1. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    It's not about getting buried. It's about what happened- what's the truth.

    In a way, we're both right.
    Last edited by SeanHRCC; 07-13-2012 at 07:55 PM.
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    07-13-2012 07:52 PM
  2. Fausty82's Avatar
    It's not about getting buried. It's about what happened- what's the truth.

    In a way, we're both right.
    Just curious... do you EVER leave a post as you posted it? I know for a fact that you've written THREE responses to this message...
    07-13-2012 10:47 PM
  3. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    Just curious... do you EVER leave a post as you posted it? I know for a fact that you've written THREE responses to this message...
    That's what happens when you have various points to counter. But rather than try to hit all the points, and delve deeper, I said you know what, everyone is right ... in a way.
    07-13-2012 11:22 PM
  4. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    apple should go up on the price of the next iphone. Now that the iphone 4s has saturated and can be found in places like cricket and other low end carriers.
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    07-14-2012 01:23 PM
  5. rednocturne307's Avatar
    It's a fact that's sad but true. There are a lot of people who wouldn't mind the iPhone becoming more expensive so that they can feel more exclusive for having it. Apple has pretty much always played off of this perception that people have of their products and it's honestly a large part of the reason why they've become so successful. Their products are sort of a mark of social status.

    As much as I love my iPhone and Mac, this attitude has always kinda pissed me off. This wasn't the reason why I bought those products. That attitude is backwards, beneath us, and should be only for the history books at this point. Not only the wealthy deserve to take part in the technology revolution that we are experiencing. I think technology is at its best when it is affordable to all and can better the lives of the majority, not the minority. That's what it's all about, isn't it? Bettering lives and moving forward.
    07-15-2012 08:55 AM
  6. iLive an iLife's Avatar
    Now even further back, there is no other market segment besides iPad, so far they have been unsuccessful. HP, one of the biggest failure, pretty much almost had to file for bankruptcy because of it. There's the Kindle Fire, but that's not a tablet. That's a Kindle reader..
    The Kindle Fire is a tablet. An eReader has an eInk display with liquid paper and reads exactly like real paper. Examples of eReaders are the Kindle, Kindle Touch, Kindle Keyboard, Kobo, Nook with Glowlight or the Sony Reader.

    The Fire has an LCD screen, you can watch movies, listen to music, read magazines/books and play games. Yes, you can read a book on the Fire if you wanted to, but it is not a "Kindle reader."
    Last edited by iLive an iLife; 07-15-2012 at 12:11 PM.
    07-15-2012 12:09 PM
  7. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    The Kindle Fire is a tablet. An eReader has an eInk display with liquid paper and reads exactly like real paper. Examples of eReaders are the Kindle, Kindle Touch, Kindle Keyboard, Kobo, Nook with Glowlight or the Sony Reader.

    The Fire has an LCD screen, you can watch movies, listen to music, read magazines/books and play games. Yes, you can read a book on the Fire if you wanted to, but it is not a "Kindle reader."
    OK. Tablet version of a Kindle, it's still a Kindle.
    07-15-2012 02:12 PM
  8. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    It's a fact that's sad but true. There are a lot of people who wouldn't mind the iPhone becoming more expensive so that they can feel more exclusive for having it. Apple has pretty much always played off of this perception that people have of their products and it's honestly a large part of the reason why they've become so successful. Their products are sort of a mark of social status.

    As much as I love my iPhone and Mac, this attitude has always kinda pissed me off. This wasn't the reason why I bought those products. That attitude is backwards, beneath us, and should be only for the history books at this point. Not only the wealthy deserve to take part in the technology revolution that we are experiencing. I think technology is at its best when it is affordable to all and can better the lives of the majority, not the minority. That's what it's all about, isn't it? Bettering lives and moving forward.
    You know why? Because they're stupid. And we'll never be free from the stupid segment of society. It's sad. It's sad for prudent people like us, though.
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    07-15-2012 02:53 PM
  9. iLive an iLife's Avatar
    OK. Tablet version of a Kindle, it's still a Kindle.
    Eh, I'll accept that. It's more like an Amazon tablet (since it's preprogramed to work with Amazon Prime video streaming, Amazon VOD and Amazon's MP3 store), but I won't nitpick.
    07-15-2012 06:01 PM
  10. GPAbsinthe's Avatar
    This is the most ackward thread I've ever read...

    Why would anybody, rich or not, ever bought something twice the price it's worth? Seen a smartphone recently that was 2000$ ? There's no market there, no matter whom it would be adressed to. I think that we can fairly assume that, put together, the major OS out there are at the finest point of technology. At some point, you have to think... if the "wealthy" really did wanna have something exclusive, they'd use their influence and money to get a personally customized handset or have one before it's released. What they probably do, those rich people who like gadgets, is simply buy any interesting new one, and always have the latest handset on them. Another point of view is : does Apple want to sell... let's give a generous figure... 500 000 handsets at 2000$, or like more than 15 millions at 800$ ? Of course, Samsung or Apple could decide to sell both... but please tell me what the hell they could put in the 2000$ device that's not already there on the market? A 20 MP with 10X optical zoom camera, with a decacore processor, and compatibility for some ultra fast new network with like two towers in the whole world?

    Using one's head to think is a prerequesite... other body parts don't work well with it. Believe me, real wealthy people would not pay only 2000$ for something "exclusive", because something that costs that price is anything but. Their shoes cost more for only one of the pair, and they really don't give a f*** about it. When they want exclusive, believe me, they have something way bigger in mind than a smartphone.

    All of this thread is nonsense. And not because some people did not try and say senseful things, but simply because the argument is rotten at the core by futility... The guy is trying to argue that latest Apple releases were nothing remotely new in a "Apple consumer's point of view", yet he'd pay 2000$ for their next handset. Let him have at it. Hell, I do sell those things, I'd be quite happy to have him as a customer. I can charge him 5000$ if he wants to.
    07-15-2012 07:06 PM
  11. GPAbsinthe's Avatar
    This is the most ackward thread I've ever read...

    Why would someone pay something twice if not thrice the price its worth. I think we can fairly assume that the major OS out there all cover the finest, most advanced technology for public consumering. What would Apple have to put in the damn phone to make it worth that? 20 MP camera with 10X optical zoom, decacore processor, double Retina res and compatibility with some network speed not to be available for another 10 years? But that's not even the point, is it? The point is paying 2000$ for something much more common : perhaps bigger screen, better core, couple of new features, further integration of popular apps, and 4G compatibility. Apple would not be as stupid as to kill its market just to appear exclusive. Know why? Because most people working at Apple are quite well paid themselves, and they know pretty well 2000$ is anything but the price of exclusivity. It's cheap money nevertheless. Some of these "wealthy" people the OP is idiotically refering to, they have shoes that are worth more, and they could not care less about it. Believe me, when they want exclusivity, they have something way bigger in mind then smartphones. What is indeed more probable is that rich tech maniacs just buy any handset that seems interesting, and always have the latest at hand. Rich people, they have the same iPhone than you, and they love it just as much. It's just that they - and all the family, even the six years old brat - change every year. When they want to play cool, they just say : Yeah the baby is getting quite good with the 4S, downloading 50 Go per months the little devil, can't wait to see what he'll be doing with the next iPhone.

    Seriously though, the real reason why Apple would not be that stupid is simply : do they want to sell 500 000 devices at 2000$, or more than 20 millions at 800$? The real reason is understanding the market : selling millions of units is the goal, not just because in the end it comes to more profits, but also because there's a war out there, and you don't want be known as the brand that sold the least. That is a real business killer. People want to buy a brand that sells. Thinking technology is sold on account of exclusivity is reverse thinking. Technology is sold on account of easy availability, because the truth about the world is that most people, when they see that most people have something, they want to get it, too. So if you can put the product just within the reach of most people, you have a huge market assured. That's what sells. This goes hand in hand with the rules of socialization.

    Using one's head to think is a prerequesite. Other body parts don't do well with it. Really, this thread is just killing me. The guy is telling us that according to an Apple consumer's point of view, the latest iOS hardware releases did not mean anything new, nor did they fill the expectations of them loyal consumers... yet he's willing to pay 2000$ for the next iPhone for so called exclusivity. Please, let him have at his own idiosyncrasies. The more we try to make sense out of it, the more we're sucked into nonsense.
    07-15-2012 09:46 PM
  12. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Using one's head to think is a prerequesite. Other body parts don't do well with it. Really, this thread is just killing me. The guy is telling us that according to an Apple consumer's point of view, the latest iOS hardware releases did not mean anything new, nor did they fill the expectations of them loyal consumers... yet he's willing to pay 2000$ for the next iPhone for so called exclusivity. Please, let him have at his own idiosyncrasies. The more we try to make sense out of it, the more we're sucked into nonsense.
    Bingo.

    ...and not only that, but the guy is feeding off people trying to discredit his "points" and retorts.
    07-16-2012 11:10 AM
  13. Fausty82's Avatar
    Bingo.

    ...and not only that, but the guy is feeding off people trying to discredit his "points" and retorts.
    Isn't that the basic definition of a troll? #justasking
    07-16-2012 01:25 PM
  14. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    Would you do it if it meant not having to upgrade for a few years?

    With the current spending habits of us greedy Americans, smartphones especially, it tells me that people are willing to pay almost any price for it.

    Studies have shown that people will pay more for a product they believe in, and even more when you have a product that is bursting with popularity. When it happens, you won't think twice about it. It just comes down to how many consumers are you willing to lose by making the product more expensive. But then whole universities and business, not to mention families and even the dregs of society buy iPhones. And they buy them in bulk. We spend 2,000 a more on phones a year, and even more when we upgrade twice a year.

    I can't stress enough that it's not just the exclusitivity we're paying for. If the new iPhone is everything we would hope it would be, the possibility of the iPhone being more expensive is heightened. The exclusitivity is a seperate package, like a bonus. It comes with the fact that the older iPhones are widely available and cheap. And they would be seperating the two markets.

    It will come down to, "If you want a phone for cheap, get the last year's model. It's sold everywhere. But them we have the newer model that you have to save up for."
    07-16-2012 07:07 PM
  15. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Would you do it if it meant not having to upgrade for a few years?

    With the current spending habits of us greedy Americans, smartphones especially, it tells me that people are willing to pay almost any price for it.

    Studies have shown that people will pay more for a product they believe in, and even more when you have a product that is bursting with popularity. When it happens, you won't think twice about it. It just comes down to how many consumers are you willing to lose by making the product more expensive. But then whole universities and business, not to mention families and even the dregs of society buy iPhones. And they buy them in bulk. We spend 2,000 a more on phones a year, and even more when we upgrade twice a year.

    I can't stress enough that it's not just the exclusitivity we're paying for. If the new iPhone is everything we would hope it would be, the possibility of the iPhone being more expensive is heightened. The exclusitivity is a seperate package, like a bonus. It comes with the fact that the older iPhones are widely available and cheap. And they would be seperating the two markets.

    It will come down to, "If you want a phone for cheap, get the last year's model. It's sold everywhere. But them we have the newer model that you have to save up for."
    If you could give us references to those studies it would be well appreciated.
    07-16-2012 07:14 PM
  16. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    If you could give us references to those studies it would be well appreciated.
    Now, I'm not going to teach you a lesson, but "Why people would pay more for exclusivity" is a question in many of the nation's college textbooks. Economy 101. So, I'll just drop a few links.


    Study: consumers willing to pay more for iPads than Android tablets | iPhone World's iNews Aggregator

    Wealthy smartphone users more likely to own an iPhone, study finds

    Five Reasons Why People Pay More | Alain Burrese

    Apple like any corporation has a mandated fiduciary responsibility to its share holders to do everything possible to turn a profit. by making one phone that might sell 10,000 copies down from the millions sold now would be in violation of that. if there were to be a more expensive model i can understand that. but to sit there and actually infer that a person is superior or bound to some sort of higher up club simply because they have this or that device expecially an apple is mind boggling. you people do realize that the apple 2 e was basically the first main stream home computer going they were the 2000$ you seem to ask for now, owning one made you fortunate but not part of some exclusive club that brought out its shiny baubles to laud the less fortunate with. and lesser carrier wtf is that? if you dont sign a 2 year contract with unlimited calling and messaging and $100 a month for 10 gigs data you dont deserve to have an iphone? just the muckity mucks like you? tell ya what buddy there exists a $50000 phone done in gold , go buy one have apple modify it for your elitist azz with its own internals and ios system and leave the business thinking to real people who dont have dillusions of grandure or are living a champagne lifestyle on a beer budget!!!
    At the same time it's not like the 16GB is going to be 2000, that would most likely be the 64GB on everything with the highest and best and all of the accessories. Most iPhone users would be looking at something a little more modest.

    But it's true, I can't sit here and lie to you that I haven't been embarassed walking around with a non Apple phone or even other devices. I don't know what it is, but it's very easy to get elitist about Apple products, simply because the types of people who buy it are already that way. And Apple really does think they are the ****.
    Last edited by motoleo; 07-16-2012 at 08:09 PM.
    07-16-2012 08:06 PM
  17. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Originally Posted by motoleo
    Now, I'm not going to teach you a lesson, but "Why people would pay more for exclusivity" is a question in many of the nation's college textbooks. Economy 101. So, I'll just drop a few links.


    Study: consumers willing to pay more for iPads than Android tablets | iPhone World's iNews Aggregator

    Wealthy smartphone users more likely to own an iPhone, study finds

    Five Reasons Why People Pay More | Alain Burrese
    The first link shows a hint of research that doesn't prove your original point.

    The second link has no bearing on the topic. We're not talking about who is more likely to own an iPhone.

    We're talking about people more likely to PAY MORE.

    The third link isn't research.
    07-16-2012 08:09 PM
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    07-16-2012 08:13 PM
  19. cckgz4's Avatar
    Smdh. There are these type of people on every forum
    07-16-2012 08:15 PM
  20. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    That is talking about mobile users who spend lots of money for various devices and what they're willing
    to spend on things 'mobile.' It doesn't mean that someone with an iPhone would be willing to spend
    $1,000+ on their next iPhone.
    07-16-2012 08:18 PM
  21. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    Is that not what we've been talking about this whole time? If Apple can get you to upgrade a perfectly good phone every year. They can up the price of the next phone.

    If its higher are you just going to leave Apple or are you going to pay? Carriers have been setting the price to their own standards whether the consumers liked it or not. And do you know why, because people sit back and are complacent about it and get just let it happen.

    And people like you and the other parts of this forum, I think it's hypocritical to even discuss your point. Do you know why, is the iPhone not already overpriced, and don't you own one?

    Have you seen the price of an Apple iPhone case made by Apple?! Goodness gracious.
    07-16-2012 08:25 PM
  22. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Is that not what we've been talking about this whole time? If Apple can get you to upgrade a perfectly good phone every year. They can up the price of the next phone.

    If its higher are you just going to leave Apple or are you going to pay? Carriers have been setting the price to their own standards whether the consumers liked it or not. And do you know why, because people sit back and are complacent about it and get just let it happen.

    And people like you and the other parts of this forum, I think it's hypocritical to even discuss your point. Do you know why, is the iPhone not already overpriced, and don't you own one?

    Have you seen the price of an Apple iPhone case made by Apple?! Goodness gracious.
    Your 'references' point to how much people are spending on mobile devices as a whole. It's not about the
    guy who paid full retail for an iPhone willing to spend an extra $200 the next year, then an extra $300 the
    year after. Someone who does that is just categorized as stupid.

    No, the iPhone isn't overpriced at the subsidized cost. It's $200 or $300. It's been this way since the 3G.
    Subsidized. Yes, I own an iPhone. I paid $300 for my 4S. I wouldn't pay $400 for the next-gen. As far as I know, Apple makes one case. The bumper priced at $30. If they make others, correct me as I may be wrong. You'e taking
    this and trying to use circular logic on me and the people reading this. Your exact point is that you'd be willing to
    spend more money on the next iPhone because you'd feel more exclusive. None of your 'studies' that you're
    referencing prove this about mobile consumers.
    07-16-2012 08:35 PM
  23. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    Well we can't really say what will happen because even if it was priced more leisurely, then it would also have to have a new reason for that pricing. If you are expecting the same price for the new iPhone, you are essentially expecting the same phone with an incremental upgrade.

    That might be exactly what we get with the new iPhone, but what's so exciting about that?
    07-16-2012 08:49 PM
  24. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Well we can't really say what will happen because even if it was priced more leisurely, then it would also have to have a new reason for that pricing. If you are expecting the same price for the new iPhone, you are essentially expecting the same phone with an incremental upgrade.

    That might be exactly what we get with the new iPhone, but what's so exciting about that?
    Nothing.

    But your OP suggests Apple should go up on the price of the iPhone because it's been "saturated."
    So you can tell us....
    07-16-2012 08:52 PM
  25. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    Nothing.

    But your OP suggests Apple should go up on the price of the iPhone because it's been "saturated."
    So you can tell us....
    iOS6 is a strange software. It's not a reinvention of the iPhone, yet it has a few style changes that might look better on a phone with a slightly different form factor.

    There is no reason to think that the iPhone will have a bigger screen or any of that special stuff. In terms of looks, it might just be a different color. Apple prides itself in uniformity within their product line from top to bottom.

    "Disconnect from the past" is a phrase that really gets to me. And why in the world would the iPhone ever be available at Cricket. Is it a charity mission? Is it for a little extra profit? They've clawed their way to the top of the food chain off the backs of AT&T and even brought the carrier into critical acclaim.

    AT&T is known as, "The iPhone carrier" that exclusitivity is what their success is built on.
    07-16-2012 09:01 PM
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