What Do All The Leaks Mean?

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I'm torn over that one. These leaks raise some doubts in my mind, but at the same time they ring the bell on so many levels.

On one side...

1. Lady StarGazer had a point : money. I think these leaks are in great part a snowball effect caused by a first leak, or series of leaks - may those have been legit or not. Having the "latest" news and rumors and leaks on a website's front page pretty much guarantees a lot of visitors. Those who were first to display and discuss them got huge, huge attention and frequentation. Millions of people started chewing on it like mad, researching further and further infos and confirmations. Now, as a source (any media) you have two options : going along with the leaks, or defuse them / propose alternates. Or both in many cases, but with a major focus on one; the other is just something to fill up the voids and raise discussions - and hopefully get more frequentation. The thing is, this leak rings a true note, it distinguishes itself from the other alternatives proposed, it resists many counter-arguments, it relies on pictures and videos, not digital renderings and pure speculations. Millions of people are already swallowed whole in the new frenzy, and they are hungry for the next leaks, the freshest source of information. Would you defuse it, you may lose attention and credibility, but adding on it is a pretty safe line. This is an opportunity to make money, to get visibility, and some people are stepping on it : based on the first leak (or series of leaks), they start "leaking" other parts and news that just fit with it, and the more it goes on, the less space is left for any other alternative, the more "reliable" and unified the leaks get. And this is huge, we're not talking weeks but days, even hours, to build up. Now, even if the first leak WAS true, it doesn't mean nothing anymore. It's already a good couple of months old, Apple has had time to change its strategy, to review its design, and as they are aware of the leak, perhaps to see to it that it doesn't happen anymore. Or to use it as a shield. Not saying they went radically different, perhaps just that they finally focused on another prototype.

2. We have to admit it, the leaks fit Apple's usual predicament. But... they are all "black". Can you imagine that prototype in white? The black isn't even black : the metal is a dull, carbon grey. I can't imagine it spray-painted white and looking good. The white 3GS - 4 - 4S were gorgeous because plastic, and then glass, gave it a glossy, classy look. That could not be with this new prototype. Another alternative is... to only have the back and front bezels white. And that would really, really be ugly. So it leaves us with the possibility of replacing the white version by a silver and white, so you get a dark, carbon grey and black version, and a light, silver and white version as a choice. Possible... but at the same time, I can't believe it. In fact, it seems to me that the metal casing would really only be beautiful in colors : electric orange, red or blue could look nice with that raw, unpolished finish. That leaked carbon prototype is not ugly, but it definitely lacks the usual unity and smoothness of Apple products. And I don't expect colors...

On another side...

3. It stays a "classical" form for iPhone, really fitting with Apple's philosophy.

4. Can you tell me WHAT exactly is SO much more advanced and original in other manufacturer's designs? Colors, up to a point... Plastic backplate and roundness are not really unique as snowflakes, are they? The actual GSIII is pretty much a thinner, bigger version of an iPhone 3GS, only with more screen and less bezel. And it's offered blue and white - oh I wonder where they got that idea, SOOOO original! The Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy Note just look about the same as the GSIII. The SII was more square, does it really stand out as original? The GSIII backplate is the most common, unremarkable thing in this world. HTC, Motorola, they all look the same to me. I don't know about you, but when I look at a carrier's counter from a distance, only the iPhones do really stand out...

5. In spite of my doubts concerning precisely the actual design given by all the leaks, I do not think the next iPhone will be radically different from it. Which doesn't make me less excited about it.

GPA, good synopsis, but a couple responses to your points:

1. I hear what your saying but there legitimately has not been ONE leak that suggests any other design over the past 3 or 4 months than the one you have been seeing ... at least I have not seen one and I blog avidly.
2. There have been some really nice renderings of the white version as well as some really polished 'near finished versions' of both for the design leak in question. Poke around a bit and you will find them.
4. Now it is really not so much about being different, it is about changing things up. Despite that, if they went with a ipad like version of the iphone, I don't see anyone with a phone quite like that. It would be unique and different from what they had in the market for the past 2 years (which is an eternity in this industry)!
5. I can bet my house (I don't own a house) that this is the final product from Apple.
 

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The leaks mean whatever you want them to mean...after watching the almost humorous amount (and variety) of "leaks" last year before the release of the 4S, i don't hold my breath on anything of this nature.

Until i watch Apple hold a keynote showing the new hardware, everything is just speculation (regardless of credibility of source). People who invested in the hype last year should understand just how good some of these people are at creating hype out of essentially nothing but BS and rumors.
 

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The leaks mean whatever you want them to mean...after watching the almost humorous amount (and variety) of "leaks" last year before the release of the 4S, i don't hold my breath on anything of this nature.

Until i watch Apple hold a keynote showing the new hardware, everything is just speculation (regardless of credibility of source). People who invested in the hype last year should understand just how good some of these people are at creating hype out of essentially nothing but BS and rumors.

you said one key word ... "variety".
 

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The leaks mean whatever you want them to mean...after watching the almost humorous amount (and variety) of "leaks" last year before the release of the 4S, i don't hold my breath on anything of this nature.

Until i watch Apple hold a keynote showing the new hardware, everything is just speculation (regardless of credibility of source). People who invested in the hype last year should understand just how good some of these people are at creating hype out of essentially nothing but BS and rumors.

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GPA, good synopsis, but a couple responses to your points:

1. I hear what your saying but there legitimately has not been ONE leak that suggests any other design over the past 3 or 4 months than the one you have been seeing ... at least I have not seen one and I blog avidly.
2. There have been some really nice renderings of the white version as well as some really polished 'near finished versions' of both for the design leak in question. Poke around a bit and you will find them.
4. Now it is really not so much about being different, it is about changing things up. Despite that, if they went with a ipad like version of the iphone, I don't see anyone with a phone quite like that. It would be unique and different from what they had in the market for the past 2 years (which is an eternity in this industry)!
5. I can bet my house (I don't own a house) that this is the final product from Apple.

1. That's what my very long first point was trying to image... Not necessarily the absolute reality, but this year it looks to me like there's no place for other leaks. What I was saying is, even if you'd get another different leak that seemed reliable, it would just be swallowed whole anyway, the first leak being so close to what we can expect from Apple. As a reliable source, you might chose to discard it, or to

2. You said it... "renderings" and "near finished version", which I saw by the way. I stand up to my point on this one : where plastic and glass allowed a unified look in past designs, newest leaks aren't of the same aesthetic smoothness we're used to get in pretty much any Apple device. It's funny though that just to prove me wrong, the leaks have suddenly gotten "really nice" and "very polished" in your opinion... I thought you were of the "it's garbage and I'm not impressed" side.

3. Oh! Where is 3. ? :D

4. "Now it is really not so much about being different, it is about changing things up." Uh, okay... My point was not entirely about being different, and I still don't see how other smartphones really "changed things up". Some of them tried and are very ugly, though.

5. I do have a house, and I would not bet it against them leaks... but neither would I bet it ON them! It's not about lacking information, it's about needing a place to sleep at night.

I'm just saying that. I'm not "leak specialist"... ;) Edit : no
 

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Well, looks like I am going to be right on my original post ... I know you never really know until it is final, but have not seen one shred of evidence against the design that has been consistently floated and displayed in many different places over the past 4 months. Guess Apple really "doubled down on secrecy" this time! In my opinion, Apple should be embarrassed at just how much they let leak on this one, which I don't believe was intentional. How can they ever expect people to respect their secracy efforts again? Unreal!
 

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Well, looks like I am going to be right on my original post ... I know you never really know until it is final, but have not seen one shred of evidence against the design that has been consistently floated and displayed in many different places over the past 4 months. Guess Apple really "doubled down on secrecy" this time! In my opinion, Apple should be embarrassed at just how much they let leak on this one, which I don't believe was intentional. How can they ever expect people to respect their secracy efforts again? Unreal!

Do you blame Apple for the iPhone 4 leak on Gimodo as well? You really can't blame them as all of the images you've seen are more than likely from factory leaks. And come on, one of the top if not the top phones in the world is going to get leaked one way or another. Just part of the game at this point.
 

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Do you blame Apple for the iPhone 4 leak on Gimodo as well? You really can't blame them as all of the images you've seen are more than likely from factory leaks. And come on, one of the top if not the top phones in the world is going to get leaked one way or another. Just part of the game at this point.

I hear your argument, I just don't like how apple portrays themselves to be all about secrecy, and we basically know every last minute detail of the phone before it's official announcement .. so much so that they have built aftermarket shells for the iphone 4 and 4s's resembling the next generation phone. It is almost humorous. I hear you on design leaks, but every last detail? Leaves nothing open to excitement and wonder. I truly believe apple dropped the ball on keep us at least somewhat guessing.
 

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I hear your argument, I just don't like how apple portrays themselves to be all about secrecy, and we basically know every last minute detail of the phone before it's official announcement .. so much so that they have built aftermarket shells for the iphone 4 and 4s's resembling the next generation phone. It is almost humorous. I hear you on design leaks, but every last detail? Leaves nothing open to excitement and wonder. I truly believe apple dropped the ball on keep us at least somewhat guessing.

Seeing how it looks from parts thrown together is hardly knowing every detail. If so, please list the specs and any new feature or otherwise known as the more important details.
 

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Seeing how it looks from parts thrown together is hardly knowing every detail. If so, please list the specs and any new feature or otherwise known as the more important details.

Where do I begin?? 4 inch screen, no width adjustment, slightly slimmer in depth, centered front camera, two toned backing with metal grey plate, headphone jack on bottom, 9 pin dock connector, new speaker grille ... Not to mention, there have been plenty of leaks on the innards as well. This has all been very consistent.
 

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I hear your argument, I just don't like how apple portrays themselves to be all about secrecy, and we basically know every last minute detail of the phone before it's official announcement .. so much so that they have built aftermarket shells for the iphone 4 and 4s's resembling the next generation phone. It is almost humorous. I hear you on design leaks, but every last detail? Leaves nothing open to excitement and wonder. I truly believe apple dropped the ball on keep us at least somewhat guessing.

But you can't blame Apple for that. We have heard nothing regarding camera, CPU, ram, storage sizes, etc...
 

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I hear your argument, I just don't like how apple portrays themselves to be all about secrecy, and we basically know every last minute detail of the phone before it's official announcement .. so much so that they have built aftermarket shells for the iphone 4 and 4s's resembling the next generation phone. It is almost humorous. I hear you on design leaks, but every last detail? Leaves nothing open to excitement and wonder. I truly believe apple dropped the ball on keep us at least somewhat guessing.

What's humorous is that you're blaming Apple for this...do you understand that the Chinese companies were building iPhone cases last year before the 4S was announced that were so far off from the actual design that it's laughable?

Every last detail? The only thing you have right now is a bunch of "potential" details. Last year the new iPhone that was coming was TOTALLY different than what was "leaked", as it turned out, it was the same as the iPhone 4 pretty much, but what was leaked was all over the map.

Apple doesn't portray themselves anyway that they can't back up.
 

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What's humorous is that you're blaming Apple for this...do you understand that the Chinese companies were building iPhone cases last year before the 4S was announced that were so far off from the actual design that it's laughable?

Every last detail? The only thing you have right now is a bunch of "potential" details. Last year the new iPhone that was coming was TOTALLY different than what was "leaked", as it turned out, it was the same as the iPhone 4 pretty much, but what was leaked was all over the map.

Apple doesn't portray themselves anyway that they can't back up.

Ok, I want to address a couple of the points you raised.

First, I hold Apple to a very high standard, as I should with them being pretty much on top of the world right now. As such, I hold them ultimately responsible for the secrecy of 'yet to be released' products, even though some of the stuff might be out of their direct control. I am held accountable for many things on a day to day basis in my profession that I might not be directly responsible for if they get messed up ... that is what comes with being in a leadership position, as Apple is. If they weren't the one's ultimately responsible, then it wouldn't be up to them to take action on those leaking the parts ... and we all know that Apple is probably taking some sort of action behind the scenes. I don't care how much of a highly anticipated product it is and how many suppliers/manufactures have hands on it, Apple needs to find some way to control the leaks since they will directly impact the reputation of their security efforts, the perception of control over their suppliers/manufactures and possibly the demand for their product (even though people will still buy in high numbers for the time being). Regardless, that is not the point.

Next, I am sure you can admit the consistency in leaks for last year's phone is no where near as close to this year. It is a completely different situation. The leaks are overwhelmingly conclusive and consistent this year and I would bet any amount of money that the actual released product is 99% consistent with what we have seen. If Apple pulls a Houdini act on this release, that would be one of the biggest surprises I have witnessed in product release history!

When I say every last detail, I pretty much mean every last detail (of the exterior at least). Although the insides are extremely important, a lot of the masses out there are focused on form factor ... that is because we have come to expect the internals to be competitive with everyone else. That is why people are paying so much attention to these leaks even though very few speak to the internals of the phone. What external design factor can you even possibly say wavered between all the leaks? I have pretty much seen every single one and they are all the same! How can any logical person rationalize that it is not extremely likely that this is the next design?

Last point, as it relates to the form factor of the next generation iphone, I really don't think Apple can "back up" their efforts on secrecy at this point. It has obviously been compromised, and it makes it seem even worse since they made a public statement on doubling down on secrecy.
 

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It's comical how serious you're taking this...as well as how personal you're taking it. We all hold Apple to a high standard, what does random leaked information have to do with the standard at which they perform? Nothing...that's what.
 

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It's comical how serious you're taking this...as well as how personal you're taking it. We all hold Apple to a high standard, what does random leaked information have to do with the standard at which they perform? Nothing...that's what.

While I am not taking any of this personally, I do take it serious after all of the hours of research I put into it. Plus it is fun for me to theorize on it. Let me clarify, I am holding Apple's security efforts and ability to execute on their spoken initiatives to a high standard, among other things.
 

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Ok, I want to address a couple of the points you raised.

First, I hold Apple to a very high standard, as I should with them being pretty much on top of the world right now. As such, I hold them ultimately responsible for the secrecy of 'yet to be released' products, even though some of the stuff might be out of their direct control. I am held accountable for many things on a day to day basis in my profession that I might not be directly responsible for if they get messed up ... that is what comes with being in a leadership position, as Apple is. If they weren't the one's ultimately responsible, then it wouldn't be up to them to take action on those leaking the parts ... and we all know that Apple is probably taking some sort of action behind the scenes. I don't care how much of a highly anticipated product it is and how many suppliers/manufactures have hands on it, Apple needs to find some way to control the leaks since they will directly impact the reputation of their security efforts, the perception of control over their suppliers/manufactures and possibly the demand for their product (even though people will still buy in high numbers for the time being). Regardless, that is not the point.

Next, I am sure you can admit the consistency in leaks for last year's phone is no where near as close to this year. It is a completely different situation. The leaks are overwhelmingly conclusive and consistent this year and I would bet any amount of money that the actual released product is 99% consistent with what we have seen. If Apple pulls a Houdini act on this release, that would be one of the biggest surprises I have witnessed in product release history!

When I say every last detail, I pretty much mean every last detail (of the exterior at least). Although the insides are extremely important, a lot of the masses out there are focused on form factor ... that is because we have come to expect the internals to be competitive with everyone else. That is why people are paying so much attention to these leaks even though very few speak to the internals of the phone. What external design factor can you even possibly say wavered between all the leaks? I have pretty much seen every single one and they are all the same! How can any logical person rationalize that it is not extremely likely that this is the next design?

Last point, as it relates to the form factor of the next generation iphone, I really don't think Apple can "back up" their efforts on secrecy at this point. It has obviously been compromised, and it makes it seem even worse since they made a public statement on doubling down on secrecy.

Sure dude. Do leave down your address so that we can laugh at you in your face when the iPhone5 comes out to be entirely different.
Oh you wana bet? Sure.... I'll bet a white piece of paper for your $5000.
Let the games begin. 6 days.
Oh and. You wana blame apple for them not saying anything about the leaks in China? LOL.
The stupidity is high with this one.
 

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Sure dude. Do leave down your address so that we can laugh at you in your face when the iPhone5 comes out to be entirely different.
Oh you wana bet? Sure.... I'll bet a white piece of paper for your $5000.
Let the games begin. 6 days.
Oh and. You wana blame apple for them not saying anything about the leaks in China? LOL.
The stupidity is high with this one.

I will gladly come back to this post and admit I was terribly wrong if that be the case next wednesday ... but I highly doubt that. I don't know why everyone is hating as I think I am bringing up good discussion points about how this pre-release period was handled. If you read, most articles on iphone blogs recently are discussing similar topics, so I don't think that I am that off base. I follow all releases pretty closely and this is the first one that this many consistent solid details are out prior to the date. All I am doing is expressing my frustration about how almost certain it is about the next iphone design. It is almost like knowing exactly what you are going to get for xmas before the big day. I would rather maybe have a slight idea but not know for sure. Don't think that is the case here.
 
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Absolute secrecy can be attained. There is no doubt about it, but we are living in the information age and Information leaks are used to garner favors, repay debts and to help create a frenzy. We see it all the time in politics and in regard to technology. The things that absolutely must be kept secret are kept secret. As stated in another thread, the alleged leaked photos of the new iPhone are basically cosmetic. We don't know, or at least I don't know, about its CPU, camera, RAM, etcetera and we probably won't know until it is officially introduced. Now, being that so many techie types want a redesign of the iPhone with every release, is it possible that one of the primary goals of the leaks is to prepare people for the new device while simultaneously minimizing the disappointment of not having a redesign in advance of its release? Anyway, that's my two cents. ;)
 
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