07-30-2012 at 11:26 PM.
    07-30-2012 11:24 PM
  4. giper54's Avatar
    Ghostface thank you. I am hoping the new Qualcomm chip helps out.
    07-31-2012 08:28 PM
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    Ghostface thank you. I am hoping the new Qualcomm chip helps out.
    It seemed to help alot with the sgs3 which uses the same chip so I am sure it will work for the iphone as well. Personally I am in a verizon lte area and with unlimited data not going to pass up that.
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    07-31-2012 08:42 PM
  6. giper54's Avatar
    Techno Buffalo has an article about T-Mobiles transition to LTE and a T Mobile person stated that their enhanced backload will help T Mobile's LTE. will this help AT&T's LTE Too? http://www.technobuffalo.com/news/wi...4g-experience/
    08-02-2012 08:19 AM
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    Techno Buffalo has an article about T-Mobiles transition to LTE and a T Mobile person stated that their enhanced backload will help T Mobile's LTE. will this help AT&T's LTE Too? T-Mobile Says Backhaul is the Key to a User's 4G Experience | TechnoBuffalo
    I think tmo is sitting a little better for lte than at&t especially with the spectrum they got from att and recently Verizon.
    08-02-2012 11:34 AM
  8. Raptor007's Avatar
    Since we will need a SIM for LTE on Verizon how does that track with the micro SIM Apple is now pushing ahead with, will it be for the European carriers instead of the US or both?
    08-02-2012 01:13 PM
  9. giper54's Avatar
    Here is another article talking about the challenge CDMA has with LTE when the LTE signal is weak
    08-03-2012 08:37 AM
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    08-07-2012 05:06 PM